"I need a New PC!" 2011 Thread of reading the OP. Seriously. [Part 2]

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ithorien said:
Sexy indeed, but I'm swooning for the Mamba 6400 dpi version.

His dpi is OVER 9000!!!!!

I'm at 5600dpi now and never going back. Had the Microsoft Wheel Optical Mouse for the longest time refusing to believe I needed a gaming mouse then my k/d in bc2 went from 0.7 to 1.2. I'm a believer now.
 
Hey guys!

Got my rig working. Was a chore but I made some noobish errors.

Anyway:

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My fuck yeh moment of the day! Can't wait to get into Crysis 2!
 
The Antec 280 looks good. I never owned a Performance One case. I'm gonna keep an eye on it.


Any other suggestions for an upcoming good air cooled full tower case?

If only 800D from Corsair would come in an air cooled friendly version:(


Currently thinking about Thermaltake GT Level 10 as well or some Lian Li. To damn few cases with more than 7 expansion slots!
 
So my girlfriend spilled some water on her aging laptop and basically ruined it.

She is now interested in replacing it with a desktop because she doesn't really need the mobility of the laptop anymore since she is out of school.

I told her to stay away from Best Buy and such chains for buying PC's. Also to avoid the price-gouging off things such as Alienware.

Can anyone recommend some good websites where custom built PC's are constructed and for sale? She is probably looking to spend under $1000 ... doesn't need any crazy type of gaming rig or anything.

Building her a computer isn't out of the question, but I'd prefer to just buy one.
 
Macattk15 said:
Building her a computer isn't out of the question, but I'd prefer to just buy one.

I would build her one from a barebones pack (motherboard, cpu, ram and case). Then you can add whatever you like and make it seem like you did all the hard work. Extra points.

I take it you're in the States, I don't have much of an idea about computer stores there but I hear a lot of good things about www.newegg.com
 
Woot.com and Dell sometimes have really nice desktop systems for the average user. SlickDeals usually posts deals from Dell a lot. Woot has a lot of HP desktops.

If I were you though, I would build one for her.

You can easily get a decent setup for $400-$600 for either path you choose.
 
Macattk15 said:
So my girlfriend spilled some water on her aging laptop and basically ruined it.

She is now interested in replacing it with a desktop because she doesn't really need the mobility of the laptop anymore since she is out of school.

I told her to stay away from Best Buy and such chains for buying PC's. Also to avoid the price-gouging off things such as Alienware.

Can anyone recommend some good websites where custom built PC's are constructed and for sale? She is probably looking to spend under $1000 ... doesn't need any crazy type of gaming rig or anything.

Building her a computer isn't out of the question, but I'd prefer to just buy one.

Several online stores will build you a custom machine. NCIX will do it for $50
 
scogoth said:
Several online stores will build you a custom machine. NCIX will do it for $50

Cool I will check them out.

I'll also look at some barebones too.

I guess there are a ton of websites that will build me a PC .... but I don't know how trustworthy some are ... CyberpowerPC, IbuyPOWER, GamePC, etc. Just wondering if anyone has bought from any of these companies.
 
Otheradam said:
Anyone have a good recommendation for a 23 inch monitor that is good for gaming and photo editing? I've been looking at this Samsung- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001439
For starters, I'm just learning about monitors, myself. I'm trying to make a good decision before buying and I feel pretty lost. The big choices for me come down to IPS vs.TN display panels, 23" vs. 24" screen size, and 16:9 vs. 16:10 aspect ratio. I'm trying to stay under 400$. And I'm leaning toward IPS over TN despite slower response times for games.

This monitor (16:9) is a little bit more expensive than what you listed, but has gotten fairly decent reviews and is priced really well for an IPS monitor which has better color quality for editing photos:
Dell U2311H for $280.00 ... Review

This monitor (16:10) is more expensive, but the aspect ratio really interests me and is still pretty well priced for being a 24" instead of a 23", especially for an IPS monitor: HP ZR24W for $372 ... Review
Here's a big thread on hardforum discussing the ZR24W: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1491561.

The problem with the above 2 choices is that they both have really harsh AG (anti-glare) coatings from what I've read. But it's still basically a toss-up between these two and or just settling for a really nice TN monitor. TN monitors are the cheaper route, and I haven't ruled them out. Since IPS monitors are so few and far between, it's easier to narrow down obvious choices. But TN monitors are everywhere and I'd really like some good opinions on 23" to 24" TN monitors. What are other people using or recommend?
 
Going to pick up an Eee Slate EP121 as soon as they come back in stock. Will give you a performance reading and all that jazz when it happens. I fucking cant wait for this thing.
 
Hey guys, I have some screen tearing in certain games. What causes this? Is it possible that it's my monitor? Maybe the response time or refresh rate? I have a 60hz refresh rate and gtx 580.

Edit, also I don't like turning V sync on because it slows down everything and feels too laggy.
 
Deadstar said:
Hey guys, I have some screen tearing in certain games. What causes this? Is it possible that it's my monitor? Maybe the response time or refresh rate? I have a 60hz refresh rate and gtx 580.
Enable vSync.
 
Crytek said:
The DirectX 11 support, the Ultra spec and the extra graphical features introduced with the DX11 Ultra Upgrade come at a performance price: they added an additional overhead of ~30%. It now makes sense to expose more graphical options for the players to be able to fine tune the performance of Crysis 2 on their machine, especially for the owner of DX11 cards that do not appear in the current list of recommended graphics cards.

The owners of high end recommended graphics cards, such as the NVIDIA 480 GTX or equivalent, should be able to run the game with Ultra settings at a resolution of 1080p with an average frame rate of 35 fps.


Predecessor to BF3 as far as graphic fidelity/requirements for max?


vilmer_C2 DX11 thread said:
After playing through a bit more, just wow... Crysis has taken back the graphical crown. In fact, I don't think it ever left. This is unbelievable :o

:p
 
claviertekky said:
Enable vSync.

V sync feels really sluggish on my system. Is that because my refresh rate is only 60 so its locked to a low frame rate? The mouse control and everything just feels really off whenever I enable v sync.
 
Smokey said:
Predecessor to BF3 as far as graphic fidelity/requirements for max?
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Publisher: EA Games
Developer: EA DICE

Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP
Processor: Core 2 DUO @ 2 GHz
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version
Video Memory: 256 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 7800GT/ATI X1900)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 9.0c
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

Recommended System Requirements
OS: Windows Vista/7
Processor: Any Quadcore Processor
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version
Video Memory: 512 MB (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 10
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive


Deadstar said:
V sync feels really sluggish on my system. Is that because my refresh rate is only 60 so its locked to a low frame rate? The mouse control and everything just feels really off whenever I enable v sync.

Depends on the game and coding.

For me, I have mine off because my setup sucks, so I just deal with it.

What game is this?
 
claviertekky said:
Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Publisher: EA Games
Developer: EA DICE

Minimum System Requirements
OS: Windows XP
Processor: Core 2 DUO @ 2 GHz
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version
Video Memory: 256 MB (NVIDIA GeForce 7800GT/ATI X1900)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 9.0c
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive

Recommended System Requirements
OS: Windows Vista/7
Processor: Any Quadcore Processor
Memory: 2 GB
Hard Drive: 15 GB for Digital Version, 10 GB for Disc Version
Video Memory: 512 MB (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260)
Sound Card: DirectX Compatible
DirectX: 10
Keyboard and Mouse
DVD Rom Drive


Those recommended specs (on DX11) would give players close to 60fps with everything max? Guessing no :p

And with the destructability in BF3 I'm sure the rec specs will be higher. Even if it's optimized.
 
Smokey said:
Those recommended specs (on DX11) would give players close to 60fps with everything max? Guessing no :p
That's from the box, so take it for what it is.

It seems like people are looking at BF3 as the Crysis 1 game for 2011.

If BF3 is going to be able to run on consoles, which ran Bad Company 2 and the Medal of Honor reboot just fine, then I don't see much to worry.
 
claviertekky said:
That's from the box, so take it for what it is.

It seems like people are looking at BF3 as the Crysis 1 game for 2011.

If BF3 is going to be able to run on consoles, which ran Bad Company 2 and the Medal of Honor reboot just fine, then I don't see much to worry.

I thought everyone took the recommended specs as the minumum nowadays :p

Pretty sure what's listed there would not give you max details on DX11 and close to 60 fps.

Look at Crysis 2 DX11 + texture pack vs C2 on consoles. C2 DX9 smoked consoles, DX11 it's lol
 
Deputy Moonman said:
What are other people using or recommend?

I was sitting here thinking that I posted some big thing on some IPS and TN panels. Dig it up and find it was in response to you originally anyway, lol.

Anyway, there's two TN panels that spring to mind for the "low-end" price range ($200-$250 or so). The HP 2509b (25" Glossy TN) and the LG W2442PA (24" Non-Glossy TN). I have two of the 2509b's, mostly because it was only $200 about a week ago, and because the fact that it is glossy means it has the better colors and easier-on-the-eyes text (which is pretty big for me on both accounts; lots of anime and manga in addition to normal gaming). The LG is the better gaming monitor, though, what with it having practically no delay on it in practice (minimal, if any, ghosting as well).

@G500 vs MX518:
Just to note, the MX518 sensor is practically flawless; the G500 has some issues (the Avago 9500 and it's troublesome positive acceleration). How big of a deal that is is up to you. Personally, I don't like the MX518 body and that outweighs basically everything else.

My Mionix NAOS 5000 should be here later this week so hopefully I like it. If that fails, I'll just get a Deathadder and maybe just mod it to have the NAOS body with the DA sensor or something. Or suck it up, go claw, and try the CM Spawn that I see getting peddled everywhere :/
 
Smokey said:
I thought everyone took the recommended specs as the minumum nowadays :p

Pretty sure what's listed there would not give you max details on DX11 and close to 60 fps.

Look at Crysis 2 DX11 + texture pack vs C2 on consoles. C2 DX9 smoked consoles, DX11 it's lol
I would be very surprised if the PC didn't smoke consoles. You're comparing 5-6 year old hardware here.

:lol
 
Protip if you have a microcenter around you can save huge on getting an i5 or i7 chip.

I got an I7 cheaper then what newegg.com sells for i5s.
 
anyone knows the exact specs concerning the Kingston KVR1333 d3s9. Long Version: "KINGSTON ValueRAM 8GB (2 X 4GB) DDR3 DIMM (240 pin) 1333MHZ PC3-10600 PC3-10666 8 GB KIT CL 9"

DRAM CAS# Latency
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay
DRAM RAS# PRE Time
DRAM RAS# ACT Time

It's mentioned in the overclock guide in the op. I can't find anything on my Kingston ram and I wondered if anyone of you got the same
I think it's 1.5 Volt at least that's the only thing that's printed on the ram...

At the moment I am getting blue-screen (crash...)

I followed everything that was said in the OC Guide but it crashes on me...so maybe I decided for the wrong values....

Thanks in advance.

oh and btw. can the system completely crash if I use the guide very carefully? I mean really burn the motherboard and the processor down?
 
Value RAM is generally not good for overclocking, so adjusting timings will be very tricky.

Your best bet is to set them to the slowest timings and just adjust the CPU FSB.

What motherboard are you using?


Eltacoman said:
I have a problem doing that lol. Someone recommended the G400, do you have any experience with it?

Nope. It'll be best if you can actually try the mouse. Otherwise, you can only read third-person view points about this, and your actual experience may differ.
 
Eltacoman said:
I have a problem doing that lol. Someone recommended the G400, do you have any experience with it?

No, seriously, try them out in store. You'll go in circles in days and then choose one to only end up with something you don't like the ergonomics of or the feel of the mouse or the material or basically anything else besides the technical specifications of it. The MX518 has the better sensor than the G500 so, between those two, I'd say that one. But it's really hard to just "hey, get this mouse, it's obviously the best" since there's a lot of factors.

Also, it's not like the G500 has a terrible sensor. It has some issues (positive acceleration, high LOD) but the latter is irrelevant if you never lift the mouse and the former is only an issue if you're sweeping left-to-right really fast. At least, that's my understanding of the sensor issues. I just bought a new mouse that should be here in a few days (Mionix NAOS 5000) that has the same sensor so I can get more hands-on for those two problems in a few days.

As for the G400, it's not out yet I thought? It got pushed back to ~August time frame. I'm probably going to pick one up then to see how it fares since it's meant to be a better MX518 and the MX518 is, in all honesty, a really good mouse. Prediction be damned.

Edit: Quick Google gets me this on the release date. Though, read some people have theirs shipping already so maybe not?
 
claviertekky said:
Depends on the game and coding.

For me, I have mine off because my setup sucks, so I just deal with it.

What game is this?

I see it in Overlord with 8xaa and max settings. I also see some tearing sometimes in Team Fortress 2 and Witcher 2. It happens often.
 
claviertekky said:
Value RAM is generally not good for overclocking, so adjusting timings will be very tricky.

Your best bet is to set them to the slowest timings and just adjust the CPU FSB.

What motherboard are you using?

Asus P8P67 Pro

Shit..I didn't know that. I am not good at OC so...maybe I'll just leave it and may be overclocking it sometime in the future...
 
Coldsnap said:
I knew some people bought the razor black widow keyboard here. Any reviews?
Ask the Starcraft 2 OT forum in the Community section.

I wouldn't buy it because I don't like Razer's build quality and QC, and the key caps are cheap. Plus the positioning of the Macro keys is bothersome, and the spacing between 1 and the F1 key is very off.

For the price though, it's definitely a bargain mechanical keyboard.
 
claviertekky said:
I would be very surprised if the PC didn't smoke consoles. You're comparing 5-6 year old hardware here.

:lol

But...you compared them and said that if it runs on consoles then it should run fine on PC, which wasn't really my point.

Of course it will. I said for "optimal" PC settings the fact that the engine works on consoles doesn't mean anything. To get BF3 running at 1080p, at near 60fps, DX11, and with 64 players will take some beefy hardware.

I'm sure the engine will be optimized nicely, but my point still stands. Which is why I compared it to C2 with DX11 and the specs it requires to run at MAX.

Coldsnap said:
I knew some people bought the razor black widow keyboard here. Any reviews?

I love mine. I don't really use the macro keys, but for everything else I am satisfied. Solid feel to it and dem keys. Can get loud when you get on a roll typing but I love the feedback and how it feels. Other than that don't know what more to say...it's a keyboard :p
 
Smokey said:
But...you compared them and said that if it runs on consoles then it should run fine on PC, which wasn't really my point.

This ensures that BF3 won't require a ridiculous setup for everyone to enjoy. Otherwise, DIC3 would be barring potential game buyers.

Smokey said:
Of course it will. I said for "optimal" PC settings the fact that the engine works on consoles doesn't mean anything.

Running on consoles means a lot for usability on lower setups and optimization.

Smokey said:
To get BF3 running at 1080p, at near 60fps, DX11, and with 64 players will take some beefy hardware.

Yeah, and?

Smokey said:
I'm sure the engine will be optimized nicely, but my point still stands. Which is why I compared it to C2 with DX11 and the specs it requires to run at MAX.

I'm not quite sure what your point is as your post seems to reek stealth brag here.
 
The MX Revolution is an alright wireless mouse, but it's not really suited for gaming like the MX518. It's more suited to web browsing and leisure.
 
jarosh said:
the razer mamba is crazy expensive (at least here) but i might be able to check it out at the store later, see how it feels...


does anyone here actually use the saitek cyborg?

I use the RAT 9, I love it. The big pinky rest is the best. Also, the sniper button is cool. I made a couple posts starting at #1747 about it.

Kyaw said:
It looked pretty flimsy from the pictures imo.

It's super solid. It has like a thick metal chassis that doesn't allow it to bend at all. You could do some serious damage it if you threw it, heh.

Just weight it and my old G9x. The RAT 9 is ~6oz(170g) with the battery in and the G9x is ~3.8oz(107g). Neither had any of their extra weights in. So, it's a fairly heavy mouse, but that's fine with me.
 
With BF3 coming out I really want to try and max it out.

At the moment I have:

i7-920 @2.6ghz
6GB ram
260GTX

I know the card needs updating but would the CPU and RAM be fine? Also, what card should I get? Is the 570 the best(without going nuts) geforce high-end card?
 
Hazaro said:
1: Yup. Bulldozer will be likely be competitive, but it is catchup for AMD to SB.

2: You can get a silent PSU, very quiet heatsink, and an aftermarket cooler on your GPU to make it very quiet at idle. Load noise is almost all GPU, so if that bothers you you'll want a special aftermarket cooler. You can get a dualfan heatsink type of card and keep the fans at 50-60% and it will be pretty tolerable imo.

3: Yes it was fixed a few months back. All new motherboards out now are labeled B3 and every affected board was recalled.

Cheers for the help, that means I don't have to re-think the case and processor.
 
I'm trying to figure out what I'm losing going with the MSI P67A-G43 over the MSI P67A-G55 motherboard. I went to the MSI website to do a comparison, but the G43 didn't show up.

Newegg currently has a good combo deal with the G43 + core i5-2500k for $314.98 plus a $10 MIR
 
claviertekky said:
This ensures that BF3 won't require a ridiculous setup for everyone to enjoy. Otherwise, DIC3 would be barring potential game buyers.



Running on consoles means a lot for usability on lower setups and optimization.



Yeah, and?



I'm not quite sure what your point is as your post seems to reek stealth brag here.
Stealth brag? What the hell are you talking about? If I want to brag about something I will, nothing stealthy about me.Check your reading skills clavier.

All I said was how good C2 looked with dx11. BF3 is considered to be a benchmark game for PC hardware. Why do you think this is? Why do you think people in multiple threads are saying they have to build a PC for that game? It is expected that if you want to run that game close to max you need good hardware. C2 new dx11 patch makes the game look incredibly good and like BF3 to run it close to max you'll probably need a beefy machine.

How you got to consoles and this and that fuck do I know. Like the witcher 2 , crysis 2 is a good way to stress your parts before bf3. How you didn't get that and said my post is a stealth brag is beyond me.
 
desh said:
I'm trying to figure out what I'm losing going with the MSI P67A-G43 over the MSI P67A-G55 motherboard. I went to the MSI website to do a comparison, but the G43 didn't show up.

Newegg currently has a good combo deal with the G43 + core i5-2500k for $314.98 plus a $10 MIR
I only glanced on Newegg's site, so this is my take on it.

The G43 lacks:

  • Front panel pin-outs for USB 3.0 and IEEE 1394 ports to the front case (G43 only does USB 2.0 to the front)
  • IEEE 1394 port in the back (no Firewire port)
  • Dual x16 PCI-Express ports (G43 only does x16 and x8)

Smokey said:
Stealth brag? What the hell are you talking about? Check your reading skills clavier.

All I said was how good C2 looked with dx11. BF3 is considered to be a benchmark game for PC hardware. Why do you think this is? Why do you think people in multiple threads are saying they have to build a PC for that game? It is expected that if you want to run that game close to max you need good hardware. C2 new dx11 patch makes the game look incredibly good and like BF3 to run it close to max you'll probably need a beefy machine.

How you got to consoles and this and that fuck do I know. Like the witcher 2 , crysis 2 is a good way to stress your parts before bf3. How you didn't get that and said my post is a stealth brag is beyond me.

Smokey said:
Those recommended specs (on DX11) would give players close to 60fps with everything max? Guessing no :p


Smokey said:
I thought everyone took the recommended specs as the minumum nowadays :p

Pretty sure what's listed there would not give you max details on DX11 and close to 60 fps.

Look at Crysis 2 DX11 + texture pack vs C2 on consoles. C2 DX9 smoked consoles, DX11 it's lol

Your recent posts just seemed arrogant to me in terms of repeated mentioning of specs (i.e. DX11, 60 fps, 1080p, recommended specs is minimum specs, consoles lol, max and ultra settings, :p).

If people only cared about specs, then I suppose we don't need a discussion here on what hardware to get and if something is worth it.

"Just get the best of everything since if you don't have a certain setup, your setup sucks. It doesn't matter how much it costs. Who cares about money when you can get 1080p, 60fps, and steady framerates because that's how I do it?"

That's what your posts sound like to me.

I don't think it's game-breaking if a computer can't run things max as that's a fault for the developers.

Unless there's a demo out for BF3, there can't be much said about what computer can run it.
 
scy said:
No, seriously, try them out in store. You'll go in circles in days and then choose one to only end up with something you don't like the ergonomics of or the feel of the mouse or the material or basically anything else besides the technical specifications of it. The MX518 has the better sensor than the G500 so, between those two, I'd say that one. But it's really hard to just "hey, get this mouse, it's obviously the best" since there's a lot of factors.

Also, it's not like the G500 has a terrible sensor. It has some issues (positive acceleration, high LOD) but the latter is irrelevant if you never lift the mouse and the former is only an issue if you're sweeping left-to-right really fast. At least, that's my understanding of the sensor issues. I just bought a new mouse that should be here in a few days (Mionix NAOS 5000) that has the same sensor so I can get more hands-on for those two problems in a few days.

As for the G400, it's not out yet I thought? It got pushed back to ~August time frame. I'm probably going to pick one up then to see how it fares since it's meant to be a better MX518 and the MX518 is, in all honesty, a really good mouse. Prediction be damned.

Edit: Quick Google gets me this on the release date. Though, read some people have theirs shipping already so maybe not?

Ah, that makes sense as to why I couldn't find the G400 on Amazon. I'm going to go to the store later and try them out, thanks! What keyboards do you guys recommend?
 
The hell...

In anticipation of my soundcards arrival tomorrow I'm making the wait even harder to endure by reading reviews and stuff.

Most of them have, for some bizarre reason ( or so I thought ), gaming benchmarks. And not related to sound, rather fps. And apparently different soundcards gives you different fps' as if it was a gpu or something. >_< Don't tell me I'm gonna lose like 10% performance in all my games just cus I want some better sound?
 
Ok so yeah, who wants me o sell their old GPU for $50 or under (shipping included)?

I can pay Pay Pal and Amazon credit or whatever, needed.

I'd prefer the card to be something better than my old card: a 9600GT and preferably be an Nvidia card, but that's not mandatory.

I may miss your response to this in here, ( thread moves fast) so maybe best to PM me instead.
 
Corky said:
The hell...

In anticipation of my soundcards arrival tomorrow I'm making the wait even harder to endure by reading reviews and stuff.

Most of them have, for some bizarre reason ( or so I thought ), gaming benchmarks. And not related to sound, rather fps. And apparently different soundcards gives you different fps' as if it was a gpu or something. >_< Don't tell me I'm gonna lose like 10% performance in all my games just cus I want some better sound?

If anything you should gain, because you're offloading the audio processing to a separate device.
 
ithorien said:
If anything you should gain, because you're offloading the audio processing to a separate device.

Interesting, I see. Fuck man, the gpu jungle is a single apple tree compared to the amazon rainforest that is the soundcard one.
 
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