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[MadGear]

Does anyone of you use a Zowie mouse?
I finally want to get a proper mouse since my old Deathadder died (so, a Deadadder?) but do not want to use it exclusively for CS:GO which seems to be the prominent use for this mice. What i really want to know is if these would work well with click-spammy games like any RTS or Dota 2? I'm asking because i read that the used Huano switches require a lot more force than the typical Omron switches and if they are really that hard to press, then this could be a real issue in long sessions of Dota 2.
I'm currently thinking about either getting the EC1 eVo or the recently released FK1 (which is currently cheaper because the EC series seems to be discontinued).

 

[Hazaro]

Well TI was fun, picked up a Rival. Will see how it compares to the Spawn.

Too bad I have even more work stacked up again now

Does anyone of you use a Zowie mouse?
I finally want to get a proper mouse since my old Deathadder died (so, a Deadadder?) but do not want to use it exclusively for CS:GO which seems to be the prominent use for this mice. What i really want to know is if these would work well with click-spammy games like any RTS or Dota 2? I'm asking because i read that the used Huano switches require a lot more force than the typical Omron switches and if they are really that hard to press, then this could be a real issue in long sessions of Dota 2.
I'm currently thinking about either getting the EC1 eVo or the recently released FK1 (which is currently cheaper because the EC series seems to be discontinued).

If you are used to it don't sweat it IMO. If not I can't comment since I don't think I've compared both. Maybe check pressure/weight needed to activate for each type.

 

[Nostremitus]

If you're going to be gaming in OpenGL (Linux, Blizzard, id Tech games, some emulators, etc), AMD is terrible.

I only had trouble with Linux gaming when i was trying to use my old 4xxx and 5xxx series GPUs. No problems at all since I upgraded. (R9 270 and Ubuntu 14.4)

 

[Betta Lines]

Is he running BIOS version F7 (the newest version)? Updating the BIOS on my Gigabyte z97x ud3h fixed most of my 4790k temp issues.

Thank you! This had made a big difference. The most recent is F4 for his mobo. Running Aida64 or Prime95, the temp increase under load is now slower, taking a minute or so to hit 90, and it starts to stabilise at about 95 degrees after about 2 minutes, not throttling down. Before the BIOS update it would hit 100 and throttle down within 30 seconds.

Would you say this is now acceptable cooling performance from the stock heatsink? It's still very hot, but probably no longer RMA territory I guess?

 

[heyf00L]

No idea about Linux (I do remember reading nVidia has better drivers there, though), but there's really no truth in the rest of your post.

nVidia has better Linux drivers because they have better OpenGL drivers. AMD's drivers is the whole reason Dolphin emulator gave up on OpenGL. And I believe PCSX2 dropped OpenGL for the same reason, or at least disable it on AMD cards.

I haven't personally tested out Wolfenstein, but top search results show me this:

Large performance issues on ATI/AMD systems.
Frequent FPS dips for AMD

Blizzard games seem OK on AMD, tho.

Just something to be aware of. If you're on Windows then it most likely won't be an issue, and AMD tends to have the better priceerformance ratio.

 

[Thraktor]

Not sure about this. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but the DK2 requires a pretty high sustained framerate, yes?

The IPC of a 4.0 GHZ 920 doesn't really cut it for 120 FPS gaming.

For dev kit 2 it's a 75fps display. You'll want a constant 75fps, though, as framerate dips are very noticeable on Oculus Rift.

This is the 290 you'd want to look at: http://www.ncix.com/detail/sapphire-r9-290-edition-1000mhz-ac-94897-1031.htm

I dont know about NVIDIA/AMD compatibility with the DK2. If NVIDIA generally works better with it, then the price increase would probably be worth it.

*edit*

TOO FAST, I DONT EVEN

It's not really a matter of being compatible or not, the Oculus Rift just acts as a HDMI monitor, and you just want to go with the card that can give you that constant 75fps.

 

[tarheel91]

I hate these guys' reviews, but saw a full system (3770K) power draw number with a couple of 290X's in crossfire: 904W!

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/07/23/gtx_780_oc_6gb_vs_r9_290x_4gb_overclocked_at_4k/10

Is dual 480mm radiators enough?

 

[Sickafant]

Is the fractal design newton r3 600w sufficient for an i7 930 and 280x? I plan to oc the 930 as much as a 212 evo will allow. Suggestions welcome, I'm looking at this one because local selection is limited, but if I need to wait for shipping to get a good one then that's fine. ~150 CAD Budget.

 

[tarheel91]

Is the fractal design newton r3 600w sufficient for an i7 930 and 280x? I plan to oc the 930 as much as a 212 evo will allow. Suggestions welcome, I'm looking at this one because local selection is limited, but if I need to wait for shipping to get a good one then that's fine. ~150 CAD Budget.

You're fine at 600W.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7400/the-radeon-r9-280x-review-feat-asus-xfx/20

 

[Cels]

good deal on obsidian 750d with 3 120mm fans if you can stomach rebates:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=9105368

($99.99)

 

[mkenyon]

I hate these guys' reviews, but saw a full system (3770K) power draw number with a couple of 290X's in crossfire: 904W!

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2014/07/23/gtx_780_oc_6gb_vs_r9_290x_4gb_overclocked_at_4k/10

Is dual 480mm radiators enough?

I'd imagine Haswell-E will be a lot more power hungry than the 3770K too, but yeah, dual 480mm rads would suffice.

Just on two 280mm rads, with a 2500K @ 4.8GHz/1.41V and a 290 @ 1100 MHz, I'm able to run the four fans at about 600-700RPM and keep the temps in the low 50s for both during gaming.

 

[MadGear]

Well TI was fun, picked up a Rival. Will see how it compares to the Spawn.

Too bad I have even more work stacked up again now
If you are used to it don't sweat it IMO. If not I can't comment since I don't think I've compared both. Maybe check pressure/weight needed to activate for each type.

To my knowledge i have yet to try a mouse using Huano switches, so i really do not know what to expect of these.

But I would be interested in your opinion on the Rival. The one i tried didn't really feel like a quality product (but to be fair, it looked like that one had been returned before). The scroll wheel on mine was super loose which made it impossible for me to use the wheel button to drag the camera in dota 2. Somehow I also managed to get the left mouse button stuck a couple of times. Returned it the day after i received it.

 

[ohblahitsme]

So I woke up this morning and realized that I had accumulated around $600 from my new job and I can finally build a computer! Now that I actually can, I'm feeling a little nervous. Here's what I'm thinking: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GtNH7P

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.13 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($77.19 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $624.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-24 17:56 EDT-0400

A few questions:

Do I need to buy a wireless card?
How does cooling work? Do I need a fan?
I'm going to dual boot linux and windows, are there any driver considerations I need to take into account?

I'm going to be doing some work on this computer in addition to gaming (on the Linux partition) so I will be upgrading my RAM when I get a chance.
Also, will I be able to put future Intel i5s/i7s in this motherboard?

 

[Diomedes]

Does anyone of you use a Zowie mouse?
I finally want to get a proper mouse since my old Deathadder died (so, a Deadadder?) but do not want to use it exclusively for CS:GO which seems to be the prominent use for this mice. What i really want to know is if these would work well with click-spammy games like any RTS or Dota 2? I'm asking because i read that the used Huano switches require a lot more force than the typical Omron switches and if they are really that hard to press, then this could be a real issue in long sessions of Dota 2.
I'm currently thinking about either getting the EC1 eVo or the recently released FK1 (which is currently cheaper because the EC series seems to be discontinued).

Owner of both EvoEC1 and FK1 here. Objectively grip style makes a big difference; if you're palm and don't mind a bit slower mouse wheel, the EC1 is what you should look for. If you're claw; the smaller size, side button placement and ambidextrous nature may be more comfortable. If you're looking for high quality optical sensor and switches with a faster mouse wheel and more sensitivity options the FK1 may be more in your wheelhouse.
Hope that helps.

 

[FreddieQuell]

I'm considering buying one of those korean 1440p ips monitors, but I'm not sure if it's right for my situation. I'm going to be gaming on a PC powered by a 750ti and with a ps4.

As I understand it, most of these monitors don't have a scaler so the ps4 play would be iffy. And with the power level of the 750ti, playing at 1440p might require too many graphics and frame rate sacrifices.

What do you guys think? Would I be better off with a 1080p monitor?

 

[Stubo]

So I woke up this morning and realized that I had accumulated around $600 from my new job and I can finally build a computer! Now that I actually can, I'm feeling a little nervous. Here's what I'm thinking: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GtNH7P

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.13 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($75.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($77.19 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Video Card ($124.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $624.77
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-07-24 17:56 EDT-0400

A few questions:

Do I need to buy a wireless card?
How does cooling work? Do I need a fan?
I'm going to dual boot linux and windows, are there any driver considerations I need to take into account?

I'm going to be doing some work on this computer in addition to gaming (on the Linux partition) so I will be upgrading my RAM when I get a chance.
Also, will I be able to put future Intel i5s/i7s in this motherboard?

I'd suggest something more along these lines:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.24 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270 2GB Dual-X Video Card ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX Power Supply ($37.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $617.18

The CPU is a Haswell refresh chip and is on the newer chipset. The RAM is much better when used in dual channel and this still allows for adding another 2 sticks later.

The WD blue drives are quieter and cheaper than the black and generally a favourite on GAF for being the better of the non-SSD options.

The 270 will vastly out-perform the 750Ti. It will draw a bit more power from the wall and you don't get the Nvidia extras though (Shadowplay mainly). I don't know if there are any Linux implications of this. The brand of hard drive you shouldn't matter, however I'd research the file system to use (I don't know personally, sorry).

There is a CPU cooler included with the processor, since this chip isn't overclockable you don't really need to worry about anything extra unless you find it too loud for your tastes.

You will need to buy a wireless card/usb or (preferably) get some powerline adapters.

 

[Cels]

A few questions:

Do I need to buy a wireless card?
How does cooling work? Do I need a fan?
I'm going to dual boot linux and windows, are there any driver considerations I need to take into account?

I'm going to be doing some work on this computer in addition to gaming (on the Linux partition) so I will be upgrading my RAM when I get a chance.
Also, will I be able to put future Intel i5s/i7s in this motherboard?

wireless card - usb adapters can work too. i think it depends on your wireless setup: walls, how strong of an antenna you need, distance etc. i am on twc 16/1 and i get full speeds using a usb wireless adapter.

cooling - stock cooler should be fine because you probably won't be overclocking that locked cpu on that motherboard

driver considerations - no clue, can't help you here

future intel processors - no, your motherboard uses the LGA 1155 socket. there is already a newer socket, LGA 1150, for the newest haswell processors.

btw - is there a reason you're going for a wd black over the blue? blue is generally best bang for buck, black is best performance. E.g. for a 1TB drive you are paying a 50% price premium ($50 vs $75) when it comes to blue vs black. black is noisier too i think

 

[grosvenor_92]

Hey GAF I've been looking at getting a new processor. I'm thinking of getting either an Intel i5 4670 or 4690. Which one would you guys recommend I get ?

 

[kennah]

Hey GAF I've been looking at getting a new processor. I'm thinking of getting either an Intel i5 4670 or 4690. Which one would you guys recommend I get ?

Neither. 4690K or 4790K

 

[grosvenor_92]

Neither. 4690K or 4790K

Alright i7's are too expensive IMO so I won't be getting a 4790k

 

[Nachtmaer]

Hey GAF I've been looking at getting a new processor. I'm thinking of getting either an Intel i5 4670 or 4690. Which one would you guys recommend I get ?

The 4690 is a line-up refresh and should just right out replace the 4670 for the same price. Unless there's a (big) price difference at whatever shop you're using, there's no reason not to get the 4690.

 

[grosvenor_92]

The 4690 is a line-up refresh and should just right out replace the 4670 for the same price. Unless there's a (big) price difference at whatever shop you're using, there's no reason not to get the 4690.

I'm looking at NCIX's canadian site and the 4690 is $227. 4670 is $245. I was leaning towards the 4690 because of the cheaper price but wasn't sure if there was a huge difference in terms of performance, etc.

 

[thespot84]

Alright i7's are too expensive IMO so I won't be getting a 4790k

The K's are overclockable, which was probably kennah's point. Do you already have the mobo?

 

[Fantastical]

Are Reddit Windows 8 keys legit or is it something illegal? There are crazy deals on there, but I don't really understand how this stuff works.

 

[grosvenor_92]

The K's are overclockable, which was probably kennah's point. Do you already have the mobo?

I probably should of said I'm not interested in overclocking in my original post and I'm also looking to upgrade my mobo as well.

 

[Nachtmaer]

I'm looking at NCIX's canadian site and the 4690 is $227. 4670 is $245. I was leaning towards the 4690 because of the cheaper price but wasn't sure if there was a huge difference in terms of performance, etc.

In that case get the 4690. They're pretty much the same except the 4690 is clocked slightly higher and thus faster.

 

[Josman]

I know we can't predict the future but with the Geforce 800 series coming out I was wondering... Are generational leaps more or less like this?:

670 = 760
680 = 770

I read somewhere that a GTX 780 was the minimum requirement for an optimal Oculus Rift experience, and I certainly can't afford one so I'm placing my hopes on the 870 when it comes out.

 

[SuicideUZI]

Are Reddit Windows 8 keys legit or is it something illegal? There are crazy deals on there, but I don't really understand how this stuff works.

They come from MSDN / Technet accounts. Whether or not that particular person has a 100% legit account is anyone's guess. That being said I bought a windows 7 key from there before and it activated just fine.

 

[mr2xxx]

I know we can't predict the future but with the Geforce 800 series coming out I was wondering... Are generational leaps more or less like this?:

670 = 760
680 = 770

I read somewhere that a GTX 780 was the minimum requirement for an optimal Oculus Rift experience, and I certainly can't afford one so I'm placing my hopes on the 870 when it comes out.

More because all that was a re branding of existing hardware. Current rumors suggest 880 will be 20% more powerful than the 780Ti, so the 870 should be around 780 Ti levels.

 

[Josman]

More because all that was a re branding of existing hardware. Current rumors suggest 880 will be 20% more powerful than the 780Ti, so the 870 should be around 780 Ti levels.

That would be a dream come true, I'll keep my expectations in check. I only hope they don't overprice them. Thanks man.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

What could be wrong when my kb&m don't work in Windows? They work when I boot to bios

 

[kennah]

What could be wrong when my kb&m don't work in Windows? They work when I boot to bios

Drivers not installed for those USB ports. Try ones that aren't blue.

 

[TheFatOne]

So GAF my brothers computer has run into an issue and I can't seem to solve it. There is no longer a signal to the monitor. Everything looks like it's running, but no monitor signal. This started to happen to him two days ago so I took the cmos battery out then put it back in and that seemed to do the trick. Now the problem has reappeared and nothing seems to work. Any ideas on what could be the issue?

 

[SHADES]

So GAF my brothers computer has run into an issue and I can't seem to solve it. There is no longer a signal to the monitor. Everything looks like it's running, but no monitor signal. This started to happen to him two days ago so I took the cmos battery out then put it back in and that seemed to do the trick. Now the problem has reappeared and nothing seems to work. Any ideas on what could be the issue?

Have you tried connecting the DVI to the motherboard instead of GPU to rule in/out GPU? First thing I'd do with no signal to monitor.

 

[Realyn]

So GAF my brothers computer has run into an issue and I can't seem to solve it. There is no longer a signal to the monitor. Everything looks like it's running, but no monitor signal. This started to happen to him two days ago so I took the cmos battery out then put it back in and that seemed to do the trick. Now the problem has reappeared and nothing seems to work. Any ideas on what could be the issue?

Yeah, you should do some real basic testing here first. "Everything looks like it's running" - so Windows boots and you get sound?

Do you have a TV or a second monitor/PC to test? If so just switch around. Your brother's PC to your monitor and so on. That way you should be able to narrow down what exactly isn't working anymore.

 

[TheFatOne]

Have you tried connecting the DVI to the motherboard instead of GPU to rule in/out GPU? First thing I'd do with no signal to monitor.

I happened to have an old graphics card that I thought was broken and it worked. Thanks for the input. Pretty sure it's the graphics card now unless something else pops up.

Yeah, you should do some real basic testing here first. "Everything looks like it's running" - so Windows boots and you get sound?

Do you have a TV or a second monitor/PC to test? If so just switch around. Your brother's PC to your monitor and so on. That way you should be able to narrow down what exactly isn't working anymore.

Thanks for replying even though I think I figured it out. I was testing everything one by one by swapping my pc parts for his, and eventually came to the conclusion that it was his graphics card.

 

[SHADES]

I happened to have an old graphics card that I thought was broken and it worked. Thanks for the input. Pretty sure it's the graphics card now unless something else pops up.



Thanks for replying even though I think I figured it out. I was testing everything one by one by swapping my pc parts for his, and eventually came to the conclusion that it was his graphics card.

No problem, glad you're getting somewhere with it. I've had that twice before where the monitor looses signal roughly 2 days prior & resetting the CMOS gets it limping through before it finally gives up the ghost a couple of days later.

 

[Åesop]

So whats the advantage of 8 cores (Haswell-E) or DDR4? Things like rendering faster in Sony Vegas? I have no clue.

 

[tebunker]

Okay maybe the third time is a charm, kind of by the books, I think I have the CPU and GPU paired up well enough. I want to be able to play games for a while, stream things through out the house, video editing, nothing insane, OC down the road. I really just want something that will hold up a good 3 years before having to do any extensive upgrading.

PCpartpickerPartlist//partlist/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k 4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323 @ NCIXUS)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
SSD: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80+ Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($68.74 @ Amazon)
Total: $1267.55

So now the debate is whether to build it myself or not. I have found near exact builds for roughly the same price at places like ibuypower, but I don't know if I would trust a place like that.

NCIX US builds machines it looks like, but I tried using their configurator and it doesn't seem to get the pricing right when I try to check out. Has anyone had any luck using them?

Any other suggestions? Should I up the PSU? I was contemplating the modular 650 or 750. Would I be better served with 16gb ram in this system?

I think those are my two biggest questions. Like I said I am going to try to build as much for the future as I can.

 

[puffyshirt]

Alright, purchase made! After a lot of research (and a LOT of help from some kind Gaffers) I finally bit the bullet and bought my first gaming rig. Can't wait! I have a friend who will come over and help build it once the parts arrive. I could probably do it myself, but God knows I'm not gonna risk fucking up at this point.

I'm very, very excited to join the ranks of cheap ass games with kickass graphics.

Here's what I got. What do you guys think?


Motherboard: ASUS B85M-E/CSM mATX LGA1150 B85 DDR3
Video Card: Sapphire R9 290 Edition 1000MHZ 4G GDDR5
SSD: Crucial MX100 256GB
Processor: Intel Core i7 i7-4790 Haswell 3.6Ghz
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB
Power: XFX 650W PRO650W Core Edition
Case: Cooler Master N200

 

[Ac30]

Well, I found the OC issue -- Furmark sends my VRM 1 temps to 120 'c but under normal load and the same clock speeds/voltage it only hits 95 or so in BF4. Wonder what the hell Furmark is doing there...

 

[CreepingFear]

I need a few more days testing, but it looks like I don't have to reinstall WOW or Windows. I think it was an add on that was crashing my Nvidia driver while playing WOW. I had worries that maybe my graphics card got damaged or something in the move from California.

 

[Dysun]

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Dysun/saved/yVvqqs

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866
SSD: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" SSD
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked**
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower
PSU: EVGA 750W ATX12V / EPS12V

Hey guys, I've finally gotten around to collecting the funds for the base of my rig going forward. I'd like to future proof this machine as much as possible. The first thing you might notice is off, is the GPU**. I've decided to wait until the GTX 8XX series comes out before I seriously invest into a card. The GTX 750ti seems like a decent holdover card, I'd like to stick with Nvidia.

Should I buy any more fans if I'm eventually planning to stick a high-end card in there besides the fans that come with the Phanteks case?
The Corsair heatsink is mainly for aesthetic reasons and novelty, but I've heard some things about it coming with the thermal paste already applied a bit too generously. Is that something I need to keep my eye on?
I've never overclocked a PC before, but I have every intention on doing so this time. Any recommended reading besides what's in the OP, particuarly for these Devil's Canyon chips?

I've read the OP, and I'm definitely a 5 with regards to gaming with everything else taking a backseat. No interest in streaming or video rendering. Are there any parts here that stand out to you guys, or that I should avoid?

 

[Hazaro]

Alright, purchase made! After a lot of research (and a LOT of help from some kind Gaffers) I finally bit the bullet and bought my first gaming rig. Can't wait! I have a friend who will come over and help build it once the parts arrive. I could probably do it myself, but God knows I'm not gonna risk fucking up at this point.

I'm very, very excited to join the ranks of cheap ass games with kickass graphics.

Here's what I got. What do you guys think?


Motherboard: ASUS B85M-E/CSM mATX LGA1150 B85 DDR3
Video Card: Sapphire R9 290 Edition 1000MHZ 4G GDDR5
SSD: Crucial MX100 256GB
Processor: Intel Core i7 i7-4790 Haswell 3.6Ghz
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB
Power: XFX 650W PRO650W Core Edition
Case: Cooler Master N200

Looks good. Hope that 290 fits in the N200.

Well, I found the OC issue -- Furmark sends my VRM 1 temps to 120 'c but under normal load and the same clock speeds/voltage it only hits 95 or so in BF4. Wonder what the hell Furmark is doing there...

VRM over 90C is bad news, I'm guessing you have 290? Get some sinks on them.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Dysun/saved/yVvqqs

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866
SSD: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" SSD
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB Superclocked**
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower
PSU: EVGA 750W ATX12V / EPS12V

Hey guys, I've finally gotten around to collecting the funds for the base of my rig going forward. I'd like to future proof this machine as much as possible. The first thing you might notice is off, is the GPU**. I've decided to wait until the GTX 8XX series comes out before I seriously invest into a card. The GTX 750ti seems like a decent holdover card, I'd like to stick with Nvidia.

Should I buy any more fans if I'm eventually planning to stick a high-end card in there besides the fans that come with the Phanteks case?
The Corsair heatsink is mainly for aesthetic reasons and novelty, but I've heard some things about it coming with the thermal paste already applied a bit too generously. Is that something I need to keep my eye on?
I've never overclocked a PC before, but I have every intention on doing so this time. Any recommended reading besides what's in the OP, particuarly for these Devil's Canyon chips?

I've read the OP, and I'm definitely a 5 with regards to gaming with everything else taking a backseat. No interest in streaming or video rendering. Are there any parts here that stand out to you guys, or that I should avoid?

Looks good. Don't sweat the paste. You can grab some extra if you need to. Phobya and Noctua are good.

DC OC is the same as Haswell, just runs like 5C cooler.

 

[MadGear]

Owner of both EvoEC1 and FK1 here. Objectively grip style makes a big difference; if you're palm and don't mind a bit slower mouse wheel, the EC1 is what you should look for. If you're claw; the smaller size, side button placement and ambidextrous nature may be more comfortable. If you're looking for high quality optical sensor and switches with a faster mouse wheel and more sensitivity options the FK1 may be more in your wheelhouse.
Hope that helps.

Yes that helps a lot. However, can you comment on the force required to activate the switches? Are they really that much harder to press than Omron switches? Still fear that my fingers might start to ache when spamming the mouse button in Dota 2

 

[TheDanger]

Hi master race GAF,

I just recently built a new PC, but I still require a better GPU (currently still rocking a GTX 750 TI from my old shit pc, which is a great card for the price, but I would like something rather high end). What would you guys recommend for my setup?

msi z87 g43
i7 4770K
8 GB RAM
600W PSU

 

[frbrr]

Okay maybe the third time is a charm, kind of by the books, I think I have the CPU and GPU paired up well enough. I want to be able to play games for a while, stream things through out the house, video editing, nothing insane, OC down the road. I really just want something that will hold up a good 3 years before having to do any extensive upgrading.

PCpartpickerPartlist//partlist/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790k 4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($323 @ NCIXUS)
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99 @ Superbiz)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ NCIX US)
SSD: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB DirectCU II Video Card ($299.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80+ Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($68.74 @ Amazon)
Total: $1267.55

So now the debate is whether to build it myself or not. I have found near exact builds for roughly the same price at places like ibuypower, but I don't know if I would trust a place like that.

NCIX US builds machines it looks like, but I tried using their configurator and it doesn't seem to get the pricing right when I try to check out. Has anyone had any luck using them?

Any other suggestions? Should I up the PSU? I was contemplating the modular 650 or 750. Would I be better served with 16gb ram in this system?

I think those are my two biggest questions. Like I said I am going to try to build as much for the future as I can.

I think you should be looking at Z97 motherboards

 

[kennah]

Hi master race GAF,

I just recently built a new PC, but I still require a better GPU (currently still rocking a GTX 750 TI from my old shit pc, which is a great card for the price, but I would like something rather high end). What would you guys recommend for my setup?

msi z87 g43
i7 4770K
8 GB RAM
600W PSU

1. We don't really say that anymore...

2. Kinda hard to recommend without a budget.

 

[tebunker]

I think you should be looking at Z97 motherboards

Thanks, that was a typo on my behalf, I meant to get a Z97 mobo

I updated it with a Z97, Partpicker Link updated from post on last page.

I guess everything looks right though? Anyone else try to use NCIX US and have them build a machine, or can anyone here vouch for any of the discount builders like Ibuypower? If not I may bite the bullet and build it

 

[TheDanger]

1. We don't really say that anymore...

2. Kinda hard to recommend without a budget.

1. ok sorry, I'm kind of new to the master race..I mean pc gaming

2. €300 at the very most