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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine
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phxxBullet
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Wow sounds good. I guess I'll just hop into some stores and try out different switch types, that'll do it just fine hehe
zeroeffect
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I'm just curious as to why OP has the F3/F4 Samsung HDDs as bad now? Are the newer ones bad or is it because Seagate doesn't support them? I had one die a few years ago when Seagate bought them out and Seagate wouldn't replace it despite it being clearly under manufacturer warranty. Newegg actually sent me a brand new one instead and it was well over a year past their warranty which was cool. I never used it though. It's still wrapped in plastic. I'm just curious are they bad in performance now or something? Because if it's going to save me $60 on a new build I'm going to use it. I plan to get a SSD anyway to go with whatever HDD I use.
Powercolor has the R9 290 for $500-$550 at NCIX.
Seagate was selling them as SAMSUNG drives when they were actually SEAGATE drives.
Difference in everything was so vast it was absurd.
Built my first PC ever last night. Hardest thing I've ever done in my life. After 4 hours of sweat and cursing, I pushed the power button to witness... nothing. I was defeated, feeling like I wasted a $1000 on a brick. I must've shorted the motherboard or CPU, I thought. I cursed myself again for building in my carpeted bed room. It was already past 1am and I had to wake up for work in a few hours. I resigned myself to bed, wallowing in the scattered static-free plastic bags, assortment of screws and wires, and half-ripped boxes of forgotten components.
Looking longingly at the open case, its tangled mess of cables mocking me, an idea flickered in my head. I walked over to the case, feet still heavy with resentment, unplugged the power, grounded my hands on metal, flipped over the tiny connector with the label "POWER SW" and put it back in. I plugged the PC again, pressed the power, and --whirr. The lovely sight of the fans spinning and that ever so gentle whirr that purred for me. I would have cried tears of joy had I not wasted it on sweat and muttered curses. I had two thoughts -- one: worth and two: never again. Never again.
Looking longingly at the open case, its tangled mess of cables mocking me, an idea flickered in my head. I walked over to the case, feet still heavy with resentment, unplugged the power, grounded my hands on metal, flipped over the tiny connector with the label "POWER SW" and put it back in. I plugged the PC again, pressed the power, and --whirr. The lovely sight of the fans spinning and that ever so gentle whirr that purred for me. I would have cried tears of joy had I not wasted it on sweat and muttered curses. I had two thoughts -- one: worth and two: never again. Never again.
phxxBullet
Banned
When did Seagate buy their SSDs? Never heard of that. But also never cared about HDD business..
I've been running 2 F3s 1TB since late '10 without a problem. Are those old Samsungs or new Seagates?
Switches dont have polarity lol Maybe you plugged it one pin off the mark.
brain_stew
Member
That sucks. I was always a big fan of the Samsung Spinpoint drives, never had a bad experience.
Never again will you not boot first try? Absolutely.
Yeah. In some limited data sheets I've seen, they've had double the life of everything else.
phxxBullet
Banned
Your first build ended up like mine, but in the exact same way. Screwed up on the Power-connector and was mad and sad, angry and everything the whole night. Heard of many people who had the same problem. Nowadays it's one of the first things I recommend checking when it won't boot haha
That's odd since the POWER connector should work either way. (Right? Since shorting it with a screwdriver starts the system? Am I crazy?)
GJ though!
Samsung only sold their HDD business. Their SSDs use their own controllers and NAND.
Phanteks Enthoo Pro on HW Canucks YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBhmn21ylkc
$100 supposedly. This thing is pretty amazing for the price.
$100 supposedly. This thing is pretty amazing for the price.
phxxBullet
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No you're not, tried it once too, just cause I wanted to see if it really works. But wouldn't do that for every day usage hahaha
Ah I see, guess that's why there are almost no Samsung branded HDDs around..
Holy freakin hell. That is beautiful. And for that price!
Any word on airflow through the case? I might just pick this up to prep for my future build.
edit: It seems like it's pretty damn good. http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cases/2014/05/06/phanteks-enthoo-pro-review/1
edit2: It doesn't seem to be available in the states yet :/
swaggerbot3000
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can someone look this over? suggestions welcome...this will be my 1st build
i'm trying to stay under 1k, i've already purchased the 770
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3DATz
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3DATz/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3DATz/benchmarks/
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($181.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($88.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.28 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($339.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $914.95
i'm trying to stay under 1k, i've already purchased the 770
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3DATz
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3DATz/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3DATz/benchmarks/
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($181.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($88.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.28 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($339.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $914.95
Better going for an i5 for gaming, and the Corsair PSU isn't great.
Have a look at this
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.97 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87X 3D ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card ($339.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $933.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-06 16:41 EDT-0400)
Enough money to stick in an SSD too and still say under $1K. Different case if you prefer too, was just trying to cut some costs initially.
Lol we used to do this at work all the time. No time to plug in those connectors when working on benches. Does no harm.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87X 3D ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.28 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($73.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $941.19
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-06 16:47 EDT-0400)
It's a bit more, but the 8350 can't even compete with the first gen Core series of processors, and was left well behind with the 2500K. It's not even a contest now. It will perform much more smoothly. The 280x is a tad more powerful than the 770 at that clockspeed, and should stay relevant longer with a larger memory bandwidth and 3GB of VRAM.
*edit*
I like Kharma's list more. Though I like the BitFenix Comrade over the Source 210.
Airflow will be great.
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After months and months of looking at it, but not really having a system to put in it, I bit on the Air 540 for a secondary LAN rig, as well as some fans.
They'll be going with this motherboard:
and an R9-290, all under water. I'm thinking I'll probably mod the case to hell and back. With all the orange, maybe I'll do a GAF themed build
appaws
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That is exceptional at that price. Wow! Excellent cooling options and really attractive.
Has got to jump to the top of the mid-range budget cases.
Way to go Phanteks!
Heres how I would do it
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3F8sV
R9 280X is a good idea with the 3GB VRAM too.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3F8ye
swaggerbot3000
Member
thanks for the suggestions guys...i've been so on the fence about the 8350 and almost everyone has said get the i5, so i think i'm gonna pick it up tomorrow after work
Squeezing it and youd be set for a long time with something like this
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3F8Cf
Yeah I think this is what happened.
I installed the OS, the only thing I have to do is get the wireless adapter to work and also figure out how to install my secondary HDD.
I should probably ask: how should I install the HDD? Do I have to do anything with the BIOS? I briefly tried connecting the already-inserted HDD and turned on the system. But in Windows the HDD was not recognized. Figured it was an easy fix that I could try when I get home tonight.
Do you know when it will be available in the states?
Oh, I almost forgot, I have 8 Spectre Pro 140mm fans:
NZXT Sentry Mix 2:
Phobya Balancer 150
If you want/need any of these, they're free. Got them in a bulk trade, and I have no need for them.
NZXT Sentry Mix 2:
Phobya Balancer 150
If you want/need any of these, they're free. Got them in a bulk trade, and I have no need for them.
I'd imagine in the next couple of months. Keep an eye on Newegg, they had the Enthoo Primo first, IIRC.
zeroeffect
Member
Ah, okay. So the older ones before Seagate bought them is still good then? That's not surprising at all to me considering how they treated me under warranty after they bought Samsung out. Partly why I really don't want to deal with any Seagate projects if they have customer service like that.
phxxBullet
Banned
Basically what the others said, but why ATX? I'd go for a mATX build and a smaller case.
Disk-manager in Windows7
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In case you don't know how to get there, here's a usefull link. Go to step 5 and look at the img.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/265764-32-guide-installed-disk-system
If you're counting pennies, every little bit helps. As it is, the low budget ATX motherboards seem to be cheaper than the mATX alternatives at the moment. Though, I always gloss over the ASRock boards, I can't help it.
phxxBullet
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Sure, but he wants to stay under 1k, and the current rig is about 950$, so there'd be a little left to spend on a mATX case and board. Should be worth the few bucks.
Also, +1 for the NeoGAF themed build idea.
killertofu
Member
It seems very random. When the computer is idle or when I'm playing Dark Souls 2.
And it sounds like every single fan is blowing as hard as possible.
I think it started when I installed my H60 a few months ago. It only happened once so I didn't think twice about it but it's been happening frequently the past couple of days
When it happens, try to get a look in the case so you can isolate what fans are doing this.
Also, plug your H60 directly into molex power rather than a fan header.
Echelon079
Member
Mkenyon you said the same to me- but question. So you mean plug the pump connector and the fan for the h60 to Molex or just the pump?
Dave_6
Member
Maybe I need to do mine this way. I have the pump and the fan for the H60 plugged into the mobo.
Vigilant Walrus
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`The IN WIN 904 and 901 are amazing looking modern minimalistic cases.
We need more designs that have these aesthetics. It seems that these cases have some problems in the design though.
The way they use the glass is great. I think less people will buy apple if case manufactureres and other hardware vendors step their aesthetics game up and design some timeless designs. Easier said than done.
And what I want personally, is something that takes the sleek, modern, minimalistic but more edgy than fractal design, but not crazy, but perhaps with some little illumination or at least option for it. More subtle though. Less intrusive. And much better cable management.
I love this trend of getting the desktop back on the desk. Computers are like cars. They are amazing customized individual works of achievement. Amazing tools that give joy to people, and they deserve to be admired and appreciated on the desk. Like a good looking TV or a painting.
We need more designs that have these aesthetics. It seems that these cases have some problems in the design though.
The way they use the glass is great. I think less people will buy apple if case manufactureres and other hardware vendors step their aesthetics game up and design some timeless designs. Easier said than done.
And what I want personally, is something that takes the sleek, modern, minimalistic but more edgy than fractal design, but not crazy, but perhaps with some little illumination or at least option for it. More subtle though. Less intrusive. And much better cable management.
I love this trend of getting the desktop back on the desk. Computers are like cars. They are amazing customized individual works of achievement. Amazing tools that give joy to people, and they deserve to be admired and appreciated on the desk. Like a good looking TV or a painting.
Prices are starting to trend down again but who's to say what they'll do by then. SSDs generally don't often come DOA in my experience.
Anyone know of any better laptops for gaming that are equally as thin?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JKCHT1C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I know there are better choices that are more expensive and a lot bulkier. This one is really catching my eye though. If only it had the GTX880M in it.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JKCHT1C/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I know there are better choices that are more expensive and a lot bulkier. This one is really catching my eye though. If only it had the GTX880M in it.
TY and the last post in that thread is the same link I just posted here so yeah looking at the right one.
Yeah, that's kind of my biggest concern - this could be £75 by the time I'm ready to build. Argh.
It's just.. so.. tempting..
There's just no need for it. Use Unigine or 3DMark.
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