It's been asked already, but would you consider building your own? Most of the pre-builds that I'm looking at are taking you about £50 over budget once factoring in a decent monitor at around £120 for a decent 22-24" IPS one.
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It's been asked already, but would you consider building your own? Most of the pre-builds that I'm looking at are taking you about £50 over budget once factoring in a decent monitor at around £120 for a decent 22-24" IPS one.
Can anyone give me some advice:
Is here anything on this list I should replace? for example, something that is better and even cheaper would be greatly appreciated.
otherwise will go with this setup.
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a 316,85
LG BH10LS38 Super Multi Blue artnr. 460815 : stukprijs a 74,48
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a 78,97
CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 1000W artnr. 483625 : stukprijs a 144,94
Gainward GTX 680 Phantom artnr. 509369 : stukprijs a 517,17
MSI X79A-GD65 (8D) artnr. 459181 : stukprijs a 252,97
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM 32gb artnr. 527129 : stukprijs a 85,13
Cooler Master HAF X 135,98
Is here anything on this list I should replace? for example, something that is better and even cheaper would be greatly appreciated.
otherwise will go with this setup.
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a 316,85
LG BH10LS38 Super Multi Blue artnr. 460815 : stukprijs a 74,48
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a 78,97
CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 1000W artnr. 483625 : stukprijs a 144,94
Gainward GTX 680 Phantom artnr. 509369 : stukprijs a 517,17
MSI X79A-GD65 (8D) artnr. 459181 : stukprijs a 252,97
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM 32gb artnr. 527129 : stukprijs a 85,13
Cooler Master HAF X 135,98
Do you really need an i7 and a 680? Take a look at the 670 and 3570K.
Also, 1000W PSU seems overkill, as is 32GB of RAM.
What are you planning to do with the PC? If it's just general use and gaming I'd probably drop to a 3570K, drop to a 670, change the PSU, drop to 8GB of RAM.
Do you really need the BR drive too? With the money saved there you could easily have a nice SSD.
I know... But I have to change cooler anyway because in game such as Battlefield 3 and Crysis 2 I get even 77°C :/
The problem is that I have a little case (well, a normal mid tower) so a "tower" cooler (like the Archon) is not in an option... Are those all-in-one any good? I saw some benchmark for the Antec kuhler H2O 620 and it seemed good.
I'm not interested in overclocking my cpu.
You sure the cooler was applied correctly and securely? Or do you have a really hot room? I'm still running stock on my 2500K and it idles at ~33C and goes to ~55C under load.
Well I think so. How can I check?
Here in Italy is quite hot, so the idle temps are around 40/45, but before when it's was cooler the idle temps were around 35/40. Under high load always around 70.
Iacobellis
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How is my build? I am 100% set on the all parts I have chosen, I just want to make sure I am not missing anything to get everything up and running on day one. Thanks in advance.
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15671514
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15671514
Hi Kharma45,
Someone told me if i wanted to get another 680 in the future i am gonna need the power? Will 750W be enough if i ever buy 1, 2 or 3 680 in the future?
Is the jetstream a good 680 card? which 670 card or 680 card is the best out there for the same price range? does it matter if i ever decide to go with sli that the GPU needs to be a jetstream or can it be of another manufacturer?
I want 32 Gb because I want to use my computer for music production also.
I have no idea why i added the blu-ray, if was more to have a boot drive. So i thought getting a dvd drive would be a waste of money so i might as well go for a blu-ray drive.
My intention are to get a pc for atleast 7 years, preferably 10 years. I am typing on a 10 year old pc, i changed the gpu once, but lately i am having problems getting decent music productions and gaming is just impossible with the amount of cpu/gpu power they ask.
Any more tips would be great. Thanks for your time!
longdi
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cpu and motherboard are incompatible!
Yes!! Just found out. good someone else saw it too. what do you recommend as a good alternative. the motherboard has to have max 128gb of DDR if i decide to extend the ram that i am going to need for music productions in the future.
I found a cheaper one that does not have 128 DDRam capabilties, but it is much cheaper!!
So Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H would work with this setup?
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a € 316,85
LG BH10LS38 Super Multi Blue artnr. 460815 : stukprijs a € 74,48
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a € 78,97
CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 1000W artnr. 483625 : stukprijs a € 144,94
Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H 81,85
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a € 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM 32gb artnr. 527129 : stukprijs a € 85,13
Cooler Master HAF X 135,98
TyrantGuardian
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What the, you're getting 128GB of ram? Unless you're going to cache every single sample library at the same time, you won't get even near that ram usage. I have 16GB and haven't had a single issue during music production.
I use quantum leap samples. they require allot of ram. I don't make hiphop or trance music. I make orchestral music. these samples use allot of ram.
Like i said, for now i will go for 32gb, but for the future!! future!! talks have been that within now and 3-4 years we will have samples that need more ram and i don't want to spend money on another motherboard. So if it's included iam happy, but if the price range is more than 200 euro's then i will go for a 32gb motherboard now and get another one in 3-4 years.
This setup won't work as i found out the motherboard doesn't support sli
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a 316,85
LG BH10LS38 Super Multi Blue artnr. 460815 : stukprijs a 74,48
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a 78,97
CoolerMaster Silent Pro M2 1000W artnr. 483625 : stukprijs a 144,94
Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H 81,85
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM 32gb artnr. 527129 : stukprijs a 85,13
Cooler Master HAF X 135,98
this is interesting. Any examples of your work?
You'll never need 3 680's, but if you went SLI with just two 750w is more than plenty, check this review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-overclock-guide/3
I'd still say go for a 670, it's pretty much the exact same performance but a lot less money. Check out the benches here for it http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=555 The AMD 7950 and 7970 are also worth looking in to. Brand doesn't matter for SLI, as long as they're teh same card. As for the best 670 or 680, probably one of the MSI Twin Frozr ones but I'm sure other guys will weigh in with their opinion.
If you're looking to do multimedia 16GB would still probably be enough IMO. If you don't plan to actually watch any Blu-rays on your PC just get a DVD drive, personally I'd never use a BR drive. I have one in my laptop and have actually used the BR functionality about three times.
If you're doing multimedia stuff then yeah an i7 would be good. Again, this is just my advice and opinions, other guys on here I'm sure will weigh in too
It's very likely that's what I will do, Yeah. Thanks for taking the time to look
I've included Windows in the price for this build, but if you already have a copy then you could of course have more money to spend.
For £500 before the monitor (an extra £100 or so) this is what I'd go for
Intel Core i3 2120 3.3GHz from Amazon - £89.99
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FA8NXM/
MSI HD 6850 OC 1024MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card from Overclockers - £99.95
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-163-MS
Casecom 6788 All Black Case - £32.99 from eBuyer
http://www.ebuyer.com/172779-casecom-6788-all-black-case-km-6788-black
Or this case, the BitFenix Merc Alpha Gaming Case - Black from Overclockers for £27.98
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-010-BX&tool=3
Corsair Memory Vengeance Jet Black Low Profile 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz - £34.78 from Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00569K7LM/
Corsair CX 500W V2 ATX2.2 80 PLUS Power Supply from eBuyer - £46.30
http://www.ebuyer.com/278634-corsair-500w-cx-v2-psu-cmpsu-500cxv2uk
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (SP1) OEM - £70.34 from CCL online
http://www.cclonline.com/product/55...66/?siteID=8BacdVP0GFs-GjMT6X66t0FrxyQ1Q9e.Hw
If you're a student however you can get Windows 7 much cheaper, or even for free.
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 Internal Hard Drive plus free Acronis True Image Personal OEM - £65 from eBuyer
http://www.ebuyer.com/173804-samsung-1tb-spinpoint-f3-internal-hard-drive-hd103sj
Samsung SH-222BB SATA DVD Write Optical Drive | OEM - £12.95 from eBuyer
http://www.ebuyer.com/342873-samsung-sh-222bb-sata-dvd-write-optical-drive-oem-sh-222bb-bebe
Asrock P67 PRO Motherboard (Socket 1155, Onboard Sound and LAN) - £65 from Amazon
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004YLPXXA/
If you go for a MicroATX motherboard like this you can bring your build in under £500 easily
http://www.ebuyer.com/350501-asrock...-i7-i5-i3-socket-lga1155-ih61-microatx-h61m-s
To save money too, which could go towards your monitor or improving something else, you could drop to a Corsair 430w PSU, and you could also change the i3 if you wanted a Phenom II X4 965 BE to get a quad core, but my preference would be Intel. I'm sure some of the other guys on here could cast their eye over this build to see what they think, but it's just an idea
This article here recommends 8GB of RAM, so I'd say 16GB would be a good compromise, although I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about that software.
http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=4755
I know you didn't see my other post yet but I'd really recommend dropping the PSU down to 750w, and going for someone like SeaSonic or Corsair.
I'd get a Z77 motherboard too.
Which gtx670 would you recommend? I read that some gtx 670 beat the gtx680.
thanks for helping, it does save allot of money!!
edit: I did see your other post. I will go for 750 WATT, 1000W does seem a bit
much.
I'll promise i will upload some if i get my setup home fixed.
I'd take a look at the MSI GeForce GTX 670 Power Edition, the Twin Frozr cooler is a really good one.
And yeah go for a good 750w one
Something like a modular Corsair one would be a good place to start.I'd take a look at the MSI GeForce GTX 670 Power Edition, the Twin Frozr cooler is a really good one.
And yeah go for a good 750w one
I am amazed how many motherboards support crossfire but not SLI.
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a € 316,85
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a € 78,97
Corsair Enthusiast Series Modular TX750M 110,-
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a € 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM 32gb artnr. 527129 : stukprijs a € 85,13
Cooler Master HAF X 135,98
MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC 383,-
need a motherboard. Are there any alternatives to the Z77? it looks expensive, or does it have good features?
edit: Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H is this a good one?
longdi
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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...X-UP5-TH-Review-with-Ultra-Durable-5-Analysis
Gigabyte Z77X UP5 TH looks good at $249, at least what their marketing guy seems to make it to be. lol.
You want more ram, then go for 3930K + Asus Rampage 4 Extreme. 8x8 = 64gb! Or just get from amazon 4x8 = 32gb of samsung ulv "value" ram...low profile, low volt but overclocks well!
WOW!! insane prices...that's too much for me. I will go for the 32gb now and hope in 3-4 years cheap motherbords come out with 32gb+ capabiliets and will just switch. this way gonna be cheaper for now and save me money in the future. in 3-4 years might get another 670.
eso76
Member
well, according to the internets i'm not supposed to be getting around 30 fps with Crysis 2 - all ultra + hd texture pack on a GTX460 1GB at 1080p...
According to the guys at Nvidia themselves, i need to tune down a couple things (shaders, something else) to get around 38 fps at 720p...but i'm getting around 60 all maxed out ??
Not that i'm complaining, but i don't understand.
Might even try overclocking a bit later.
According to the guys at Nvidia themselves, i need to tune down a couple things (shaders, something else) to get around 38 fps at 720p...but i'm getting around 60 all maxed out ??
Not that i'm complaining, but i don't understand.
Might even try overclocking a bit later.
Wolf Akela
Member
Is there any nice chart grouping desktop and mobile CPUs in tiers? Tomshwardware only has it for GPUs:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html
It's so useful when comparing laptop and desktop performance.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html
It's so useful when comparing laptop and desktop performance.
RibbedHero
Member
Doesn't seem to include mobile CPUs, but here's the CPU tier list:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html
I've been so wrong. For some reason I really was under the impression that the gtx 670 wasn't worth it's price but mother of god this has to be the absolute best card I've gotten for my money.
Get that gigabyte 670 people. Get it now.
Get that gigabyte 670 people. Get it now.
For the couple of 2 hours i have been on youtube trying to find a video that will convince me of getting a MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC over the MSI N680GTX Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC.
they seem very close to each other performance wise. but still not convinced to get the 670.
the price difference is 114 euro's. I am going nuts!!!
they seem very close to each other performance wise. but still not convinced to get the 670.
the price difference is 114 euro's. I am going nuts!!!
duuude, 114 euro screw that get the 670 and either save all that money of spend it on a say SSD or something.
There's not a single person on gaf that wouldn't recommend 1 670 + 1 ssd > 1 680.
With the performance being almost the exact same why would you want to spend an extra 114 you don't need to?
That could go towards an SSD, or even a second 670.
Yeah, LGA2011 socket machines can get pretty expensive, I'd advise going with LGA1155 and a 3770K unless you desperately need 6 cores or 64GB of RAM. As far as motherboards to pair with the 3770K go, make sure to get something based on the Z77 chipset, as it'll allow you to overclock the 3770K. Each manufacturer will have a number of boards based on the chipset, so check through each of them from ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, etc. until you find one with the features you need for a decent price.
One thing to make sure you get is an SSD. I don't know much about music production, but if it's anything like any other multimedia computing, an SSD should help enormously.
legacyzero
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Question?
What is the best GPU I can buy seeing as I only have an AMD 955 Quad Core. I've only got a 4890 right now.
I've been thinking about a 6950 or even a 7850. BUT I'm also heavily considering dropping ATI and going to Nvidia. I just dont want any bottlenecking. I DO however want to do a FULL upgrade come tax time, with a new mobo/cpu.
What is the best GPU I can buy seeing as I only have an AMD 955 Quad Core. I've only got a 4890 right now.
I've been thinking about a 6950 or even a 7850. BUT I'm also heavily considering dropping ATI and going to Nvidia. I just dont want any bottlenecking. I DO however want to do a FULL upgrade come tax time, with a new mobo/cpu.
If you're considering nVidia I'd wait to see what the 660 Ti brings and whether it changes AMD's pricing, although the 660 Ti will no doubt be out of your budget if you're looking at 6950/7850 as it's being priced to compete with the 7950.
If it were me what I'd do is OC your 955 and get a 7850, it's in my view the sweet spot for mid-range cards. 4GHz should be attainable with the 955.
Wolf Akela
Member
Yeah, it's actually what I found earlier, but I still need tiers for the mobile chips.
I would like to thank mkenyon for helping me EXTENSIVELY on this build. There are some things I'm adding that could have been replaced with something cheaper/better, but I'm going with a certain black polished aluminum look to the inside of the case. mkenyon is probably going to shake his head at some of these choices.
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II $349.99
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77 249.99
GPU: EVGA GTX 690 Hydro Copper 1199.99
Power Supply: Corsair AX 850 189.99
CPU: Intel i7 3770K 339.99
SSD: Crucial M4 128 GB 109.99
Ram: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB 1866 169.99
HDD: Seagate 3TB 7200RPM 149.99
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow 103.99
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 24" 120hz 391.00
Mouse: steelseries Sensei 79.99
BD Drive: LG 14x BD-R OEM 59.99
Wireless: D-Link DWA 556 58.99
LIQUID COOLING
Radiators:
EK CoolStream 120 XT Series 44.99
EK CoolStream 360XT 82.95
Corsair Air Series SP120 x 4 60.00
Pump Reservoir Combo:
XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Black Reservoir - w/ D5 Variant Pump Installed - 159.99
CPU Block:
Koolance CPU 370 87.99
Fittings and Tubing ~ Around 150.00 - 200.00 depending on how I set this up.
If there is a better Block that the CPU 370 that has the same finish to it I would like to know. Also, I'm think 128gb is enough for a SSD since I'll keep games that I'm not currently playing on he 3TB HDD and switch them out in the Steam folder on the SD to have the best loading time.
Thanks again to mkenyon for helping me out way more than I could ever imagine. Can't wait to start building this monster. Will post picks and even more thanks later.
Getting all of these components from Newegg, EVGA.com, and Frozen CPU.
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos II $349.99
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77 249.99
GPU: EVGA GTX 690 Hydro Copper 1199.99
Power Supply: Corsair AX 850 189.99
CPU: Intel i7 3770K 339.99
SSD: Crucial M4 128 GB 109.99
Ram: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB 1866 169.99
HDD: Seagate 3TB 7200RPM 149.99
Keyboard: Razer BlackWidow 103.99
Monitor: BenQ XL2420T 24" 120hz 391.00
Mouse: steelseries Sensei 79.99
BD Drive: LG 14x BD-R OEM 59.99
Wireless: D-Link DWA 556 58.99
LIQUID COOLING
Radiators:
EK CoolStream 120 XT Series 44.99
EK CoolStream 360XT 82.95
Corsair Air Series SP120 x 4 60.00
Pump Reservoir Combo:
XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Black Reservoir - w/ D5 Variant Pump Installed - 159.99
CPU Block:
Koolance CPU 370 87.99
Fittings and Tubing ~ Around 150.00 - 200.00 depending on how I set this up.
If there is a better Block that the CPU 370 that has the same finish to it I would like to know. Also, I'm think 128gb is enough for a SSD since I'll keep games that I'm not currently playing on he 3TB HDD and switch them out in the Steam folder on the SD to have the best loading time.
Thanks again to mkenyon for helping me out way more than I could ever imagine. Can't wait to start building this monster. Will post picks and even more thanks later.
Getting all of these components from Newegg, EVGA.com, and Frozen CPU.
I have that 670, the difference in performance between it and a 680 is nominal ...... Not 114 euros worth.
Gaf I have a question, I have one gtx 680 now, but plan on upgrading to another this week.
How I go about downloading drivers for the second card? Do I have to uninstall anything or do I just go to nvidia.com and download the same driver again? Dumb question I know, thanks for any help.
How I go about downloading drivers for the second card? Do I have to uninstall anything or do I just go to nvidia.com and download the same driver again? Dumb question I know, thanks for any help.
What could be more worth a 670 anywhere near that price range?
660/Ti. Don't limit your card now when you'll upgrade later.
That would appear to be out of his price range if he's looking at the 6950/7850.
The Ti model is going to be priced to compete with the 7950, and there's been no word on when the non-Ti will land.
Infinite Justice
Member
My setup:
MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC artnr. 518473 : stukprijs a 382,86
Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H artnr. 497340 : stukprijs a 113,07
Corsair Enthusiast Series Modular TX750M artnr. 434498 : stukprijs a 109,98
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a 78,97
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a 316,85
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM artnr. 527129 : 170,27
I was wondering If I could change the Cooler Master HAF X with another casing. the coller master HAF X is expensive for a case. what you guy's think?
MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC artnr. 518473 : stukprijs a 382,86
Gigabyte GA-Z77MX-D3H artnr. 497340 : stukprijs a 113,07
Corsair Enthusiast Series Modular TX750M artnr. 434498 : stukprijs a 109,98
Corsair Hydro Series H70 CORE High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler artnr. 448680 : stukprijs a 78,97
Intel Core i7 3770K / 3.5 GHz artnr. 485488 : stukprijs a 316,85
WD Caviar Green WD20EARX artnr. 404841 : stukprijs a 106,99
Kingston ValueRAM artnr. 527129 : 170,27
I was wondering If I could change the Cooler Master HAF X with another casing. the coller master HAF X is expensive for a case. what you guy's think?
Infinite Justice
Member
Apparently Caviar Greens suck (its in the OP) so get a Caviar Black instead if you can.
Why is your RAM so expensive? Make sure you are getting 1.5V DDR3 1333-1600 for best value.
Also I'd swap the WD Green for another HDD if you are using it as your OS drive.
Any mid size and up case should be fine.
They don't suck, but last I checked (a while ago) they had head parking issues and were not good as an OS drive. As data storage they are ok, but the Samsungs are still better HDDs.
Infinite Justice
Member
Oh ok and does the Samsung with Seagate branding ones count as well?
He's buying 32GB worth.
TouchMyBox
Member
Does anybody know how to make my monitor use EDID data for colour temperature using NVIDIA drivers? AMD's drivers made this very easy to do, and my monitor on one of my computers looks like complete crap with window's default colour temperature settings. I don't see anything regarding colour temperature in the nvidia control panel.
got any recommendation that will work fine with the H70 (placing it) ?
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