Using an old HDD is fine, but keep in mind how old it is. If the drive is like 5 years old or something you should understand that it can go bad. Well any HDD can go bad, but the older they are the more you are risking it. I currently have a storage drive in my rig that I have had for 3 years through 3 CPU/Mobo/Graphics/Case changes.
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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 1. Haswell, Crysis 3, and secret fairy sauce. Read da OP
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Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Awwww shit! 
I remember when I was in middle school and I scoured eBay for a computer under $500 with dreams of purchasing it and a $69 Radeon 9200 at Walmart to play Counter Strike. Never thought I'd splurge that much on a case alone. Time for potatoes for dinner for the next month ;p
That puts my current parts list at:
LD-V7
128GB M4 for boot drive
480GB OWC 6G for games
4GB GTX670 x2
Blu-Ray burner
I remember when I was in middle school and I scoured eBay for a computer under $500 with dreams of purchasing it and a $69 Radeon 9200 at Walmart to play Counter Strike. Never thought I'd splurge that much on a case alone. Time for potatoes for dinner for the next month ;p
That puts my current parts list at:
LD-V7
128GB M4 for boot drive
480GB OWC 6G for games
4GB GTX670 x2
Blu-Ray burner
woo and indeed hoo
Banned
Thanks. I'm leaning towards forgoing the upgrade in GPU you suggested and upgrading the case and adding a CPU fan instead. This will not be a gaming pc per se so keeping it quieter is a higher priority for me. Besides, I can always upgrade the GPU aspect later. Also, given that gaming on my current pc is unpossible [sic] any gaming at all will be nice!
I've tweaked my quote and will give it an hour or two to mull it over before I make the order. I'll let you know how I get on. Thanks once again for all you kind help and advice.Don't let the cord have as much slack to weigh it down. Tie up some ends with whatever you have.
Do it all the time.
Get a real 670 with a good cooler than the FTW unless you need it for aesthetic purposes though
eBay buyer protection is ridiculous to the point where I try to not sell anything on there and only deal on forums / CL.
It should be pretty solid for buying if you aren't on a tech forum or don't meet their B/S/T section requirements.
I'd rather a card be overclocked so I know how fast it can go.
Looks like a nice budget build. Nab an SSD and keep using your old drive it it reports good (Use Seatools to check).
Thanks. I'm leaning towards forgoing the upgrade in GPU you suggested and upgrading the case and adding a CPU fan instead. This will not be a gaming pc per se so keeping it quieter is a higher priority for me. Besides, I can always upgrade the GPU aspect later. Also, given that gaming on my current pc is unpossible [sic] any gaming at all will be nice!
If you're not looking for something hugely powerful for gaming (but still want good results) look at the Nvidia GTX 650 Ti Boost or the AMD 7850 for the GPU.
woo and indeed hoo
Banned
Thanks, will do
. I'll stick with the default AMD Radeon HD 7770 1GB initially and upgrade to one of those you mention if I really get into pc gaming and decide I need the extra oomph. Right now though, a quieter pc is more of a priority.Thanks, will do
For the 7770 the quietness will all depend on the cooler too.
For a pre-built option take a look at the Alienware X51 too, some good deals on it floating around from time to time. Even eBay for 'refurbished' models where you can get a top end Alienware X51 with an i7 3770, 8Gb Ram 2TB Hdd and a GTX 660 for £780 (which I know is too much but it's the top end model).
woo and indeed hoo
Banned
The CPU cooler?
Thanks, will do. Will have a google before I finally decide on the Dino PC deal, or not. Must stir my stumps now and get on with some real life stuff!
GPU one as well as the CPU one. Anything with a fan basically lol
Cpt.Underpants
Member
Having a bit of a problem here
On startup, I get an message "CPU fan error", no idea how to resolve this.
Mobo can read my hard drives but its just having a hard time booting my old hd, the only option is going to system restore but its gets stuck to continue
hallp
On startup, I get an message "CPU fan error", no idea how to resolve this.
Mobo can read my hard drives but its just having a hard time booting my old hd, the only option is going to system restore but its gets stuck to continue
hallp
musicjunkie
Neo Member
What's your current favorite 670? Still the GIGABYTE 670?Get a real 670 with a good cooler than the FTW unless you need it for aesthetic purposes though
Doh! I completely missed that...
one of my friends got his hand on the new MSI GT 70 with Haswell processor extreme
and Geforce 780m GTX
http://translate.google.com/transla...www.adslgate.com/dsl/showthread.php?t=1555545
its an Arabic forum..so, i'll translate most of it
first thing, he got this laptop from some one from msi saudi arabia , just for testing
spec:
processor :i7 4930MX (Extreme Edition)
GPU: Geforce GTX 780M - 4GB DDR5
RAM: 16 GB DDR3 1600mhz
disk: 3X msata drive RIAD0 from Sandisk ( 1500 mb read speed and 860 write speed )
1x WD 750GB black
internal GPU :intel 4600HD
blue ray drive
dynaudio audio speakers
photos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofXupG58-e8
windows 8 boot in less then 10 seconds
he said the laptop will released after 2 month
it will released first as with normal i7 and GTX 770M
and GTX 780M with any i7 processor you chose
and Geforce 780m GTX
http://translate.google.com/transla...www.adslgate.com/dsl/showthread.php?t=1555545
its an Arabic forum..so, i'll translate most of it
first thing, he got this laptop from some one from msi saudi arabia , just for testing
spec:
processor :i7 4930MX (Extreme Edition)
GPU: Geforce GTX 780M - 4GB DDR5
RAM: 16 GB DDR3 1600mhz
disk: 3X msata drive RIAD0 from Sandisk ( 1500 mb read speed and 860 write speed )
1x WD 750GB black
internal GPU :intel 4600HD
blue ray drive
dynaudio audio speakers
photos
3D mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofXupG58-e8
windows 8 boot in less then 10 seconds
he said the laptop will released after 2 month
it will released first as with normal i7 and GTX 770M
and GTX 780M with any i7 processor you chose
Thanks for the heads up about Amazon. My friend delayed buying the parts to this morning so hopefully we get a good deal for him on Amazon.
Infinite Justice
Member
Dark Souls
Mr. Wonderful
Member
Nice specs and cool looking keyboard, but that thing looks way too bulky for what we'll able to get in 2013 with Haswell processors.
woo and indeed hoo
Banned
LOL gotcha
. I'm waiting for Dino PC to call me back to confirm they've corrected their site snafu so I can customise and place my order. So excited! Thanks
. Looks fun! That's on my 'must play' list when I finally get a PS360 at the end of the gen .not that much, you must see origin laptops first, those things are very bulky , it has the same design of the original GT 70 from last year nothing change
they are also gonna release GX 70 and GE 40 ( a thin medium range gaming laptop with GTX 760M-750M )
Not sure. Maybe $1.5K USD or less. What kind of PC can I get for that? Will it play modern games in 1080p @ 60fps (locked) on Ultra settings? Thanks!
woo and indeed hoo
Banned
Thanks once again kharma45 for being so awesome in helping me decide on my order.
In the end it's costing me just over £900! Welp! Effectively double what I originally intended to pay and over my max budget but fuckit!
I added a CPU cooler, went for a more expensive but quieter case and took your advice by going for the AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB, plus I chucked in a webcam too.
I told the sales guy who rang me back to confirm that they'd sorted out the site issue so I could place my order that even though I'm 47 years old I feel like a four year old waiting for Santa! I'm so excited now I want to jump up and down on the spot like an over excited child!
Given that this is the pc I've been using for the last ten years I think I'm entitled to be excited:
Windows XP
Intel Celeron CPU 2.53 GHz
759MB RAM
Intel 8245G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Feel free to laugh/wince/cry/have your head explode at those awesome specs!
In the end it's costing me just over £900! Welp! Effectively double what I originally intended to pay and over my max budget but fuckit!
I added a CPU cooler, went for a more expensive but quieter case and took your advice by going for the AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB, plus I chucked in a webcam too.
I told the sales guy who rang me back to confirm that they'd sorted out the site issue so I could place my order that even though I'm 47 years old I feel like a four year old waiting for Santa! I'm so excited now I want to jump up and down on the spot like an over excited child!
Given that this is the pc I've been using for the last ten years I think I'm entitled to be excited:
Windows XP
Intel Celeron CPU 2.53 GHz
759MB RAM
Intel 8245G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Feel free to laugh/wince/cry/have your head explode at those awesome specs!
Yes, easily. For that money you could throw together an i7, 7970, Gold rated PSU, SSD and a Fractal R4 for example.
Thanks once again kharma45 for being so awesome in helping me decide on my order.
In the end it's costing me just over £900! Welp! Effectively double what I originally intended to pay and over my max budget but fuckit!
I added a CPU cooler, went for a more expensive but quieter case and took your advice by going for the AMD Radeon HD 7850 2GB, plus I chucked in a webcam too.
I told the sales guy who rang me back to confirm that they'd sorted out the site issue so I could place my order that even though I'm 47 years old I feel like a four year old waiting for Santa! I'm so excited now I want to jump up and down on the spot like an over excited child!
Given that this is the pc I've been using for the last ten years I think I'm entitled to be excited:
Windows XP
Intel Celeron CPU 2.53 GHz
759MB RAM
Intel 8245G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller
Feel free to laugh/wince/cry/have your head explode at those awesome specs!
Well I wasn't much help as I couldn't see much to match Dino PC lol. It's easy to spend more than you've budgeted but you've got a much better GPU than that 7770 you were originally looking at for a starter and should last a lot better.
woo and indeed hoo
Banned
Ah but you were
. You held my hand [figuratively speaking] whilst I navigated an unfamiliar alien environment!Yes, I'm really happy with what I finally decided on, despite the expense. This should last me a good five years or more with any luck.
CountertopTable
Neo Member
From this gif
Thanks
I almost screamed just looking at the gif from my memory of new game + going through that area. The horror...... the horror......
I only had a 64gb SSD in my machine when I first finished building. Didn't even miss the space at the time, the speed was such the gamechanger. Have another Samsung 840 in there now, but, like you say, having the limited amount of space was actually manageable for a bit--Have a couple games installed at a time, delete when finished, etc
Afterburner works best for me, though you can also try PrecisionX or Trixx
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PC GAF, any of you guys getting the Shield?
Depends on the card. AMD or NVIDIA?
AMD - Trixx, NVIDIA - Precision X.
*edit* yeah, what Miizy said.
I'm not talking about spending additional money on an SSD. You have to have storage. I'm talking about the difference between spending $50-80 on a 500GB-1TB HDD, or spending $80 on a 128GB SSD. I'll take the latter option, and I think it's a better option for most people.
Yerp. I've seen the light. I will never go the other way again.
It's got to be one of the best improvements someone can make. It truly is a generational change.
So I'm having some issues overclocking my 3570k and was wondering if someone could help me out.
I'm actually noticing my computer gets slower and more unresponsive as I up the clock. Windows even told me my computer is unresponsive and opted to turn off aero. I can't even accomplish a simple overclock to say, 4ghz without my computer freaking out and bluescreening after a while. I've only played with the voltage a teeny bit but it doesn't help at all. Motherboard problem? Powersupply problem? Or just a bad CPU?
Using a Gigabyte Z77-D3H mobo and a 550 corsair psu.
I'm actually noticing my computer gets slower and more unresponsive as I up the clock. Windows even told me my computer is unresponsive and opted to turn off aero. I can't even accomplish a simple overclock to say, 4ghz without my computer freaking out and bluescreening after a while. I've only played with the voltage a teeny bit but it doesn't help at all. Motherboard problem? Powersupply problem? Or just a bad CPU?
Using a Gigabyte Z77-D3H mobo and a 550 corsair psu.
I'm sure it's something you are doing in BIOS. I can walk you through overclocking on that board in mumble this evening if you'd like.
Few things to check right off the bat though.
1) Make sure that load line calibration is set to high/extreme.
2) Increase ratio, not turbo.
3) Set voltage to ~1.25, and scale back as each stress test passes.
4) Turn off C1E and all the various hibernate/sleep/idle functions.
5) Try turning off Speed Stepping for the time being to see if that helps.
That'd be cool. Yeah, you're probably right. I'll try things out first though and see if I can't just get it running normally. Can't do it for a few hours because of work.
1. Definitely did this.
2. Definitely did this.
3. Didn't do this.
4. Didn't do this, either. Is this done through the BIOS?
5. No idea what this is so I probably didn't do this either :x
1. Definitely did this.
2. Definitely did this.
3. Didn't do this.
4. Didn't do this, either. Is this done through the BIOS?
5. No idea what this is so I probably didn't do this either :x
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
Haggling with a guy on Craigslist for a 660ti ( Asus DCU 2GB). If I can get him down to $175 is it a worthwhile upgrade from my 1GB 6870?
Before messing with the C1E/Sleep state/Hibernate/Speed Stepping stuff, up your voltage. There's two schools of thought when it comes to figuring out voltage.
A) Start small, and increase until stable.
B) Start big, and decrease until stable.
The latter allows some wiggle room in calling it 'good enough', so you can do kind of a quick and dirty overclock. Though you might be supplying a bit more volts than necessary, the only thing you are really missing out on is possibly lower temperatures.
An overclock of 4.2-4.4 should be absolutely no issue.
*edit*
Also, every time you OC, you should run Prime 95 in Small FFT for ~10 minutes. Keep CPU-Z open during this process to watch the voltage and frequency to make sure it's not underclocking itself to remain stable.
If you want to reduce temps/power consumption (we're talking about 10ish watts at full load MAYBE that you will save), then restart, reduce volts a bit and repeat. Once you get to a point where the OC becomes unstable, go back to the last known stable voltage.
Once you have a good voltage temperature point, you let it run overnight or while you are at work. 12ish hours should do the trick fine. This is a lengthy stress test to ensure that you will not be running into any issues whatsoever.
jetsetfluken
Member
How would one compare the differences in performance between a 2.2ghz i7 and a 2.0ghz i7?
Run benchmarks?
jetsetfluken
Member
I can't, it's just some differences in products I'm browsing. Want to know if the extra 0.2 would make any difference in performance.
Yes, it will. In multithreaded applications (rendering, encoding, etc), you would see a ~10% improvement. In games, it will vary quite a bit. In stuff like UE3 games and Starcraft 2, there would be an improvement. In other games where the bottleneck is almost entirely GPU based, there would be nearly zero difference.
15" MacBook Pro? The bigger thing you need to look at for those models is the video card.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Not sure if this thread is the right place to ask, sorry if it's not.
I'm buying a new mouse for my computer. What is Mouse DPI? The one I'm buying (a Razer Taipan) has a 8200 DPI.
I'm guessing that's mouse sensitivity?
I'm buying a new mouse for my computer. What is Mouse DPI? The one I'm buying (a Razer Taipan) has a 8200 DPI.
I'm guessing that's mouse sensitivity?
Yeah, it's all pretty much worthless as no one uses that kind of sensitivity.
But also, don't buy the Taipan. Buy the Sensei Raw.
Beer Monkey
Member
Ugh, need to build new desktop, Micro Center has i7-3770k for $230....or wait for Haswell. Brain hurts.
EDIT: OK, so I'm assuming that Haswell (i7-4770k) is going to cost me about $80 more (I have to pay tax at Micro Center). Any guess on how much more expensive the motherboards will be over comparable Ivy Bridge boards at launch?
For gaming, would an i5-4670k Haswell be better than the current i7-3770k?
EDIT: OK, so I'm assuming that Haswell (i7-4770k) is going to cost me about $80 more (I have to pay tax at Micro Center). Any guess on how much more expensive the motherboards will be over comparable Ivy Bridge boards at launch?
For gaming, would an i5-4670k Haswell be better than the current i7-3770k?
I don't think you're going to be able to get a good answer to that until we have some hard evidence to see how well Haswell overclocks.
At this stage I would rather have the i7 but until next month it's hard to say confidently.
Go for it. Even if Haswell can OC to 5.9 GHz, that's not going to be very important in the long run.
$80 is a nice big chunk of change.
Motherboards will likely be almost the exact same price as current boards.
:O Never thought I'd see you say that
Beer Monkey
Member
So games are now using the extra threads and the extra cache?
Thanks for the advice, all.
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