The Frankman
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45182775&postcount=6498
EDIT: just saw the ASUS DRW-24B1ST on NewEgg. Now to find a HD.
EDIT: just saw the ASUS DRW-24B1ST on NewEgg. Now to find a HD.
"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. Ivy, SSDs, and reading the OP. [Part 2]
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If its just for the OS, get an SSD. Btw what is wrong with using IDE?
just a single Western Digital Caviar Green 2 TB SATA II and an iHAS dvd burner, is all i've added to it so far. its basically all stock from when the original buyer bought it in july of 2010. the hard drive died, he didnt want "the hassle of getting it fixed." sold me it for basically nothing, i was going to sell it, but decided i may as well throw a few hundred into and have myself a decent rig for when my xbox finally dies.
itll be connected to a 1080p hdtv(not that it matters)
Get an Antec BP550. Plenty of power, not too expensive.
And yes, X79 time. This socket is going to be alive for a long while.
I am reading some user reports that the MP is CPU dependent. One of the first tests for ZFZ labs will be MP game performance. The only issue is that hours of BF3 will need to be played in order to get decent results, and that game is terrible!
And yes, X79 time. This socket is going to be alive for a long while.
The Frankman
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ColonelSkills
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Thank you for this. Further questions, if I may.
1) Added issues with streaming, if I am trying to broadcast (or would like to try my hand at it) of my friends and our goofing off bullshit. The extra CPU load for this is a big enough deal to stick with the 3770 or would the 3570 suffice?
2) Is this just a brand/overpaying for the name kind of deal?
3) I really, really dig the aesthetic for the Level 10. I think it's because I have terrible taste in design. And that's fine. I am willing to pay a bit of a premium for it simply for the aesthetic, because it offers no other practical benefits. If you know of any issues it might have versus those other listed cases (other than simply price concerns), I'm all ears, though. (Yeah I'm all about white, too)
4) Much obliged, thank you.
I'm concerned about that degree of OC (because I've not done an OC of that magnitude before) when you're talking about 4.5 for UE3 titles. Hopefully it won't be much of an issue with one of those heat sinks you mentioned.
Yeah, that's actually the exact article I was reading not too long ago. I am glad the second opinion agrees.
w/r/t the 7970. I have had previous bad experiences with radeons, to the point where I've migrated to nvidia pretty much by default with my builds. But then again I haven't done one in four years, hence asking in this thread. Maybe I've just had disproportionately bad luck in the past.
I require the amp, actually. At least with the setup I'm contemplating. For the price, that seems like the right piece of hardware.
I plan on using this to stream a fair bit of content, and I imagine that'll be a potential issue, no?
Piercedveil
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Hmm, you're right. So that and a G850 would be a decent choice together?
If you are broadcasting, you absolutely must have a capture card. They're pricey, but the Black Magic Intensity Pro is pretty fantastic. You basically duplicate your output via your standard monitor as well as HDMI, which then plugs right into the BMIP. This offloads everything about capturing the video and compression. There is almost zero data loss. Check out www.twich.tv/kudochop, we built that system specifically for streaming Tribes: Ascend without any performance loss.
Yeah MP 64 player is what I normally play which is mostly likely the cause of the sudden and large drops. 32 player is much more consistent which makes sense less physics and model calculations.
And at least you can play with GAF =3
So I booted up Saints Row Three today for the second time (through steam) and after a couple of seconds my rig crashed and immediately rebooted. Should I be worried about this or is it just one of those things that may happen once in a while?
All I have installed on the PC are a few Metro apps, steam, Avast, malware bytes, spotify, and some drivers for my gfx card, so I can't imagine it was caused by any of my installed programs.
When I started the game after reboot the image appeared to be in windowed mode without the borders and showed the live Steam big picture wallpaper chugging in the background. Just had to select fullscreen and 1900x1280 resolution to get the image back to its right size.
All I have installed on the PC are a few Metro apps, steam, Avast, malware bytes, spotify, and some drivers for my gfx card, so I can't imagine it was caused by any of my installed programs.
When I started the game after reboot the image appeared to be in windowed mode without the borders and showed the live Steam big picture wallpaper chugging in the background. Just had to select fullscreen and 1900x1280 resolution to get the image back to its right size.
Coolermaster 690II on sale for $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216&Tpk=11-119-216
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216&Tpk=11-119-216
Try OBS and it's new game capture plugin, I can encode 30 FPS, 10000KBs, super fast profile, 1280x800 video with no frame rate problems (compared to the huge framerate hit I took with DXTORY doing the screen capture) on a 4.4Ghz i5 (it also kind of works up to 100000KBs, using what I think is a lossless setting).
Infinite Justice
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buy it people
The Frankman
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soooooo close... just need a 2nd HDD and to buy the Asus DVD burner.
KamikazeTY
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I'm in love with Corsair 400R. Combine this tower with a modular PSU and a blind man could make his cabling look beautiful. Fantastic cable management tower.
Charrettizard
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009NHAF06/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Samsung 840s for a little under a $100 on Amazon. I'm thinking about biting, but I heard there were some issues with the 840 when it launched. Anyone have experience with 840 series and how does it compare to the 830s?
Samsung 840s for a little under a $100 on Amazon. I'm thinking about biting, but I heard there were some issues with the 840 when it launched. Anyone have experience with 840 series and how does it compare to the 830s?
830 or 840 Pro man. Don't even consider the 840 regular.
I'd take the 830 over the 840 Pro simply because of price.
I'm curious, what's your cost on this build? It looks like a solid budget build.
Infinite Justice
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AScotAbroad
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Hey Gaf - longtime lurker here who finally got his new PC build together and aww hell it don't work
Here's my specs (built from scratch): http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/lrOu.
Hooked everything up, started out well when I pressed the power button on the case and the BIOS boots up - but it complains that the current CMS settings don't fully support the boot device (the CPU and 16Gb of RAM are correctly displayed on the boot screen). Trawling through the BIOS screens gives me a list of all the potential SATA ports on the mobo, and they all say "Empty".
My DVD drive doesn't eject when I press the button - should that be the first sign that it's likely a problem with the modular PSU? The GFX card is powering up and in fact I tested all this with HDMI from the card to my TV so I know that's functioning at least. My 2Tb HDD doesn't appear to spin up either, and I've tried switching all the SATA power cables around (the PSU came with a bunch).
Any ideas? My mate is bringing his spare Corsair PSU round tonight so we can try testing with that one, but I'm curious if anyone else here has had this problem, since I took most of these parts from Hazaro's awesome build table.
Here's my specs (built from scratch): http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/lrOu.
Hooked everything up, started out well when I pressed the power button on the case and the BIOS boots up - but it complains that the current CMS settings don't fully support the boot device (the CPU and 16Gb of RAM are correctly displayed on the boot screen). Trawling through the BIOS screens gives me a list of all the potential SATA ports on the mobo, and they all say "Empty".
My DVD drive doesn't eject when I press the button - should that be the first sign that it's likely a problem with the modular PSU? The GFX card is powering up and in fact I tested all this with HDMI from the card to my TV so I know that's functioning at least. My 2Tb HDD doesn't appear to spin up either, and I've tried switching all the SATA power cables around (the PSU came with a bunch).
Any ideas? My mate is bringing his spare Corsair PSU round tonight so we can try testing with that one, but I'm curious if anyone else here has had this problem, since I took most of these parts from Hazaro's awesome build table.
Infinite Justice
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Hey Gaf - longtime lurker here who finally got his new PC build together and aww hell it don't work
Here's my specs (built from scratch): http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/lrOu.
Hooked everything up, started out well when I pressed the power button on the case and the BIOS boots up - but it complains that the current CMS settings don't fully support the boot device (the CPU and 16Gb of RAM are correctly displayed on the boot screen). Trawling through the BIOS screens gives me a list of all the potential SATA ports on the mobo, and they all say "Empty".
My DVD drive doesn't eject when I press the button - should that be the first sign that it's likely a problem with the modular PSU? The GFX card is powering up and in fact I tested all this with HDMI from the card to my TV so I know that's functioning at least. My 2Tb HDD doesn't appear to spin up either, and I've tried switching all the SATA power cables around (the PSU came with a bunch).
Any ideas? My mate is bringing his spare Corsair PSU round tonight so we can try testing with that one, but I'm curious if anyone else here has had this problem, since I took most of these parts from Hazaro's awesome build table.
well its powering everything else so it seems to be working and i would target the sata power cables tbh to see if the issue is there.
you are sure your sata devices are connected firmly (data and power to each device)?
also since its a modular PSU check to see if the cable that has the power connectors is connected firmly to the unit.
Hey Gaf - longtime lurker here who finally got his new PC build together and aww hell it don't work
Here's my specs (built from scratch): http://pcpartpicker.com/ca/p/lrOu.
Hooked everything up, started out well when I pressed the power button on the case and the BIOS boots up - but it complains that the current CMS settings don't fully support the boot device (the CPU and 16Gb of RAM are correctly displayed on the boot screen). Trawling through the BIOS screens gives me a list of all the potential SATA ports on the mobo, and they all say "Empty".
My DVD drive doesn't eject when I press the button - should that be the first sign that it's likely a problem with the modular PSU? The GFX card is powering up and in fact I tested all this with HDMI from the card to my TV so I know that's functioning at least. My 2Tb HDD doesn't appear to spin up either, and I've tried switching all the SATA power cables around (the PSU came with a bunch).
Any ideas? My mate is bringing his spare Corsair PSU round tonight so we can try testing with that one, but I'm curious if anyone else here has had this problem, since I took most of these parts from Hazaro's awesome build table.
Would an HDD that hasn't been initialized even be shown in the boot list in the BIOS? If you make a bootable USB of windows or linux does it allow you to select the 2TB HDD? Perhaps it's just the optical drive itself that's dead.
Otherwise try alternating SATA power/data cables and try using different SATA ports on the motherboard. I'm kind of leaning towards power though as I would expect an powered optical drive to open up even if there is no SATA connection to it.
Wow. I paid $80-90 for mine and it has been worth every penny. Amazing deal.
Edit: Nevermind, this is the older USB 2.0 version. It's not a bad case but it's not the same as the 690 II Advanced USB 3.0 edition. Going through the pictures it might just be the I/O panel that is different. Everything else inside seems the same.
Yes it would showin BIOS. If its not in BIOS it will not show in an OS to initialize.
Infinite Justice
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since you are not shackled to a team i have seen a few in the thread hyping the 7950 at that price point, plus it comes with some free games (Far Cry 3, Hitman and Sleeping Dogs).
for nvidia the 660 ti is a candidate at that price range but some are concerned about its lower amount of memory bandwidth (especially if you push a high resolution and good high AA and AF. So the recommended choice instead is the 670, but thats $100 more at least
edit this MSI Twin Frozr 4 670 is 389 and comes with free Borderlands 2 and AC3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127685
Motherboards come with no IDE ports?
Infinite Justice
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
Hmm, this no-IDE thing might be a problem when I build the new PC, I think my optical drive is IDE (but could be wrong). How would I install Windows? Actually, do they still require a reinstall for an all new rig or will it work if I just stick my old HDDs in the new rig, just by installing new chipset drivers and what not all over again? I never really understood why the CPU and motherboard and what not can't be configured at will like this and instead everyone recommended an all new Windows install back when I last checked on the issue (pre-XP possibly) even though you could still update the drivers just fine when a new version was coming.
The Frankman
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Yep, I had forgot since I bought my board in 2006 (brain cramp).*i refer to IDE and those PATA connectors as one in the same*
yea, its just SATA connectors now on these new boards to connect hard drives, SSDs and optical drives.
so this thing
and in extension, this thing
gone (at least in regards to general consumer stuff)
Still looking to see if anything else is better preicewise than these, if anyone knows a better drive/deal send it plz:
Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
Western Digital WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLHX 300GB 10000 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive.
The 750 GB one that's SATA I plan to strip all windows stuff out and make it just for my pictures/data, whichever one I buy is the OS drive I guess.
Horsemama1956
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Just make a USB install with whichever version of windows you are going to use before building your new PC. It's faster as well. MS has pretty straight forward instructions and software to do it.
I guess I'm already dead. I don't feel like spending money on a sata DVD since I don't know how often I'd use it*i refer to IDE and those PATA connectors as one in the same*
yea, its just SATA connectors now on these new boards to connect hard drives, SSDs and optical drives.
so this thing
and in extension, this thing
gone (at least in regards to general consumer stuff)
The Frankman
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They're dirt cheap nowadays unless you want Blu-Ray in there, get the ASUS DRW-24B1ST in Hazaro's build. Only $25 on NewEgg.
I had a Pioneer 16x DVD+r 8x DVD+RW DVR-109 DVD Burner in my old computer.
Sucker worked for over 8 years with pretty heavy use. No complaints, Hell it's still working and now I have to jettison it. Sad.
If its not dried up, its good.
Cannon Goose
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How do I make it so this fun, totally not annoying at all window never pops up again?
Happens during games occasionally.
Happens during games occasionally.
Infinite Justice
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you can get a SATA version of the drive for really cheap or instead install via a USB flash drive.
As for moving over i'm not sure since i don't remember myself being in that situation before (i either get a new HDD and install the OS on that or i get a new HDD via a completely separate system i.e getting a laptop)
if you need a OS drive get an SSD, i highly recommend it for the crazy low boot time due to the speed. If you feel paranoid about the life expectantcy (i don't think it will die too quickly tbh) just follow the info in the OP about what to enable/disable so it will last longer (iirc constant writes is the main culprit so the info deals with those).
if you really dont see yourself using it much then you dont have to get one and use usb instead (flash drives, external HDDs, etc, install OS with a flash drive if needed). I hardly burn anything anymore so i'm mostly on that path.
oyherwise just buy a SATA one since they are cheap these days ($15 and over) and effectively replaces the ide versions.
yea it felt bad man
i was really salty when it finally dawned on me that my HDD and DVD Burner would not make it, plus i was on the "getting new parts" high/bliss just a moment before
How do I make it so this fun, totally not annoying at all window never pops up again?
Happens during games occasionally.
It pops up again after picking the third option?
This would be my choice if it were in stock
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414
since it's not then either the MSI Twin Frozr III or Sapphire (there is three different ones for them) variants are your best bet.
It's beyond your budget but just to tempt you in the quote below there is a link to the 7970 for $40 over your budget. This is the rough difference before any overclocking on the old drivers (12.11 brings another performance boost, but it's applicable to all 7xxx cards) http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/645?vs=618
7970 is a better buy at less money imo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008
Cannon Goose
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Yes it does. It came up a few days ago and I selected that option only to have it come up again this evening.
In the performance options for the desktop appearance there's a 'Let Windows Choose the best settings for me' option, but I have that set to custom so I'm not sure why it's even popping up at all.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but anyway, my memory slots suddenly started screwing up today, ram only works in slot 0 and 1.. 2 and 3 are completely dead which means I am running my ram in single channel mode currently.
Is there any real world performance differences I should be worried about? I'm still on P55 with an 860 and don't really want to waste money on getting a new P55 board and/or CPU depending on where the fault is when I'm planning on upgrading to Haswell later on.
Just had to happen the day after I bought an 8GB ram kit and an SSD ;_;
PS I've tried everything I can think of to fix this; updating BIOS, clearing CMOS etc nothing seems to work.
EDIT: This seems to indicate it's not a big problem: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/PARALLEL-PROCESSING,1705-11.html
Is there any real world performance differences I should be worried about? I'm still on P55 with an 860 and don't really want to waste money on getting a new P55 board and/or CPU depending on where the fault is when I'm planning on upgrading to Haswell later on.
Just had to happen the day after I bought an 8GB ram kit and an SSD ;_;
PS I've tried everything I can think of to fix this; updating BIOS, clearing CMOS etc nothing seems to work.
EDIT: This seems to indicate it's not a big problem: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/PARALLEL-PROCESSING,1705-11.html
I'm in the same boat - have an old IDE optic drive and a new board that doesn't support it. What about getting a IDE to SATA adapter?
Yeah the dont know show me again doesn't actually do anything. It happens when your video card is very low on VRAM. Few things you can do, turn off aero permanently, lower aa usage in your games or get a new GPU with more VRAM. Not very good options but I'm sure if you dig around google there may be a registry edit or something to disable that warning.
I feel like i am back in the year 2001 when dvd-rw drives were like $300+(Actually i think cd-rw were around 300 and dvd was like over 1000!). I don't understand why this is a concern, and why u would go through the trouble of buying an adapter.
Why not spend the extra 10 bucks and just buy a brand newSata drive?
I don't know maybe im missing something here! ;P
The Frankman
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The thing is speed of boot isn't too big an issue (it only takes slightly over a minute to boot up right now anyway). Do most SSD's last 5+ years? I know the amount of program read-erase cycles matter, and I'd be looking for anything that lasts awhile that's inexpensive.
I'm really hitting the higher end of my budget, considering I may need a new video card also, and I'd want a fairly sizable drive for the new OS install/a few large programs.
Go_Ly_Dow
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hey guys! would really appreciate the verdict on this Sony Vaio E Series.
Your configuration
Processor: Intel® CoreTM i5-3210M, 2.5GHz
Operating system: Windows 8
Finishes: White
Keyboard Style: Standard keyboard
Hard drive: 500 GB Serial ATA (5400 rpm)
Memory: 4 GB 1600 MHz DDR3-SDRAM
Optical Drive: Blu-ray Disc(TM) player
Display: 39.5cm LED 1366 x 768 + webcam
Graphics: AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7650M 1GB
Battery: Battery life up to 4 hours
Price = 489pounds
for 20 pounds more i can upgrade to this graphics card if it makes a huge difference:
AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7650M with dedicated Video Memory of 2 GB
gaming isn't my priority with this thing, but would it run dolphin at any decent standards for example?
Your configuration
Processor: Intel® CoreTM i5-3210M, 2.5GHz
Operating system: Windows 8
Finishes: White
Keyboard Style: Standard keyboard
Hard drive: 500 GB Serial ATA (5400 rpm)
Memory: 4 GB 1600 MHz DDR3-SDRAM
Optical Drive: Blu-ray Disc(TM) player
Display: 39.5cm LED 1366 x 768 + webcam
Graphics: AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7650M 1GB
Battery: Battery life up to 4 hours
Price = 489pounds
for 20 pounds more i can upgrade to this graphics card if it makes a huge difference:
AMD Radeon(TM) HD 7650M with dedicated Video Memory of 2 GB
gaming isn't my priority with this thing, but would it run dolphin at any decent standards for example?
If you have a tight budget, i wouldn't stress about SSD. The boot time is nice and everything, but not at the expense of storage. Id rather have a couple tb of storage vs a 64 gig boot drive and a small storage drive.
I'm hoping to only have to use it once to install Windows and then I want to take it out of my case altogether. I can get a new one for $25 or so, sure. And I may end up doing that, I'm just seeing if there's an alternative.
You dont need an optical drive to install windows, Just load it up on a USB stick. There is a guide in this forums somewhere http://www.sevenforums.com/.... I have done it... its really easy.
Nope. There are more powerful GPUs doing well with 1GB RAM. The GPU itself is the same in both.
kittoo
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While I dont think the graphics card update will make huge difference in most cases, it will also depend on the resolution you play on. If its full HD or above, more graphics memory is a good thing. If thats the case, its only 20 pounds, I would say go for it.
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