"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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Yeah, you'll want an H87/H97/B85 motherboard. The only thing that you really need to concern yourself with on the features side is storage connectivity (do you want M2 SATA slots?), and how much memory it can take.
How come motherboards that can be overclocked begin with a Z, but CPUs that can be overclocked end with a K? Wouldn't a little consistency be helpful?
Don't even get me started on the minefield that is Intel CPUs and motherboard chipsets. It's one of the most complex and least user friendly systems I can think of.

I honestly wish they'd just do away with socketed motherboards on the consumer line of products.
 
Finally found an awesome, compact, micro-atx case to buy! That is whenever it actually is released for sale.

Lian Li PC-V359
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I love Lian-Li and the entire case comes apart, all the sides, the top, the motherboard tray. This thing is going to be awesome.

I would love an ITX form factor of a case like this with a metal frame but a window on left, right, top and potentially front panel. I hate the all plexi-glass boxes.
 
Nice!

Lately it seems like FrozenCPU and Performance PCs gets new Lian Li cases before Newegg. I think Newegg has scaled back their relationship pretty substantially. You might consider emailing both of them to see if they are going to get stock..

Cool, I gave them an email
 
X series mobo's can be overclocked too.

X series are like the Bentleys of the Intel family right? They support all sort of wiz-bang features on their consumer line but why would you want to overclock them Though they should have a higher limit than lower processors... right?
 
Yeah, you'll want an H87/H97/B85 motherboard. The only thing that you really need to concern yourself with on the features side is storage connectivity (do you want M2 SATA slots?), and how much memory it can take.

Don't even get me started on the minefield that is Intel CPUs and motherboard chipsets. It's one of the most complex and least user friendly systems I can think of.

I honestly wish they'd just do away with socketed motherboards on the consumer line of products.

How about this one? It can support up to 32gb of ram (which I will probably never get up to), and I have know idea what M2 SATA even is :)
 
Thinking about seriously getting a 1TB SSD from Samsung. Those Pros coming out look promising. Has anyone seen any extensive studies on SSD reliability? I'd imagine it gets better every year. I've seen some good studies on HDD life but none for SSDs. I guess it has a lot to do with their price right now and being a fairly new technology that's not truly mainstream yet. It would seem they're more reliable than HDDs just because they don't have moving parts but you never know.
 
Thinking about seriously getting a 1TB SSD from Samsung. Those Pros coming out look promising. Has anyone seen any extensive studies on SSD reliability? I'd imagine it gets better every year. I've seen some good studies on HDD life but none for SSDs. I guess it has a lot to do with their price right now and being a fairly new technology that's not truly mainstream yet. It would seem they're more reliable than HDDs just because they don't have moving parts but you never know.

http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte
 
I would love an ITX form factor of a case like this with a metal frame but a window on left, right, top and potentially front panel. I hate the all plexi-glass boxes.
Ask and ye shall receive. CaseLabs Mercury S3:

X series are like the Bentleys of the Intel family right? They support all sort of wiz-bang features on their consumer line but why would you want to overclock them Though they should have a higher limit than lower processors... right?
X series chipsets are to support the "Enthusiast" line of CPUs, currently socket 2011. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to overclock them. IPC is still king for gaming, the more you can increase per thread performance, the better your gaming experience is going to be.
How about this one? It can support up to 32gb of ram (which I will probably never get up to), and I have know idea what M2 SATA even is :)
M2 SATA is basically the ability to use the actual PCI-E interface for transferring data, rather than the SATA controller. What that means is super fast storage. It's not really a gamechanger compared to standard SSDs anyway, but some people care. What I personally like about it is the ability to put the M2 SSD directly on the board with no need for cables. That alone would push me towards a board that has M2 slots. Very subjective though.

I'd really suggest looking at a B85/H87/H97 board though, as you should probably be able to find one that is below $100 CAD. Look at the motherboard suggestions in the OP for those.
 
Oh Christ, this motherboard thing is stressing me out haha. They all look the same to me, and I don't know what I'm looking for, or if they will even fit in the case.

Coming from a 20+ year console gamer, this whole PC building thing is stressful.

M2 SATA is basically the ability to use the actual PCI-E interface for transferring data, rather than the SATA controller. What that means is super fast storage. It's not really a gamechanger compared to standard SSDs anyway, but some people care. What I personally like about it is the ability to put the M2 SSD directly on the board with no need for cables. That alone would push me towards a board that has M2 slots. Very subjective though.

I'd really suggest looking at a B85/H87/H97 board though, as you should probably be able to find one that is below $100 CAD. Look at the motherboard suggestions in the OP for those.

Okay cool, I'll do that. Thanks so much for all your help, dude. I really appreciate it :)
 
Does anyone recall if someone had impressions of the Fractal Design Node 605 in this thread? I love the Mini-ITX stuff but I think i'd be a little more comfortable moving my current setup into the 605 and then upgrading later.
 

I'm gonna bug you again, since you're patient and very nice :). Does this build look all compatible/kosher? (Keep in mind I changed the case after looking at the OP, as this one stood out to me).

Motherboard: ASUS B85M-E/CSM mATX LGA1150 B85 DDR3
Video Card: GeForce GTX 780 OC REV2.0 1006MHZ 3GB
SSD: Crucial MX100 256GB
Processor: Intel Core i7 i7-4790 Haswell 3.6Ghz
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB
Power: Antec HCG-620M 620W
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 mATX Window Case

How does all that look? Everything play nice together? Any glaring omissions/changes you would recommend (other than a 4790K cpu, that ain't happening)?

Would I need any extra cooling? How does that work?
 
For my upcoming Haswell-E build, I'm looking at the following

Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 (Relatively cheap and sensible): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...air_carbide_air_series-_-11-139-022-_-Product

Corsair 900D (Middle ground): http://www.microcenter.com/product/409098/Obsidian_Series_900D_ATX_Super_Tower_Computer_Case

Caselabs Mercury S8 (Pricey, but dat customizability):
http://www.caselabs-store.com/mercury-s8/

Any others I should be looking at? In general, I want something large (room for a sizable custom liquid cooling setup should I choose to go that route) that performs well and I'm willing to consider a higher price for a premium product.
 
Does anyone recall if someone had impressions of the Fractal Design Node 605 in this thread? I love the Mini-ITX stuff but I think i'd be a little more comfortable moving my current setup into the 605 and then upgrading later.
I like the 605 but didn't get one because it has weird limitations. Like a case that size that only has 4 hard drive spots (while the ITX one has room for 6). I think silverstone has better HTPC options for the same price or cheaper. It's getting to be an outdated case (but still beautiful)
 
For my upcoming Haswell-E build, I'm looking at the following

Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 (Relatively cheap and sensible): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...air_carbide_air_series-_-11-139-022-_-Product

Corsair 900D (Middle ground): http://www.microcenter.com/product/409098/Obsidian_Series_900D_ATX_Super_Tower_Computer_Case

Caselabs Mercury S8 (Pricey, but dat customizability):
http://www.caselabs-store.com/mercury-s8/

Any others I should be looking at? In general, I want something large (room for a sizable custom liquid cooling setup should I choose to go that route) that performs well and I'm willing to consider a higher price for a premium product.
Well, I just built a PC this past weekend using the Corsair Air 540 and I can tell you it's a really easy case to work with and there's plenty of space in there as well.
 
For my upcoming Haswell-E build, I'm looking at the following

Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 (Relatively cheap and sensible): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...air_carbide_air_series-_-11-139-022-_-Product

Corsair 900D (Middle ground): http://www.microcenter.com/product/409098/Obsidian_Series_900D_ATX_Super_Tower_Computer_Case

Caselabs Mercury S8 (Pricey, but dat customizability):
http://www.caselabs-store.com/mercury-s8/

Any others I should be looking at? In general, I want something large (room for a sizable custom liquid cooling setup should I choose to go that route) that performs well and I'm willing to consider a higher price for a premium product.
I like your style.

A relatively unkown case that is absolutely phenomenal in terms of watercooling support is the Lian Li PC-D600.

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2...ATX_Full_Tower_Cube_Case_-_Black_PC-D600.html


It's not small, but like the Air 540, it's fairly shallow since it moves the HDD/optical stuff to the other side. You can fit a stupid amount of water cooling gear in it.

Then there's the Little Devil PC-V7, which is a work of art in terms of craftsmanship, but lacks the features of the rest.


Additionally, there's the Phanteks Enthoo Primo, which would be my personal choice outside of CaseLabs, Little Devil, or Lian Li. It's in the OP, but check out this video review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg_DzdHGgN4 **************

If you want to consider the possibility of X99 mATX, then the CaseLabs S5 (with pedestal) is stupid good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWqzQyjJ_Ko

One of these days I'm going to grow a pair and finally get into Linux so I can start asking you tons of questions :P
I'm gonna bug you again, since you're patient and very nice :). Does this build look all compatible/kosher? (Keep in mind I changed the case after looking at the OP, as this one stood out to me).

Motherboard: ASUS B85M-E/CSM mATX LGA1150 B85 DDR3
Video Card: GeForce GTX 780 OC REV2.0 1006MHZ 3GB
SSD: Crucial MX100 256GB
Processor: Intel Core i7 i7-4790 Haswell 3.6Ghz
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB
Power: Antec HCG-620M 620W
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 mATX Window Case

How does all that look? Everything play nice together? Any glaring omissions/changes you would recommend (other than a 4790K cpu, that ain't happening)?
I'd prefer to stick to the PSU options in the OP, but other than that, it looks great.
So if I'm rocking one of these: http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4320#ov

GIGABYTE GTX660TI 2GB

Would I be better off trying to find a used one for $100-$150 to run SLI or buy a new card if my budget is under $400?

Would something like an r9 290 be the best value under $400? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...&cm_re=gigabyte_r9_290-_-14-125-505-_-Product The r9 290 version of my card is present $350 on Newegg after rebates.
Only SLI or Crossfire to achieve performance that is otherwise impossible with a single card. If you have something like a 290 or 780, then it makes a bit more sense to go with it. But the memory bandwidth is going to be a major issue with the 660 Ti, and it already hampers performance significantly when you start adding AA even at 1080p. Plus, it can be troublesome to get it working consistently if you are a Day 1 type gamer.

**********edited the link to the proper one.
 
I need a new hard drive for games and general storage. Any recommendations? I don't want to go SSD since I like having lots of games installed at once. Also a 500 gig raptor drive, through fast, is too small. I Also don't want a slow 4 terabyte drive that takes forever to load anything. I'm looking for something that is 1 to 3 terabytes that's reasonably fast, quiet, and dependable.
 
I need a new hard drive for games and general storage. Any recommendations? I don't want to go SSD since I like having lots of games installed at once. Also a 500 gig raptor drive, through fast, is too small. I Also don't want a slow 4 terabyte drive that takes forever to load anything. I'm looking for something that is 1 to 3 terabytes that's reasonably fast, quiet, and dependable.

WD caviar blue drives are pretty much the go to drives.
 
I need a new hard drive for games and general storage. Any recommendations? I don't want to go SSD since I like having lots of games installed at once. Also a 500 gig raptor drive, through fast, is too small. I Also don't want a slow 4 terabyte drive that takes forever to load anything. I'm looking for something that is 1 to 3 terabytes that's reasonably fast, quiet, and dependable.

Hitachi 4TB 7200rpm drive is what you need. About to pick one up myself.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/4tb-hgst-0s03665-deskstar-nas-24x7-35-hdd-sata-iii-6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-cache-8ms-ncq-retail-box

Ive seen this as low as £117. 3 year warranty too.
 
I need a new hard drive for games and general storage. Any recommendations? I don't want to go SSD since I like having lots of games installed at once. Also a 500 gig raptor drive, through fast, is too small. I Also don't want a slow 4 terabyte drive that takes forever to load anything. I'm looking for something that is 1 to 3 terabytes that's reasonably fast, quiet, and dependable.
Unless you don't have access to a fast internet connection (and if you don't, ignore the rest of this post), I think you're putting an irrational limitation on the purchase which is preventing you from getting a better product.

A 500GB MX100 SSD is $210. A 256GB MX100 is ~$110. Both can be found on sale for less. You can install a *lot* of games on a 256GB SSD. Like, a LOT.
 
Unless you don't have access to a fast internet connection (and if you don't, ignore the rest of this post), I think you're putting an irrational limitation on the purchase which is preventing you from getting a better product.

A 500GB MX100 SSD is $210. A 256GB MX100 is ~$110. Both can be found on sale for less. You can install a *lot* of games on a 256GB SSD. Like, a LOT.

I have about 150 games on a 1TB disk, but now i need more lol. I dont like uninstalling games because I never want to wait to play a game, like a movie collection.
 
I'm going to England this September, and I want to take my desktop with me. Could I just switch out its North American 110V power supply for a 240V British one, or will I need to replace all of the parts?
 
I have a question about temps. Reddit didn't help me (as in, no one replied to my post), so I figured GAF would.

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Are these temps normal, or are they a little high? My CPU never goes above 50c, but still.
 
For my upcoming Haswell-E build, I'm looking at the following

Corsair Carbide Series Air 540 (Relatively cheap and sensible): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...air_carbide_air_series-_-11-139-022-_-Product

Corsair 900D (Middle ground): http://www.microcenter.com/product/409098/Obsidian_Series_900D_ATX_Super_Tower_Computer_Case

Caselabs Mercury S8 (Pricey, but dat customizability):
http://www.caselabs-store.com/mercury-s8/

Any others I should be looking at? In general, I want something large (room for a sizable custom liquid cooling setup should I choose to go that route) that performs well and I'm willing to consider a higher price for a premium product.

I use water in an Air 540....and it is nice and can be done....

....but it makes me nervous when you say a "sizeable" custom liquid cooling setup. I would say that it is a good case for a basic 1 CPU + 1 GPU liquid cooling setup....but depending on what you actually mean by "sizeable" you may want a bigger case.

If you got the scratch go for caselabs.
 
I have a question about temps. Reddit didn't help me (as in, no one replied to my post), so I figured GAF would.

Are these temps normal, or are they a little high? My CPU never goes above 50c, but still.
Yes, the only temps to be concerned about are the load temps.
 
I'm going to England this September, and I want to take my desktop with me. Could I just switch out its North American 110V power supply for a 240V British one, or will I need to replace all of the parts?
You'll likely just need a new power cord. Almost everything is built to work everywhere now and Gould automatically switch. What psu?
So they're normal? What's the danger zone for temperatures when playing games?
Over 100
Should I look into extra cooling too? Fans or what not?
Only if your computer starts running too hot. You're not overclocking and are using a roomy case so you don't really have to worry and the case will come with fan.
 
I use water in an Air 540....and it is nice and can be done....

....but it makes me nervous when you say a "sizeable" custom liquid cooling setup. I would say that it is a good case for a basic 1 CPU + 1 GPU liquid cooling setup....but depending on what you actually mean by "sizeable" you may want a bigger case.

If you got the scratch go for caselabs.

I was thinking a 280+360 setup. CPU + 2 GPU.

The Case Labs S8 provides a ridiculous amount of options, and if I somehow needed more I could get the pedestal. I've got the cash, but the more I spend on this build the longer I wait before I pick up my other toys (LG 34UM95 and Vanatoo Transparent One speakers).

@mkenyon: I like the PC-D600, but I have a hard time justifying it over the Mercury S8 at that price. Is there anything it does better? Also, the Little Devil PC-V7 is a work of art.
 
Is there an easy way to disable SLI? I understand that it adds a frame of lag so is not a good choice for the Oculus Rift. Is there a way that you can just disable it for when you are using the OR and have it on when you are gaming on your monitor?
 
I was thinking a 280+360 setup. CPU + 2 GPU.

The Case Labs S8 provides a ridiculous amount of options, and if I somehow needed more I could get the pedestal. I've got the cash, but the more I spend on this build the longer I wait before I pick up my other toys (LG 34UM95 and Vanatoo Transparent One speakers).

@mkenyon: I like the PC-D600, but I have a hard time justifying it over the Mercury S8 at that price. Is there anything it does better? Also, the Little Devil PC-V7 is a work of art.
I love the front window on the S8
 
I like the 605 but didn't get one because it has weird limitations. Like a case that size that only has 4 hard drive spots (while the ITX one has room for 6). I think silverstone has better HTPC options for the same price or cheaper. It's getting to be an outdated case (but still beautiful)
Thanks for the info. I like the Silverstone lineup a lot, but unless the dimensions are wrong on Amazon, they're just a little too big for where I want to put them.

Edit, whoa wait. I think Amazon is wrong and showing shipping box measurements. I think I may pick one of these up after all.
 
I was thinking a 280+360 setup. CPU + 2 GPU.

The Case Labs S8 provides a ridiculous amount of options, and if I somehow needed more I could get the pedestal. I've got the cash, but the more I spend on this build the longer I wait before I pick up my other toys (LG 34UM95 and Vanatoo Transparent One speakers).

@mkenyon: I like the PC-D600, but I have a hard time justifying it over the Mercury S8 at that price. Is there anything it does better? Also, the Little Devil PC-V7 is a work of art.
I personally enjoy the anodized finish of the Lian Li a bit more than the industrial grade primer powder on CaseLabs. I suppose the big benefit to the D600 is a tidier WC'ing setup. That might not seem like a lot, but it definitely helps. I'm not super huge on the Merlin series unless they have a pedestal. I really like having the radiators and pump in their own compartment for ease of use, and to keep the main component area from getting too messy.

It's totally subjective, but I'm at the point in WC'ing where I just want things to be simple, and work well.

With two 290s and an enthusiast socket processor, you're looking at a pretty substantial amount of cooling required. Probably in the range of 700-850W, depending on how much you are willing and/or able to push the processor. With the D600, you could plop a 140.3 on the front and back of the second chamber, which would be adequate.

On the flip side, the Case Labs is a blast to mod, and has replacement parts for literally anything in case you mess up. I will say the huuuuuuuuuuge benefit to CL is the removeable motherboard tray. It's probably saved me 10 hours at least during different builds. I had to swap out a motherboard last minute before a LAN, on a rig that was already fully complete. Big PITA right?

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Just removed the CPU block, the GPU, and pulled out the motherboard tray. Swapped processors and memory, slid the new motherboard back in. Got everything up and running within 30 mins of starting the break down. That would have been a 5 hour process otherwise.

*edit*

Also, though the MSRP is one thing on the S8, you'll probably add $50-100 in add ons, between radiator mounts and different options. Keep that in mind. My SM5 is pretty basic in terms of extras that I chose, and it was still $80 more than the base price.

*edit 2*

Also, here's a PC-V7 build I helped a friend with.


It's pretty glorious just in terms of fit and finish. Not as well thought out, but damn that craftsmanship. Those Slovenes know how to build WC'ing parts.
 
I personally enjoy the anodized finish of the Lian Li a bit more than the industrial grade primer powder on CaseLabs. I suppose the big benefit to the D600 is a tidier WC'ing setup. That might not seem like a lot, but it definitely helps. I'm not super huge on the Merlin series unless they have a pedestal. I really like having the radiators and pump in their own compartment for ease of use, and to keep the main component area from getting too messy.

It's totally subjective, but I'm at the point in WC'ing where I just want things to be simple, and work well.

With two 290s and an enthusiast socket processor, you're looking at a pretty substantial amount of cooling required. Probably in the range of 700-850W, depending on how much you are willing and/or able to push the processor. With the D600, you could plop a 140.3 on the front and back of the second chamber, which would be adequate.

On the flip side, the Case Labs is a blast to mod, and has replacement parts for literally anything in case you mess up. I will say the huuuuuuuuuuge benefit to CL is the removeable motherboard tray. It's probably saved me 10 hours at least during different builds. I had to swap out a motherboard last minute before a LAN, on a rig that was already fully complete. Big PITA right?

ygOz2fOl.png


Just removed the CPU block, the GPU, and pulled out the motherboard tray. Swapped processors and memory, slid the new motherboard back in. Got everything up and running within 30 mins of starting the break down. That would have been a 5 hour process otherwise.

*edit*

Also, though the MSRP is one thing on the S8, you'll probably add $50-100 in add ons, between radiator mounts and different options. Keep that in mind. My SM5 is pretty basic in terms of extras that I chose, and it was still $80 more than the base price.

*edit 2*

Also, here's a PC-V7 build I helped a friend with.



It's pretty glorious just in terms of fit and finish. Not as well thought out, but damn that craftsmanship. Those Slovenes know how to build WC'ing parts.

I do like the idea of 2 420 mm radiators through the back partition. I just liked the customizable nature of the S8. If I wanted to change it up in the future, all I need to do is order some new parts. I was thinking of 2 360mm rads up top with the pump/reservoir hidden down below in that little enclosure for the S8.

I just watched the Enthoo Primo video (youtube blocked at work) and that case seems excellent as well. A 420 on top and bottom with predrilled spots for the pump and reservoir. Too many great cases...

Any thoughts of the LD PC-V7's bigger brother? http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1...id-Tower_Case_-_Black_Red.html?tl=g1c547s1597
 
So, I will start by saying that I started this post by talking about the downsides, and how the $800 pricetag didn't justify it. I clicked the link and saw that they're selling it for $300.

$300.

These were $800 not 6 months ago. I'm not sure what to say.

The PC-V7 used to sell for $500. Now I see it is $225.

Wow.
 
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