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Ryoma-Echizen
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Retail Box
HD6850 with more clocks (725 --> 775Mhz)
1120SP
125w TDP (even less than HD5850, way less than 460 again)
HD6870
1280SP
Seems to me that AMD is leaving no mercy to the poor 460. :lol
Current GPU's are dead. Simple as that. Why buy an obsolete product?
HD6850 with more clocks (725 --> 775Mhz)
1120SP
125w TDP (even less than HD5850, way less than 460 again)
HD6870
1280SP
Seems to me that AMD is leaving no mercy to the poor 460. :lol
Current GPU's are dead. Simple as that. Why buy an obsolete product?
coopolon said:
Just looking at newegg.com a 1GB 460 can be had for 190$. Not that it's a much better deal but a 6850 aka 5850 at 200$ is just more of same of what we have out there.
As a folder the 460 is a much better deal
Ryoma-Echizen said:
Because now instead of it being a much better value to buy a GPU from one generation ago, you can get a lot more value from GPUs from two generations ago. :lol
evil solrac v3.0
Member
yeah but Nhancer..... 
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Chances of Nvidia price slashes?
IrishNinja
Member
Hazaro said:
wait, so you're saying that 250 gig wont fit the ps3? fuck, ill have to find some other use for it, then...
you're a champ for the GPU info. god, i hope the water cooling setup is good enough to keep it frosty in there, there's not a lotta room and i really want this thing to last. ive got a lot of reading left to do before overclocking the chip, so if anyone has any suggestions past thermal paste, ventilation (SG07 says its top fan uses positive pressure), and watching speedfan for keeping low temperatures for a gamebox, lemme know! you guys are the best, i'm never paying for XBL gold again :lol
there's no escaping this phenomenon. You buy new top of the line gpus and very soon there will be something "better" out there. This wont necessarily make a big impact on your gaming enjoyment per se, so just enjoy what you've bought and accept that moores law is here to stay xD.
Smokey said:
The 6850 is what you would expect the 6750 to be and the 6870 is what you would expect the 6770 to be. Everything has shifted numbers. Later they will release the 6950 and 6970 which would be the 5850 and 5870 equivalent to this generation of cards.
The 6850 will be slightly slower than the 5850 and the 6870 will be slightly slower than the 5870. Basically it's a whole lot of to do about nothing. Just think of it that the 5850/5870 just got price cuts and a new name.
darkpaladinmfc
Member
Are the 69xx cards meant to hit before the end of the year?
Well, I guess the new Nvidia GTX 580 with 2GB of GDDR5, a 512 bit memory interface, 512 CUDA cores and 128 TMUs is the one for youevil solrac v3.0 said:yeah but Nhancer.....
Crazy rumor time: http://www.techpowerup.com/132832/NVIDIA-to-Counter-Radeon-HD-6970-Cayman-with-GeForce-GTX-580.html
fizzelopeguss said:
768MB: Is $140, was $200Cdammen said:So GTX460 price cuts incoming? Fuck, I bought mine a couple of weeks ago. Ah well, Nvidias card might still be quieter and less power hungry than the 6870. Please say it is
1GB: Is $200, was $230
They've been cut quite a lot. The 6850 looks like a good card at the appropriate price (we will see!)
I'd just like to see some more aggressive pricing from both companies. There will probably be a GTX 460+ with a bit more power released in a month I'm guessing.
Shambles said:
Can you link to a $190 GTX460 1gb? Cause I just searched newegg and couldn't find any less than $220 except out of stock open box items. I was under the impression the 1 gb 460's are MORE expensive these days than they were at launch, regularly going for $240-260.
Obviously going from 460 to 6850, if these specs are correct, would be dumb. But for someone building a new system, a $200 6850 looks to be a better deal than a $220 460, or quite possibly a $190 460 even if you are right.
Of course, I'm not going to try to defend ATI drivers. They're awful. Truly and completely awful. I personally will not be buying another ATI card until they get their act together, but at the same time I like there being another well performing card being released at $200 if for no other reason that price wars.
Edit: My search.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...0+1+gb&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20&Page=1
Ryoma-Echizen
Member
teiresias said:
AMD drivers are good these days, Nvidia ones also. So your "always" is more or less a myth.
Remember some 2010 nvidia driver that killed G80 cards? Or several ones that have
stability issues?
Weenerz
Try the card and then talk about drivers, seems like you love to stay in the past.
Cdammen
They can't cut prices on 460, is almost a non-profitable card with current prices, another price-cut a they'll loose money on each card and OEM's profit will plummet. Nvidia's OEM are not in their glory days with Fermi. They sell a bigger chip than Cypress (HD5800) for the price of AMD leftover gpu, the HD5830. Guess who is in desperate state.
Even the 460 is a inefficient chip:
GTX460 --> 165w 360mm^2
HD6870 --> 155-160w 230mm^2
HD5850 --> 150w 336mm^
HD6850 --> 125w 336mm^2
A "quiet" card depends on the cooling options.
darkpaladinmfc
6950/6970 comes in november, dual gpu Antilles in December.
DennisK4
That's not even a rumor, just made-up theories from someone that want nvidia to at least compete. I repeat, with GDDR5, 512bit is the most idiotic option.
The only thing nvidia could have is a fully enabled GT104 (and that's with 256bit). With 512bit you get a gigantic gpu, expensive as hell, dwarfed yields. In resume, the end of Nvidia.
coopolon
What was your last AMD gpu? Nvidia can make even worse drivers. In these days the only fact is:
-When you have a good driver only update after knowing that the other drivers worth the update. Nobody said that you need to update to every new version that get released.
I am currently on a 4850. And despite it being a known problem for many years, I still can't really play games over HDMI on my 1080p television because it goes crazy with scaling and resolution (ie keeps trying to do 1080p24, etc.) So instead I have to have it set up to mirror mode, where one is hdmi to get the audio, and the other is VGA to be able to actually play games. Fun times...
At least they fixed the bug where every time the resolution changed it forgot your scaling preferences...
Edit: To be clear, Nvidia has released some pretty awful drivers too. But at least in my experience, Nvidia actually fixes their drivers (a very similar problem occured with nvidia drivers as well, and they fixed relatively quickly.) AMD on the other hand, they just pretend it doesn't exist.
Hazaro are you putting out an update today on the $600 - 800 build range?
Additionally would it be a good time to buy with Bulldozer right around the corner? I haven't purchased or followed PCs for awhile now, and I'm not sure if I should sit on my money and wait or just jump in and buy something.
Additionally would it be a good time to buy with Bulldozer right around the corner? I haven't purchased or followed PCs for awhile now, and I'm not sure if I should sit on my money and wait or just jump in and buy something.
teiresias said:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showforum=213
Yes, people never have problems with Nvidia drivers......
In fucking Dreamland anyway.
Yours, a 460GTX owner.
Lasthope106
Member
Puncture said:
Well, the 460 has physix and CUDA. Even if it's just a marketing ploy some people don't want to be missing out on features a game supports. I know I don't.
I'm waiting for the 460 to hit the $150 range, but reading about the 6850, I'm tempted to go AMD again.
Convince oh mighty pcGAF.
Outdoor Miner
Member
Why is everyone surprised by this? When I bought my GTX460 a few weeks back I knew it wouldn't be the price/performance leader once the new AMD cards were out.
I think AMD would be in HUGE fucking trouble for the upcoming generation of cards if the 68xx series didn't at least top the 460. Jesus :lol
I think AMD would be in HUGE fucking trouble for the upcoming generation of cards if the 68xx series didn't at least top the 460. Jesus :lol
Nolimit_SS
Banned
Anyone? Afraid my room will catch on fire lolNolimit_SS said:
coopolon said:
That first ECS is 190$ after MIR, you have to look at the price in the cart though. I actually haven't had many problems with the ATI drivers. It would be nice if their CCC tools were as good as nVidia's toolset but I haven't noticed any problems on my 4870 as far as game performance goes. I'm at the point where I'm starting to think about upgrading and handing the 4870 down the woman to replace her X1550 but the price/performance crown is still the old GTS 250/4870's either in single or multiple GPU setups. The 6800 series doesn't look to improve this. Although somce the 768 460 has come down to 145$ it's value has become just as impressive too.
Here's the 140$ Galaxy GTX 460. All these prices of course are after MIR (Boo). Even still the price drops on both models of the 460 since release has been pretty remarkable.
Puncture said:
If they end up being pretty damn close in performance the 460 is still the much better choice for me as ATI GPUs aren't even worth the electricity they use for folding at home. Of course someone with 3 monitors of course would be silly to take the 460 over the 6850. At this point though there's not much left to talk about until we see benchmarks. I will miss ATI's naming schemes being consistant though
They were a beacon of light during the years of nVidia's pathetic rebadging.Shambles said:I will miss ATI's naming schemes being consistant though
Same. It's such a stupid thing, but I liked always knowing where things stood for the AMD lines based on the number. I always have to look it up for nividia nowadays. 460 and 465 are even more confusing!
Hey guys, Im tired of playing games on my laptop and am interested in building a small pc to hook up to my TV.
What Im looking for:
-Im interested in having a small PC, so as small case as possible. I looked at the mATX cases but have no idea where to start.
-i3/i5 or the new AMD proc? Whichever is cheaper lol.
-A video card to play newer games on high at a resolution on 1360x768.
-Dont need a SSD.
-Internal Wireless Internet card possible?
Budget:
$500 not including windows, is this possible? I have a microcenter near me and Im willing to order online.
What Im looking for:
-Im interested in having a small PC, so as small case as possible. I looked at the mATX cases but have no idea where to start.
-i3/i5 or the new AMD proc? Whichever is cheaper lol.
-A video card to play newer games on high at a resolution on 1360x768.
-Dont need a SSD.
-Internal Wireless Internet card possible?
Budget:
$500 not including windows, is this possible? I have a microcenter near me and Im willing to order online.
Alas, I have some super important stuffs to do.Godslay said:
If I do update it'll probably be late on Sunday, or even Monday.
Possible. You'd be looking at something like this layout: http://i36.tinypic.com/33ubz2q.jpgasdad123 said:
I'll try to get another $500-600 build up as those items probably aren't on sale anymore.
asdad123 said:
That case alone is 210$. I was also going to suggest the Athlon II 630/635/640. The 4870 is a great choice for that price, if possible though you could step it up to a 140$ GTX 460 if you can trim the rest of the components down. You don't happen to have an old case or PSU laying around eh?
Shambles said:
Nah I dont, but Im just looking at ideas. Like I said, I could wait til december to build it (want something for winterbreak) so maybe by then Id be able to spend like $750.
Any links for cases like that and good PSUs for them?
How about this case?
Or this? A review says a 8800GTX fits in it. Is a 4870 or 460 bigger than that card?
Nolimit_SS
Banned
Maybe, but I'd rather test some stuff myself if it's easy fix :|Clevinger said:
Any thoughts about 2nd part about adding new stuff?
Nolimit_SS said:
First thing is check your mounting of your power supply, then make sure you don't have any extra standoffs behind the motherboard that could be touching the back of the motherboard and shorting something to the case.
After those somewhat obvious things it gets a bit more obscure, such as checking the wiring from the PSU to make sure you don't have any broken insulators on the wires that could be contacting the case (or anything else). At least it seems like your not shorting the case to wall AC power, because I'm not sure you'd be around to type the post if you'd touched the case and it was shorted to that.
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Concerning the AMD stuff, does anyone want to gather the numbers that I'm too lazy to look up. I'm wondering what the benchmarks look like for one of the new AMD cards versus an SLI configuration of a GTX 460 or even a Crossfire of the comparable, older generation AMD cards. Since both camps are supporting multi-gpu setups now (one better than the other for the most part), if someone is able to actually do it and not mind the power needs it requires, then that may be more economical for a bigger performance boost than buying a new single card - particularly when you factor in the possibility of the older gen cards getting a price drop when the newer ones come out. I have no idea what the benchmark numbers say in regards to that though.
After a two weeks of building, sending back faulty components and last minute trips to Frys my computer is finally up and running.
i5-760
EVGA P55 LE
EVGA 460GTX 1GB SC
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB
Corsair 750w PSU
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
It's damn amazing seeing BFBC2 running at 60 FPS with all settings maxed out and not a single hitch.
I am having a little problem someone in here might be able to help me... what's the best way to apply thermal paste to the 212? Should it be on the CPU? The Heatsink? My temps are not all that great at the moment. Getting idle temp of 30 and under heavy load around 50. That does not seem right based on all the reviews I've read.
i5-760
EVGA P55 LE
EVGA 460GTX 1GB SC
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB
Corsair 750w PSU
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
It's damn amazing seeing BFBC2 running at 60 FPS with all settings maxed out and not a single hitch.
I am having a little problem someone in here might be able to help me... what's the best way to apply thermal paste to the 212? Should it be on the CPU? The Heatsink? My temps are not all that great at the moment. Getting idle temp of 30 and under heavy load around 50. That does not seem right based on all the reviews I've read.
Okay, so based on the input I received a few days ago, I tried to sort of adapt the Econobox and Hazaro's recommendations from before and came up with something that seems... decent. But it doesn't strike me as being as good of a value as I might be able to get otherwise.
Here's the Newegg shopping cart: http://imgur.com/l6LVl.png
I'd love it if anybody has any input on how to either make it cheaper without sacrificing too much, or by making it much better while keeping it under $600 with shipping included, I'd really appreciate it.
Here's the Newegg shopping cart: http://imgur.com/l6LVl.png
I'd love it if anybody has any input on how to either make it cheaper without sacrificing too much, or by making it much better while keeping it under $600 with shipping included, I'd really appreciate it.
Nolimit_SS
Banned
teiresias said:
Beatbox said:
Thanks guys, 2 things I've decided. 1) I'm gonna pay a friend that works as tech guy to rearange everything inside and make it clean, pretty and tidy
2) Gonna try to find different cable.
Gonna remove HDDs though, I don't want anyone finding my deep dark secrets :|
And now back to 2nd part of original question,
MB: ASUS P5Q Pro LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
VGA: ASUS EAH4870X2/HTDI/2G Radeon HD 4870 X2 2GB
PSU: COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro1000 RS-A00-EMBA 1000W ATX12V
CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450 Yorkfield 2.66GHz LGA 775
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
Big XIGMATEK heatsink and cooler.
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA x2
If I'm on a budget, is there anything I can do to make this better conifg or am I still good to go for a while until a point where I'll need to change everything?
Ryoma-Echizen
Member
asdad123 said:
Then just buy a cube case (one that looks good to you). Given the smaller size you need an efficiente GPU, so 4870 is out of the equation. HD5750/5770 should suffice.
Varna
Bad Company 2 runs better on six core cpus. X6 clock/clock is faster then a 980X in this game.
IrishNinja
Member
Ryoma-Echizen said:
just wanted to say, ive been at this for the last week or two (with a lotta help from this very thread), i too would love a small cube like that, but was concerned about a) fitting a proper PSU in there and b) cooling, both of which look like a concern with that cube, i could be wrong though.
the SG07 (this link he used is the very one im looking to buy from) is indeed a $210 case, but it brings a custom 600w PSU with it, i think that's the bulk of its price tag, personally.
by all means, if you guys can find a cube case that can handle an i5-760, GTX 460, decent mobo etc put it out there, im down to see other options before pulling the trigger.
brain_stew
Member
Smokey said:
They're really the 6750 and 6770.