toastyToast
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Fuck, gonna have to delay my build until the end of July.
Feels bad man.
Feels bad man.
"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]
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RumblingRosco
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toasty_T said:
On the bright side, components may be a bit cheaper by then!
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Soka said:
That's always a bonus. Rather convenient actually
I just realized that the layout of Gigabyte's lower end mobos (<UD5) have bad PCI slot layouts if you plan to use SLI/CF. Glad I didn't rush off and buy it.
Going to have to go with either an Asrock or an Asus which cost a little bit more than the UD3H that I was planning on getting.
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what am i supposed to do with all these loose ends that i'm not using coming from my new power supply?
i only used like 5 of them.. why are there so many left over?
i only used like 5 of them.. why are there so many left over?
Eliciel
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finished my build yesterday (I build it on my own and if I can do it everyone can do it!; ), will post some pictures later on (now I am at work ^^) I can say only one thing that Scythe mugen 2 rev. b. is a bitch...I needed help and the only person around at that time was my mom. I mean it was funny no doubt but damn is it hard mounting that thing onto the board.
Specs:
Asus p8p67 Pro
3,3 GHZ Core i5 2500k
scythe mugen 2 rev. b.
1gb evga gtx 560ti (FPB) (already got 10 years warranty for free on it, NICE!)
seasonic x660 (I ordered a x560 and "won" the x660 for free, NICE!)
8gb kingston CL9 1333-MHZ (2x4gb)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3
NZXT Phantom + Silentwings 140mm Front
Windows 7 64bit
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Dell Ultrasharp 2311h
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Because I always wanted to play it: Mass Effect
Furmark: 720p 2252 max temp: 62 °C
Furmark: 1080p (will update later on can't remember)
my processor is currently running at about 38-40 °C Idle Temp and I am only running 2 of the 5 case fans (front and back) while surfing through the net or working because it's a lot less noise than running all 5 of them. But all in all I like the noise level a lot.
Only thing I don't understand when I boot my pc is I have to push F1 and "boot it myself" with "boot from Samsung F3". And he tells me that there is a "cpu fan error" although the fan is working. The menu in BIOS says it is spinning at 600 rpm. In windows it says 250rpm. I double checked the I/O of the cooler but it is pluged in just right.
Any ideas?
Specs:
Asus p8p67 Pro
3,3 GHZ Core i5 2500k
scythe mugen 2 rev. b.
1gb evga gtx 560ti (FPB) (already got 10 years warranty for free on it, NICE!)
seasonic x660 (I ordered a x560 and "won" the x660 for free, NICE!)
8gb kingston CL9 1333-MHZ (2x4gb)
1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3
NZXT Phantom + Silentwings 140mm Front
Windows 7 64bit
+
Dell Ultrasharp 2311h
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Because I always wanted to play it: Mass Effect
Furmark: 720p 2252 max temp: 62 °C
Furmark: 1080p (will update later on can't remember)
my processor is currently running at about 38-40 °C Idle Temp and I am only running 2 of the 5 case fans (front and back) while surfing through the net or working because it's a lot less noise than running all 5 of them. But all in all I like the noise level a lot.
Only thing I don't understand when I boot my pc is I have to push F1 and "boot it myself" with "boot from Samsung F3". And he tells me that there is a "cpu fan error" although the fan is working. The menu in BIOS says it is spinning at 600 rpm. In windows it says 250rpm. I double checked the I/O of the cooler but it is pluged in just right.
Any ideas?
voady said:
easiest way for the Mugen 2 install, place it on a table on its back and have someone else hold the board over it while you screw it in
the boot it yourself is because you haven't set the correct boot device, go into Bios -> Advanced -> Boot Order (somewhere on the rightmost tab) and select the harddrives as the first boot devices, dvd second usb third or whatever you like. Then go into HDD priority and select the Samsung F3 to have top priority (assuming you have multiple disks?).
The fan error is because at idle the fan doesn't spin much, at the tab with the temperatures (PC Health I believe) you can set some parameters and disable the fan warning on boot
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i'm sorry i was hostile before. i am so happy.
games run in native resolution.. it's a beautiful thing.
games run in native resolution.. it's a beautiful thing.
whoa, all my parts are ready for pickup (even though my Asus P8P67-M PRO wasn't supposed to arrive until july!)... and now i realize i don't even have a decent wireless (gaming) mouse! still have a g9 lying around, but i really can't do wired for this setup...
what are you guys using?
i also can't decide between the logitech solar keyboard (K750) and the illuminated one (K800).
what are you guys using?
i also can't decide between the logitech solar keyboard (K750) and the illuminated one (K800).
Just last week, I upgraded to Logitech solar keyboard and Logitech Performance MX. Love the keyboard, it's at 100% battery all the time. Recharges from any light source. As for the mouse, I bought it because it works on glass desks and it does work perfectly on mine. Function wise, it's the same as other laser mouse.jarosh said:
yeah, was considering the new mx one as well. hate those wireless "gaming" mice with batteries that only last 2-3 days.knitoe said:
the solar keyboard seems so damn cool... on the other hand, i love the idea of the illuminated one and being able to actually see the keys in the dark :/
das keyboard is totally not my thing. and i'm looking for wireless stuff only. there's some great wired logitech mice (not "officially" gaming mice) that are great for gaming and that i'd get in an instant, but for this build i'm limited to wireless devices.claviertekky said:
I've been using that optical mouse for the past eight years. Best mouse ever for its price.
Eliciel
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Is there any recommendation apart from the processor OC Guide concerning the "safest" clock speed? I mean 3,8ghz and 4,0ghz and 4,5ghz. Is a general rule of thumb that the more you push it the riskier it gets? Are there any recommendation from you if 4ghz work out good? Or should I stick to 3,8ghz?
Sorry for this dumb question but I've never overclocked before and the OC guide from OP explains the risks and the recipe to overclock but it doesn't deal with the question 4ghz vs. 3,8ghz or even less in terms of stability etc.
O yeah and is there also a general rule of thumb concerning the temperature? Only part I found in the guide concerning the temps was:
"As we are getting to quite high clock speeds, we need to keep an eye on the temperatures of our CPU, ideally, we could do with keeping under 65-70C, and this should be fairly easily doable, providing you aren't in a super hot room, and that you have decent airflow through the case and good CPU cooling."
thanks in advance
Sorry for this dumb question but I've never overclocked before and the OC guide from OP explains the risks and the recipe to overclock but it doesn't deal with the question 4ghz vs. 3,8ghz or even less in terms of stability etc.
O yeah and is there also a general rule of thumb concerning the temperature? Only part I found in the guide concerning the temps was:
"As we are getting to quite high clock speeds, we need to keep an eye on the temperatures of our CPU, ideally, we could do with keeping under 65-70C, and this should be fairly easily doable, providing you aren't in a super hot room, and that you have decent airflow through the case and good CPU cooling."
thanks in advance
It's not a dumb question, the thing you gotta keep in mind is the correlation between clockspeed, voltages and temps.
You want as high stable clock speed as possible, with as low voltage as possible that results in as low temps as possible which they in turn lead to a longer cpu-life.
You want as high stable clock speed as possible, with as low voltage as possible that results in as low temps as possible which they in turn lead to a longer cpu-life.
What CPU?
If it's Sandy Bridge, 4.5 is pretty safe on air. Can push further with watercooling or other types of cooling.
You can go as far as it is stable on a particular voltage and clock speed. And keeping it cool too.
Just be sure to stress test it to ensure that it is stable. But for 24/7 speeds it is advisable to let it run at about 4.5 but SB has automatic throttling anyway so if you are idling the CPU will run at a much slower speed.
If it's Sandy Bridge, 4.5 is pretty safe on air. Can push further with watercooling or other types of cooling.
You can go as far as it is stable on a particular voltage and clock speed. And keeping it cool too.
Just be sure to stress test it to ensure that it is stable. But for 24/7 speeds it is advisable to let it run at about 4.5 but SB has automatic throttling anyway so if you are idling the CPU will run at a much slower speed.
Eliciel
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Corky said:
so your recommendation on temperatur for longevity would be what than? If I want to stick with my processor for at least 3-5 years? ^^ I don't want to kill it in 1 year or let's say it like that I don't want to raise the possibility too high that I am going to kill it in 1 year with the settings I am going to choose!?
Kyaw said:
Intel Core I5 2500k 3,3GHZ
Woahttt? I didn't know that 4.5 is pretty safe
. That's insane . I am using mugen 2 rev. and the nzxt phantom with front 140mm silentwings (so total 5 fans). Currently 38-40°C idle temps....So does that mean as long as I keep it under 65-70°C everything should be fine?
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claviertekky said:
high five.
best 130 bucks ever spent. EVER. OF ALL TIME.
I would only buy wireless equipment for my desktop over my dead body.
voady said:so your recommendation on temperatur for longevity would be what than? If I want to stick with my processor for at least 3-5 years? ^^ I don't want to kill it in 1 year or let's say it like that I don't want to raise the possibility too high that I am going to kill it in 1 year with the settings I am going to choose!?
Intel Core I5 2500k 3,3GHZ
Woahttt? I didn't know that 4.5 is pretty safe
So does that mean as long as I keep it under 65-70°C everything should be fine?
Yeah man, just make sure that your temp doesn't go over 65-70.
Your idle temps are relatively high tbh, what's your ambient temp?
SB is designed to be overclocked a lot. So do it!
It's so easy too.
voady said:
Well here's the thing, the best temps are obviously as low as possible, what you're asking is ( what I assume ) "with which temp range should I be comfortable with? " is also dependant on your for example your room.
What I'm trying to say is there's no feasible way to say which temp you should aim for given all the variables, case, airflow, delta temp, cooling, oc settings etc, but rather which you you get. So I guess just go ahead and do your OC and see where you land tempwise. Stability first, then tweak your settings for as low temp as possible. All chips are different so who knows you might have in your hand a cpu that clocks to 5ghz like it's nothing or you might have one that's shit, and that'll obviously affect temps.
Eliciel
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Kyaw said:
ambient temp is around 20-23°C. Except it gets around 30°C outside than it's around 25°C inside.
Hmm, I think I installed everything just fine
What temp would be "normal" for a system like that? Do you think a second fan for the scythe would be necessary? Corky said:
Yeah that's what I meant, all right thank you
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That's it, I'm buying a gun.jarosh said:
Can't be posted enough, typing on one of these motherfuckers right now and it couldn't get better.claviertekky said:
Seriously. It makes me actually enjoy typing.
don't hate it till you try it, brah
As for a mouse, Roccat Kone Plus is pretty damn good
I love it. <3
wireless.... sidewinder x8 is OK I guess
oh come on guys, i know there's some fellow COMFY COUCH gamers in here! you can't all possibly be running wires across your living room, right? i mean, i feel you guys, i'd much prefer to use a wired mouse for gaming as well, it's just totally impractical for this particular setup.
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no i mean the batteries last all day and then i have to get more
flashbandit16
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I need a new keyboard and mouse but I never purchase them before with gaming in mind, so I need some advice.
For the mouse I am trying to decide which one is the best but the brand doesn't really matter for any recommendation you have just keep it around $50:
Logitech MX 518:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104178
Logitech G500:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318
Logitech G9x:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104261
For the keyboard I really would like a illimuniated keyboard; programmable buttions is a plus but doesnt't matter too much:
Logitech G110:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126087&Tpk=Logitech%20G110
Thank you for the help.
For the mouse I am trying to decide which one is the best but the brand doesn't really matter for any recommendation you have just keep it around $50:
Logitech MX 518:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104178
Logitech G500:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318
Logitech G9x:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104261
For the keyboard I really would like a illimuniated keyboard; programmable buttions is a plus but doesnt't matter too much:
Logitech G110:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126087&Tpk=Logitech%20G110
Thank you for the help.
flashbandit16 said:
Hey man, I actually owned a G500 and sold it with my old rig, then I ordered a an MX 518 with my new build.
Dear god I miss that G500. The difference between them is like night and day and yet I can't put a finger on what actually does it, it's heft / weight / general feel was infinitely better than the MX 518. I'm actually very surprised to see the 518 be as successfull as it is given that the G500 is within the same ballpark price wise.
God damnit I need to get rid of my current mouse and rebuy a G500.
More DAS love huh?
I'll be getting mine in this week. See if there is any merit to all the fuss.
I had one lockup which I wasn't sure of the cause immediately (once out of 4 months of use) and decided to bump it down and see if it happened again. Could have been a ton of things though.
What did you end up settling on, and do you have any pics?
I've tried all 3 on my computer and settled on the G9. But, I am more claw on this mouse so it's up to your style.
The MX518 and G500 are more palm oriented. The G500 has a slightly bigger hump which may be better if you have a larger hand or want more support in the middle of your hand.
I personally didn't like it and favored the MX518 over it.
I'll be getting mine in this week. See if there is any merit to all the fuss.
In general most people see a ~1.30V load for 4.5Ghz. Personally I would not go higher than 1.30VEltacoman said:
I had one lockup which I wasn't sure of the cause immediately (once out of 4 months of use) and decided to bump it down and see if it happened again. Could have been a ton of things though.
I'm glad it all worked out. PC gaming is the only thing that stops you from posting one liners huh?blame space said:i'm sorry i was hostile before. i am so happy.
games run in native resolution.. it's a beautiful thing.
What did you end up settling on, and do you have any pics?
Pretty much. There's a break off of about 4.3 to 4.5 usually where it doesn't want to go much further without tweaking a few extra settings and feeding it more power.voady said:so your recommendation on temperatur for longevity would be what than? If I want to stick with my processor for at least 3-5 years? ^^ I don't want to kill it in 1 year or let's say it like that I don't want to raise the possibility too high that I am going to kill it in 1 year with the settings I am going to choose!?
Intel Core I5 2500k 3,3GHZ
Woahttt? I didn't know that 4.5 is pretty safe
So does that mean as long as I keep it under 65-70°C everything should be fine?
So you can have one of each opinion...flashbandit16 said:
I've tried all 3 on my computer and settled on the G9. But, I am more claw on this mouse so it's up to your style.
The MX518 and G500 are more palm oriented. The G500 has a slightly bigger hump which may be better if you have a larger hand or want more support in the middle of your hand.
I personally didn't like it and favored the MX518 over it.
Tobiasboon
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Just built a new mITX form factor gaming/HTPC for my living room. I already had a decent graphics card from my previous main rig so I swapped that in to save some money in the short-term. Even though my mITX motherboard is H67 based (so no overclocking and no 1600MHz DDR3 support) I bought the i5 2500k and 1600MHz DDR3 should I want to overclock on another board in the future and I think it only set me back less than a tenner over the normal i5 2500 and 1333MHz memory.
Silverstone Sugo SG05BB-450 Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3-B3 H67 Motherboard
Intel i5 2500K CPU
4GB Corsair 1600MHz DDR3 memory
Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid 500GB
Powercolour ATI/AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB
I have one question: I am limited to 9" graphics cards for this build so that rules out the 6950/6970 but it will fit a GeForce GTX 560ti which I have read is a really nice card. How big a jump in performance would I see over the current 6850 at 1080p? I don't really use MLAA that much so I won't really mind losing that feature and it would be nice to have PhysX support and SSAO being able to be forced from the drivers (if this still an option?). I should be able to get around £100 for my 6850 I would have thought and then stick in an extra £70 to make up the difference on a GTX 560ti. Worthwhile, or shall I just ride out the 6850?
A note on the PSU, yes it is "only" 450w but after a bit of research it is quite a decent PSU with a good 36A on the 12v rail. The GTX 560ti will draw more than the 6850 but should still be well within tolerances for the PSU in the case so that shouldn't be a concern since I won't be overclocking at all. Thanks!
Silverstone Sugo SG05BB-450 Mini ITX Case
Gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3-B3 H67 Motherboard
Intel i5 2500K CPU
4GB Corsair 1600MHz DDR3 memory
Seagate Momentus XT Hybrid 500GB
Powercolour ATI/AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB
I have one question: I am limited to 9" graphics cards for this build so that rules out the 6950/6970 but it will fit a GeForce GTX 560ti which I have read is a really nice card. How big a jump in performance would I see over the current 6850 at 1080p? I don't really use MLAA that much so I won't really mind losing that feature and it would be nice to have PhysX support and SSAO being able to be forced from the drivers (if this still an option?). I should be able to get around £100 for my 6850 I would have thought and then stick in an extra £70 to make up the difference on a GTX 560ti. Worthwhile, or shall I just ride out the 6850?
A note on the PSU, yes it is "only" 450w but after a bit of research it is quite a decent PSU with a good 36A on the 12v rail. The GTX 560ti will draw more than the 6850 but should still be well within tolerances for the PSU in the case so that shouldn't be a concern since I won't be overclocking at all. Thanks!
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/291?vs=330Tobiasboon said:
Eliciel
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Hazaro said:
Ok thank you. Btw. what's your take on my temperatures
because Kyaw said, that my idle temps are relatively high (39-41(sometimes also 42)°C). My ambient temps are around 20-23°C. What do you think? Maybe I should add another fan on that mugen? Or is anything else wrong? I've read some reviews and the mugen 2 was around 37-38°C at about 20°C ambient temp. I am using the NZXT Phantom with all stock fans + 140mm silent wings front fan. But I only turn 2 of them in idle. I thought based on that, that my temps would be ok?
I idle between 27 and 31 and my ambient temps are around the same as you; then again I do have a D14 and probably better air circulation with the Silverstone FT02.voady said:Woahttt? I didn't know that 4.5 is pretty safe
Just read your new post, the high 30s is kind of high for idle.
remz said:Can't be posted enough, typing on one of these motherfuckers right now and it couldn't get better.
Seriously. It makes me actually enjoy typing.
don't hate it till you try it, brah
As for a mouse, Roccat Kone Plus is pretty damn good
I love it. <3
wireless.... sidewinder x8 is OK I guess
Yeah, I think I've settled on the DAS; I do wish it was backlit or something though. I guess I'll have to buy a small desk lamp now.
That's a nice mouse! Right now I'm using a Logitech LX8, have been for the past year or two since my previous Logitech mice would have erratic clicking behavior and Logi would just send me new ones. I wish they sent me a gx9 as a replacement instead.
@n0n44m, thanks for the BT-PS3 thing; I was hoping it'd be something that worked out of the box instead of having to install the motionjoy drivers anyway lol.
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