Yeah, I was just kidding, anyway. I know you are too and obviously everything is relative. It's funny how people who mostly buy $25-30 coolers consider the TRUE/Ven-X/Megahalems price bracket a rip-off, while a lot of TRUE/Mega buyers scoff at the price of a Silver Arrow/NH-D14. I'm not against paying more to drop a few ore degrees, and even I wonder how some users spend enough money on cooling to build another PC with.
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Zaraki_Kenpachi
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Zaraki_Kenpachi said:
I'm guessing no one knows the answer to this?
Ryoma-Echizen
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ChoklitReign said:
AMD HD6850 is coming next week(launch on the 22). Fastrer than GTX460, same price. If you want the pc now just buy a mobo with IGP (880G/890GX for the high end).
And the middle range top dog:
Ryoma-Echizen said:AMD HD6850 is coming next week(launch on the 22). Fastrer than GTX460, same price. If you want the pc now just buy a mobo with IGP (880G/890GX for the high end).
And the middle range top dog:
ATI FTW. still only requires 2x6pin PCI-E power, that means it's very power efficient, well compared to the 480.
Zaraki_Kenpachi said:I'm guessing no one knows the answer to this?
Streaming or playing from a file?
I don't really know the answer, but I am going to guess you could definitely manage 720p from a file, but you will probably have difficulty with 1080p from a file or bluray disc (I remember when blu ray first came out the minimum requirement tossed around was 2ghz dual core. I can't remember what the video card requirements were though, but that will also probably hurt you.)
As for streaming, I don't know. Streaming can get pretty processor intensive. Just to give you an idea, my t8300 2.4 Ghz laptop with a nvidia quadro nvs 140m, when streaming 480p content from hulu, gets to 80-85% processor load consistently. That probably means your processor wouldn't be able to handle it. Of course, it also depends on where you are streaming from. Netflix maxes out int he 40% range.
Finished the build tonight. Haven't gotten it moved onto the desk yet, have to move the iMac out before I can do that. Hardware wise, everything was a piece of cake, I honestly think it might be quieter than my iMac. Unfortunately, Windows 7 activation was a total pain. I have Home Premium Upgrade since I own XP, but obviously didn't install XP on my new SSD first, and it refused to activate since it was a clean install. First call to MS, got disconnected, second call to MS got transferred to some woman who refused to acknowledge I was even on the phone.
Me: "Hello? Are you still there?"
[30 seconds pass]
Her: "Yes, I am still here, can you [incomprehensible mumble]
Me: "Could you repeat that?"
[30 seconds pass] (I can hear her breathing in the background)
Me: "Hello?"
[20 seconds] (I can still hear her breathing)
Me: "Are you there?"
[10 seconds] (still breathing)
Her: "I am here."
Me: [Hung up the phone]
Third call went more smoothly after I berated the customer support guy about the first two calls. Not looking forward to having to go through it again if I ever need to reinstall the OS - would probably just do the upgrade over the clean install trick rather than put up with that, I'm paranoid that won't result in as clean an install though, and is just unnecessary wear on the SSD.
Anyway, pics:
Behind the motherboard tray isn't too terrible.
Pretty clean for not sleeving anything. We'll have to see if I throw another GTX460 in there for SLI, not sure I'll need it since I ended up going with a 1920x1200 monitor.
It's Alive!!!!
Me: "Hello? Are you still there?"
[30 seconds pass]
Her: "Yes, I am still here, can you [incomprehensible mumble]
Me: "Could you repeat that?"
[30 seconds pass] (I can hear her breathing in the background)
Me: "Hello?"
[20 seconds] (I can still hear her breathing)
Me: "Are you there?"
[10 seconds] (still breathing)
Her: "I am here."
Me: [Hung up the phone]
Third call went more smoothly after I berated the customer support guy about the first two calls. Not looking forward to having to go through it again if I ever need to reinstall the OS - would probably just do the upgrade over the clean install trick rather than put up with that, I'm paranoid that won't result in as clean an install though, and is just unnecessary wear on the SSD.
Anyway, pics:
Behind the motherboard tray isn't too terrible.
Pretty clean for not sleeving anything. We'll have to see if I throw another GTX460 in there for SLI, not sure I'll need it since I ended up going with a 1920x1200 monitor.
It's Alive!!!!
TouchMyBox
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AkIRA_22 said:
The 6870 is not competing with the 480, as AMD was stupid enough to "pull an nvidia" and rename shit in a misleading way.
Need a bit of help with ram. I want to buy some more. My CPU is still okay, and my 8800 is still good. But the 2 gigs of ram has been rough, particularly with newer titles and steam. I currently have two 1gigs. Basically, I want to know what I need to upgrade it to at least 4 gig. Could I just buy 2 more 1gigs? Would 1 2 gig work? Do they have to be compatible with the other 2 or does it just stack em? I may just upgrade it two 6 gigs, since I have two extra slots still. How do I have to arrange them also. Mine has 4 slots for ram, but in sets of 2.
krypt0nian
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Asking here too now that I found the right thread -
What's the best video card for playing WoW that's about $100? I've noticed a giant drop in frames after the patch even with settings that used to be at High let to Good or Fair.
Hell I'm upgrading from a NVIDIA GeForce 9600 so anything is a giant leap. :lol
It is time.
What's the best video card for playing WoW that's about $100? I've noticed a giant drop in frames after the patch even with settings that used to be at High let to Good or Fair.
Hell I'm upgrading from a NVIDIA GeForce 9600 so anything is a giant leap. :lol
It is time.
Dr. Acid Avatar
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shintoki said:
Do you use a 64bit OS? I forget what the maximum amount of ram a 32bit OS can have but I know it's less than 4 gigs.
half a moon
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How good is it?·feist· said:Sure, the Scythe Mugen 2, for instance.
Guess it's better than a non-working one
Angelus Errare
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teiresias said:Behind the motherboard tray isn't too terrible.
What case is that?
Angelus Errare said:
Silverstone Fortress 2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...e=silverstone_fortress-_-11-163-162-_-Product
Congrats on finishing the build, teiresias.
That's just one random graph I pulled from a quick search. Results can vary from 1-3c of the top coolers, to a considerable margin with larger overclocks (with the Mugen 2/SCMG-2100 falling short, that is).
Another option would be the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ which has an MSRP of $29.99, and can be found on sale at Microcenter for $20-25 from time to time.
How To Mount The CM Hyper 212+ To 939/754 Sockets
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=339038
Again, these are just two options. Even with an older socket, you can still find others.
It's one of the best mid-range coolers on the market, particularly when you take price/performance into account. You can regularly find the latest revision model for $38-45 at Newegg/Microcenter. IIRC, Amazon has the highest price.half a moon said:How good is it?
Guess it's better than a non-working one
That's just one random graph I pulled from a quick search. Results can vary from 1-3c of the top coolers, to a considerable margin with larger overclocks (with the Mugen 2/SCMG-2100 falling short, that is).
Another option would be the Cooler Master Hyper 212+ which has an MSRP of $29.99, and can be found on sale at Microcenter for $20-25 from time to time.
How To Mount The CM Hyper 212+ To 939/754 Sockets
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=339038
Again, these are just two options. Even with an older socket, you can still find others.
Jin34 said:
Not quite, from everything I'm catching everywhere from [H]ardOcp to the slides and the leaked benchmarks the 6870 launching next week will perform and bench moderately higher than the 5850's but lower than the 5870. Right in the middle of those two sort of. Yet its looking like it will cost around 220 - 260 which is at its peak, the cost of a current 5850. Since I'm placing my order with newegg for all of my parts on the 29th its a no brainer. A little more performance for the same price.
Honestly this looks great IMO, for those building soon intending on buying a 5850 or a 5770. They can now spend about the same and get a little more performance. But for anyone who already HAS a 5850, 5770 or one of the even higher cards like the 5870's or higher, this first set of cards hard launching next week should be of no interest, because they would either be downgrades or side grades not worth the cash.
Angelus Errare
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teiresias said:
So orderd!
Servizio
I don't really need a tag, but I figured I'd get one to make people jealous. Is it working?
krypt0nian said:
Tom's hardware says: Radeon HD 4850 512 MB
The article also mentions cards at 125$ and 145$
teiresias said:
Can you post a pic of what it looks like with all the sides on? The 90 degree rotation intrigues me, i'm guessing there's no way to hide all the cables on top though. Looks great for cooling.
Edit: Looking at other pics is it actually designed like that or did you just lay it on it's side? If so just ignore my pic request
. I want to see what can be done about wiring on one of those 90 degree cases.Edit 2: On second look yes it does seem like it's supposed to be like that, so hard to see detail on the newegg pictures with an all black case. So i'm guessing there's a plastic grill cover on top that you hide the wires behind that exits out the side or something.
I'm not sure what's so great about new AMD cards. At first, when they were supposed to replece 57XX series, they looked very promising. But than they turned out to be 68XX cards not 67XX as was expected and they show no improvement over current top ATI/AMD single gpu cards (5870). From what I read they are going to be smaller and more efficient, thus probably cheaper to produce than 58XX cards, so there is a chance that they will be cheaper but its up to AMD how to price them. I also don't see AMD beating GTX480 anytime soon, unless they will (as Jin34 suggested) introduce single gpu 69XX cards.
Just wondering if I could get some advice, I have a 2009 Macbook pro, 2.26ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GM Ram and GeForce 9400M w/ Win 7 .
I am thinking of getting the new Fallout to play on it instead of Xbox so I can use mods but am wondering if it will run well at all.
I don't need to be maxed out or anything, just want it to look decent and have a nice frame-rate.
I am thinking of getting the new Fallout to play on it instead of Xbox so I can use mods but am wondering if it will run well at all.
I don't need to be maxed out or anything, just want it to look decent and have a nice frame-rate.
TouchMyBox
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Now apparently nvidia is going to be releasing the GTX 580 in december. Bringing along GDDR5 paired with a 512bit memory interface. Just think of the super-sampling you could do on that baby.
I'M SO CONFLICTED. :lol
Is that the model with the 9400M integrated graphics with the 9600M switchable discrete graphics? (if it's 15inch or higher, it should be, if it's 13 inch you're stuck with integrated)
I'M SO CONFLICTED. :lol
HBP said:
Is that the model with the 9400M integrated graphics with the 9600M switchable discrete graphics? (if it's 15inch or higher, it should be, if it's 13 inch you're stuck with integrated)
BotoxAgent
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TouchMyBox said:
man, I hope this new card is more effecient, cooler, and not as power hungry.
kamil said:
Yes the cards we are talking about are the first batch, they aren't intended to go vs the 480. They are the low to mid end new cards, the next level of cards launch in Nov, and those will supposedly be the 5900 level equivalents, then in Dec the new higher end AMD cards launch that will surpass all their current cards on the market.
ChoklitReign
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You have the bare minimum requirements. Buy it on 360.HBP said:
cartoon_soldier
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What programs should I run to check temps and for any errors like the memory one?
Thanks
Thanks
Puncture said:
They are just going to rebadge the 5700 series it seems. the 6800 series is what should be the 6700 series because the x800 denotes their most powerful single chip cards but now they will make a full x900 suffix line (6900). The 6900 are the codename Cayman cards. Those are the highest end single chip card with one dual gpu card a little later probably. That's why I say the 6800 series is really the 5700 series replacement, because it is not their most powerful cards, but their "price/performance" cards.
http://semiaccurate.com/2010/10/15/radeon-hd-6800-speculations-rumours-and-leaks/
Here's some more info on the next AMD cards, launch is supposed to be next week, but by launch I'm sure they mean reveal and press samples. Hopefully they don't NDA the hell out of it.
While the performance bump won't be that great, it's not a rebadge.Jin34 said:
It's more power efficient and with a different architecture (on the same 40nm process). That's why you see the SP counts are all out of whack.
I still don't like it since cards are not getting faster fast enough :[
Hey guys! I've been following this thread for awhile. I was about to buy some parts for my machine (including a GPU). Should I wait for the 6000 series before I purchase a CPU? I'm budget minded, so I'm hoping that the 6000 series will force the prices of the other cards to drop.
EDIT: I meant GPU.
EDIT: I meant GPU.
Ryoma-Echizen
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·feist· said:
HD6850 (Barts Pro) will cost less than $200. Rumors say that AMD is using new name tactics (because of Fusion).
High End monogpu will be HD6950/6970(Cayman Pro/XT), dual gpu --> 6990(Antilles).
krypt0nian
HD5750.
kamil
Cayman XT (6970, the card is a fact, the name still no) should easily perform 30%+ than GTX480. Even that card gets beaten like there's no tomorrow by HD5970, the top dog belongs to AMD, the inefficient as hell belongs to nvidia.
In power consumption:
HD5970 consumes less than GTX480 (real scenario).
Probably the single gpu 6970 will be faster than the dual gpu HD5970 in DX11 tesselation, but not in other scenarios(but very close). Antilles will take care of that by Christmas.
TouchMyBox said:
That's just fake. The original "news" is from march 2010. Some sites doing the vaporware move.
Anyone know that when you have GDDR5 (wich can scale up to 7000Mhz for now) 512bit is the most idiotic and worthless move a company can do. Fermi is not a small chip, even with a "miserable" 384bit or the 256bit GT104, so 512bit with wasted bandwith, more die area, more power consumption and higher costs reminds me of some "desperate FUD" from someone.
As mentioned in xtremesystems the only thing nvidia has to compete is a fully enabled GT104 (256bit). It's a shame that Nvidia gpu's has a pathetic memory controller and can't handle 4000Mhz+ GDDR5.
*Cayman is using 6000Mhz GDDR5, and some rumor points 7000Mhz GDDR5 downclocked to 6400Mhz.
Ryoma-Echizen
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"Leaked" pre-order sites put HD6850 for 170-180euro.
Rodney McKay
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I'm going to be upgrading the heatsink in my PC tomorrow.
The heatsink appears to have some thermal grease on it, but I bought a little tube of thermal compound (arctic silver 5).
Should I wipe off the pre-applied compound and just use the arctic silver or should I leave it on and just add a little bit of the arctic silver?
The heatsink appears to have some thermal grease on it, but I bought a little tube of thermal compound (arctic silver 5).
Should I wipe off the pre-applied compound and just use the arctic silver or should I leave it on and just add a little bit of the arctic silver?
I think most of us have been aware of the changing speculation surrounding the 67xx/68xx/69xx. What I was asking was what you were basing your comments on since they're being presented as fact, and what lead you to recommend a card that's expected to land at $200 or so, in place of one that can be found for ~$140 after rebate.Ryoma-Echizen said:
Do the highlighted portions strike you as odd in anyway?
Most rumors are from asian forums, but they generally turn out to be correct.
I'm sure there will be a leaked benchmark before launch and NDA is up, but I'll reserve my opinions on the card until pricing and I read reviews from:
Guru3D (woo 20 pages)
Anandtech (woo 20 pages)
TechReport
[H]
TechPowerUp
and probably another 2 websites.
I'm sure there will be a leaked benchmark before launch and NDA is up, but I'll reserve my opinions on the card until pricing and I read reviews from:
Guru3D (woo 20 pages)
Anandtech (woo 20 pages)
TechReport
[H]
TechPowerUp
and probably another 2 websites.
Rodney McKay
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Hazaro said:
Thank you!
IrishNinja
Member
ok GAF, looking to pull the trigger on this setup soon, again: i5-760, GigaByte GA-H55N-USB3, 4GB RAM, etc, few last questions before my next paycheck:
1) the case is an SG07, and the reason im opting for this site is that they do some kind of custom water cooling. even then, though, im worried as reviews of this case show 80-90c temps with the same chip (overclocked, as i intend) and a 5870, so im looking at a GTX 460 1GB, as i'm told that runs cooler. however, is it a big difference? the ATI 5830 is the same price, and the 5850 is about $90 more there, im hoping i'm not trading off too much performance with the GTX?
ive contacted their site to ask what kind've tests they run and what temps they get with such setups etc, really hoping i can get the best setup & OC this later while keeping it stable.
2) their HDD selection/prices kinda sucks, so im thinking ill order the 250GB drive and swap it out into my PS3 (should fit at these dimensions, no? Height 0.374 Inches
Length 3.94 Inches
Width 2.75 Inches
Weight 0.26 Pounds), and tossing a newegg 1TB in. any flaws in this idea? case size says it allows for 1 full sized HDD.
1) the case is an SG07, and the reason im opting for this site is that they do some kind of custom water cooling. even then, though, im worried as reviews of this case show 80-90c temps with the same chip (overclocked, as i intend) and a 5870, so im looking at a GTX 460 1GB, as i'm told that runs cooler. however, is it a big difference? the ATI 5830 is the same price, and the 5850 is about $90 more there, im hoping i'm not trading off too much performance with the GTX?
ive contacted their site to ask what kind've tests they run and what temps they get with such setups etc, really hoping i can get the best setup & OC this later while keeping it stable.
2) their HDD selection/prices kinda sucks, so im thinking ill order the 250GB drive and swap it out into my PS3 (should fit at these dimensions, no? Height 0.374 Inches
Length 3.94 Inches
Width 2.75 Inches
Weight 0.26 Pounds), and tossing a newegg 1TB in. any flaws in this idea? case size says it allows for 1 full sized HDD.
Shambles said:Can you post a pic of what it looks like with all the sides on? The 90 degree rotation intrigues me, i'm guessing there's no way to hide all the cables on top though. Looks great for cooling.
Edit: Looking at other pics is it actually designed like that or did you just lay it on it's side? If so just ignore my pic request
Edit 2: On second look yes it does seem like it's supposed to be like that, so hard to see detail on the newegg pictures with an all black case. So i'm guessing there's a plastic grill cover on top that you hide the wires behind that exits out the side or something.
Yes, it's designed so that the motherboard is rotated 90degrees from the traditional ATX case setup. You're right, there is a grill that goes on the top and then the cables exit out of a hole in the case in the back rear.
HardOCP has a thread in their forum dedicated to the case. There are better pics in there from people with far more impressive and cool looking installs than I will ever manage.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1429251
There's also a couple of good video reviews and overview of the case on YouTube if you do a search on there.