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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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Ravijn

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Are the 9xx gonna be incredibly more expensive or equivalent to 7xx series? Is there anything else I should look at (Radeon) or just wait? Been out of the game for quite a while.

I would guess a 970/870 would be around $400 and the 980/880 $500. Probably depends on the memory option too(2/4/6gb).
 

mkenyon

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Firstly, thank you very much for the detailed reply.

Second, It's a deathadder from 2011-2012 so I think anything would be better than nothing... I use a fingertip grip.
Prolly the M45 or CM Storm Spawn then.

Also, seriously, you should look at that Vortex Race. It would be quite fitting of your username to use a keyboard that most enthusiasts have never heard of. Vortex is quite obscure.

*edit*

Actually, if you have a Best Buy near you, go ahead and feel the G502. If you like it, you might want to consider waiting for the G402. If you really like the grip on your Deathadder, then you could probably just get a Deathadder 2013.
 

H1PSTER

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Prolly the M45 or CM Storm Spawn then.

Also, seriously, you should look at that Vortex Race. It would be quite fitting of your username to use a keyboard that most enthusiasts have never heard of. Vortex is quite obscure.

*edit*

Actually, if you have a Best Buy near you, go ahead and feel the G502. If you like it, you might want to consider waiting for the G402. If you really like the grip on your Deathadder, then you could probably just get a Deathadder 2013.

I absolutely love the way the Deathadder feels but I don't want to go with razor again - I have a Blackwidow keyboard which is breaking and the Deathadder has broke a few times now, I just want to try a different brand.

Thank you - sadly I live in the UK where Best Buy doesn't exist anymore but I will goto PC World and see if I can try the mice there.
 

DevilFox

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Time to build a new rig. Single GPU, no overclock. Priority is content creation first, then gaming.
How does this look? Any advice is very appreciated.

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler or any QUIET single fan AIO, any suggestion?
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard or MSI H97M G43?
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory or is there something better at the same price?
Storage SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive what about the 850 PRO 128GB at the same price? Is it worth the difference?
Storage HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case I like it but I'm worried about build quality and max GPU length.. the HAF XB looks interesting as well
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply this or the Enermax Revolution X't 530W (80PLUS GOLD) or even the Enermax Platimax 500W (80PLUS PLATINUM) if the wattage is enough

I'll pick my GPU this winter, I first want to see how NVIDIA and AMD move.
 

element

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Fry's had a 4790k for $279 this weekend, so I am going to end up upgrading from my 2500k. I looked at getting a mATX board for my 2500k and they have pretty much died off. Going to cost me $100 to get a board anyway, might as well upgrade.
 

mkenyon

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Time to build a new rig. Single GPU, no overclock. Priority is content creation first, then gaming.
How does this look? Any advice is very appreciated.

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler or any QUIET single fan AIO, any suggestion?
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard or MSI H97M G43?
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory or is there something better at the same price?
Storage SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive what about the 850 PRO 128GB at the same price? Is it worth the difference?
Storage HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case I like it but I'm worried about build quality and max GPU length.. the HAF XB looks interesting as well
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply this or the Enermax Revolution X't 530W (80PLUS GOLD) or even the Enermax Platimax 500W (80PLUS PLATINUM) if the wattage is enough

I'll pick my GPU this winter, I first want to see how NVIDIA and AMD move.
Budget? Cause, the 5820K just launched. 6 cores/12 threads with 15MB of L3 Cache at 4+ GHz for $350. Plus, DDR4.
Fry's had a 4790k for $279 this weekend, so I am going to end up upgrading from my 2500k. I looked at getting a mATX board for my 2500k and they have pretty much died off. Going to cost me $100 to get a board anyway, might as well upgrade.
Nice. What board are you looking at?
 

element

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Budget? Cause, the 5820K just launched. 6 cores/12 threads with 15MB of L3 Cache at 4+ GHz for $350. Plus, DDR4.
I looked at 5820k for a moment, but even though the CPU is just a little more there aren't any MOBOs under $200 and have to buy new RAM, another $200+. If someone is starting from scratch, then it might make sense, but considering 4790k puts up better benchmarks in gaming makes it a more cost effective upgrade. $400 upgrade vs $800 system replace.

Nice. What board are you looking at?
Actually looking at the ASRock Z97M OC. Seems to have everything I need.
 

nilbog21

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hey guys is it worth it buying a "Black" HDD for an HTPC? there's a 2TB one for 85$ on slickdeals ATM, but i'm not exactly sure if these HDD's are cost efficient for an HTPC. Should I wait on a bigger (slower) HDD?
 

mkenyon

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Would this PSU be able to OC a 2500K and run a 7970 Matrix?


What else would you guys recommend? I'm looking for something semi modular under $100.
Yes, it will. No problem at all.
Actually looking at the ASRock Z97M OC. Seems to have everything I need.
If you get a chance, I'd definitely suggest checking it out in person, especially next to the other boards.

They're great for the price, but man, that thin PCB does not reassure me in the least for an enthusiast setup.
 

DevilFox

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Budget? Cause, the 5820K just launched. 6 cores/12 threads with 15MB of L3 Cache at 4+ GHz for $350. Plus, DDR4.

Thanks for the reply!
My budget is around $1100, I think a rig with Haswell-E and 16GB DDR4 would be too expensive.
PCPartPicker reports a total of $1045.91 for that configuration. At this point, it's more a matter of optimizing the configuration with better components in the same price range, if they exist, rather than changing it entirely.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Thanks for the reply!
My budget is around $1100, I think a rig with Haswell-E and 16GB DDR4 would be too expensive.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X99M Extreme4 Micro ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($229.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($208.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($83.60 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $1160.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-03 19:43 EDT-0400

Just saying though:

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This is one of those watershed platforms that's going to be relevant 6 years down the road, like the 920/X58.

And you can increase the clock speed to 4.0 GHz without even breaking a sweat. We're talking 50%+ improvement over the 4790 in terms of content creation.

However, I certainly understand wanting to save money. If you could link your PC Partpicker Build for editing, there's a number of good ways to shave off some money to best optimize without losing out on anything.
 
I spoke with the Corsair dude at PAX for at least an hour, and he did say that in terms of mice with good sensors (read: optical), that there is something in the pipeline that should be announced at the end of this month.

I basically begged him to take the M45 sensor and put it in the M65 body. He agreed, that is what should be done. He did come out and candidly say that the reason they can't do this is that most consumers buy mice based on the DPI # on the box. Putting the much more accurate and precise optical sensor in there limits that big DPI # in bold font.

But in terms of what is available now, you'd be looking at the Logi G402 (out in a few weeks), Steelseries Rival, Corsair M45, or CM Storm Spawn. Pick the one that best fits your grip type.

Rival = palm, M45 = hybrid, Spawn = claw. G402 is a weird one that seems to work best with small hands. I tried it for awhile at PAX and loved it, and I typically avoid Logi stuff.

For the keyboards, it doesn't matter at all. If you don't need the tenkey, I'd advise a Vortex Race:



Find one for $290 right now and you get a cookie. :p

I hate that that is the case with mice. Since it came out I've been wishing they would put a better sensor into the logitech g700, but nope, since the market for it is "gamerz" gotta have that high dpi laser.

Also for keyboards, the Choc Mini has a similar form factor to the Race and can be found a bit cheaper. I like the placement of the F keys, directly inline with the numbers, a bit more on it as well.
 

DevilFox

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($389.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock X99M Extreme4 Micro ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($229.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($208.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($83.60 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $1160.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-03 19:43 EDT-0400

Just saying though:

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This is one of those watershed platforms that's going to be relevant 6 years down the road, like the 920/X58.

And you can increase the clock speed to 4.0 GHz without even breaking a sweat. We're talking 50%+ improvement over the 4790 in terms of content creation.

However, I certainly understand wanting to save money. If you could link your PC Partpicker Build for editing, there's a number of good ways to shave off some money to best optimize without losing out on anything.

You mean this? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9Jh6NG

I don't know if it matters but before you go on, know that I'm not going to buy anything from those stores. Shipping costs would kill me, I have to buy things here where that $1160 becomes almost €1160 which is $1500. Great thing the 1:1 exchange, I love it .-.

Anyway, it's tempting indeed and I'll take in consideration whatever you suggest.
Meanwhile, a question about the RAM: I'm worried about the CAS Latency at 15, am I ignoring something relevant?

edit: we forgot the CPU Cooler!
 

The Flash

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After four years of suffering through a 3 gig, 218gb HDD, Dell Inspirion 1564, my new computer is finally operational. This serves as a good summary of how I feel now.
 

x3sphere

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http://videocardz.com/52122/overclockersuk-reference-geforce-gtx-980970-4gb-8gb-models-also-planned

Rumor #45967... it's hinted that GTX980 slots in between 780 and 780Ti, presumably aimed squarely at Hawaii's sweet spot.

Sounds like the 980 is going to be disappointing in performance then. I was hoping a fairly big leap over the 780 and a smaller one over 780 Ti. Oh well, I guess I'll just settle for one that's about 10% increase in performance. I'm sure it will handle what I want the next 2 years just fine.
 

rickyson1

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I recently dropped two grand on a new computer and this thread was probably my primary source of information,anyways I noticed a couple days ago that my account on this forum finally got approved(took forever wow) and just wanted to drop in and say thanks
 

mkenyon

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You mean this? http://pcpartpicker.com/p/9Jh6NG

I don't know if it matters but before you go on, know that I'm not going to buy anything from those stores. Shipping costs would kill me, I have to buy things here where that $1160 becomes almost €1160 which is $1500. Great thing the 1:1 exchange, I love it .-.

Anyway, it's tempting indeed and I'll take in consideration whatever you suggest.
Meanwhile, a question about the RAM: I'm worried about the CAS Latency at 15, am I ignoring something relevant?

edit: we forgot the CPU Cooler!
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $975.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-04 01:14 EDT-0400

4.4 GHz > 4790, great PSU (that V series uses Seasonic guts), cooler that is quiet. All for less, while getting the benefits of a proper Z97 chipset.
wow, that is sexy..

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Keep in mind, that kind of photoshoot is like looking at bullshots for an upcoming game. A case that inexpensive from NZXT is going to use some pretty cheap materials. Very different in person.

That being said, looks to be an awesome deal at the price.
 

Kinsei

Banned
One of the USB ports on my new computer isn't working. It says device descriptor failed whenever I plug something into it. Is there anything I can do to fix this?
 

kneePat

Member
Fry's had a 4790k for $279 this weekend, so I am going to end up upgrading from my 2500k. I looked at getting a mATX board for my 2500k and they have pretty much died off. Going to cost me $100 to get a board anyway, might as well upgrade.

If you have a Microcenter nearby, you can not only get that deal but a 5820k for $299 and you save even more money if you bundle it with a motherboard. And the 4790k @ $279 has been that way for like 4 weeks now, I think.

http://www.microcenter.com/site/brands/intel-processor-bundles.aspx

just processors link
 

Ezahn

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You should have just about enough space. This is the back of my CM690 II. Not sure how one screw wouldn't be visible, it's a pretty big cut out
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...unfortunately I was right: notwithstanding the big 690 II cutout, my mobo (AsRock P67 Extreme 4) wasn't exposed enough and two out of four screw holes were hidden.
Had to unmount the mobo (and half the PC) to install the 212. :-(
Sucked really hard, but on a positive note it seems to work well (even if the mobo resetted to the factory setting of the bios when rebooting).
When I first rebooted there was still fan noise, but it seems to have stopped after a minute, more or less.
 

Seanspeed

Banned
Is there any consensus on what is the best solution for NZXT Source 210 lack of dust filters?
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Clean it slightly more often than you would otherwise.

EDIT: Actually are those slots for dust covers there? Couldn't just buy a few? Or is that not what it looks like?

I need a new 120mm fan. What are most decent quality ones out there? Nothing crazy, nothing expensive. Just a solid fan as a replacement.
 
Clean it slightly more often than you would otherwise.

EDIT: Actually are those slots for dust covers there? Couldn't just buy a few? Or is that not what it looks like?

I need a new 120mm fan. What are most decent quality ones out there? Nothing crazy, nothing expensive. Just a solid fan as a replacement.

Yes that makes sense. Seems like it would have to be screwed there, nothing that would slide in and out.

Maybe one of these in each: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999217 and one more intake fan on that second there on the bottom..
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I was also looking at fans just now, and these showed up: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=35-103-052. I don't know how good they are, but I think they are the cheapest option for people looking for more than a couple of fans. Not that I think that's what you should get, just throwing it out there.
 

Seanspeed

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Yes that makes sense. Seems like it would have to be screwed there, nothing that would slide in and out.

Maybe one of these in each: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999217 and one more intake fan on that second there on the bottom..
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I was also looking at fans just now, and these showed up: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=35-103-052. I don't know how good they are, but I think they are the cheapest option for people looking for more than a couple of fans. Not that I think that's what you should get, just throwing it out there.
Well I don't know if I'd want something with a dust filter that I have to unscrew. Half the convenience of them is simply being able to slide them in and out. Then again, I don't mind getting my PC out and cleaning it every 3 months or so.

As for the fans, they're sold out. And I really only need one. Thanks, though. I'm just not very knowledgeable about fans and figured this would be a good time to learn, since I need one. Really just want something that will last well that I can put in and forget. I turned my CPU overclock down back to stock while I'm down that one fan. Might be an overreaction, but I don't want to deal with messing with the overclock if it gets a bit too hot.
 

xBladeM6x

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Well I don't know if I'd want something with a dust filter that I have to unscrew. Half the convenience of them is simply being able to slide them in and out. Then again, I don't mind getting my PC out and cleaning it every 3 months or so.

As for the fans, they're sold out. And I really only need one. Thanks, though. I'm just not very knowledgeable about fans and figured this would be a good time to learn, since I need one. Really just want something that will last well that I can put in and forget. I turned my CPU overclock down back to stock while I'm down that one fan. Might be an overreaction, but I don't want to deal with messing with the overclock if it gets a bit too hot.

Go with the dust filter he linked to you, it's good. Here's one of the best fans you can get for casing. Best part is that it's cheap.

Higher RPM Version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...=Corsair_Air_Series_AF-_-35-181-022-_-Product
Lower RPM / Quiet Version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...rsair_Air_Series_Quiet-_-35-181-020-_-Product
 

Seanspeed

Banned
Go with the dust filter he linked to you, it's good. Here's one of the best fans you can get for casing. Best part is that it's cheap.

Higher RPM Version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...=Corsair_Air_Series_AF-_-35-181-022-_-Product
Lower RPM / Quiet Version http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...rsair_Air_Series_Quiet-_-35-181-020-_-Product
Think you've got our posts mixed up a little. I do need a fan, though! Thanks. Sold out there but I found it on Amazon for just a smidge more. Went with the Quiet version and having a little blue ring will fit well with the black/blue color scheme inside my PC.
 

mossypne

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Just built a pc and ive put it together outside the case to test it works and when i switch it on the cpu fans and gpu fans spin up for a few seconds then switch off and keep repeating through that.
 
I have a question for you guys. I tried buying a GTX 750TI and 4GB of RAM for my PC, but the shop clerk told me I'll also need a new power supply that's at least 550 Watts or more. Do I really need it?
and can I install the parts on my own? since I have never even removed the case on my PC.
 

xBladeM6x

Member
Just built a pc and ive put it together outside the case to test it works and when i switch it on the cpu fans and gpu fans spin up for a few seconds then switch off and keep repeating through that.

Be sure that:

  1. You put on Thermal Paste
  2. CPU Cooler is properly alligned / attached
  3. RAM is secured in.
I've had the same issue when one of any of these has happened. Also, try it without the GPU in. I know these sound like novice things to check, but I've seen people put computers together and forget the most insignificant things.

Edit: What's your Power Supply wattage right now? If it's below 500, there's a good chance you will need to get something better. In which case, ask here first.
 

YoungOne

Member
So I have have to replace my motherboard twice. It was a biostarr h-ifi z87x so I'm gonna return and try my luck with a different manufacturer recommendations of a good z87 motherboard?
 

DevilFox

Member
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($338.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($109.00 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $975.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-09-04 01:14 EDT-0400

4.4 GHz > 4790, great PSU (that V series uses Seasonic guts), cooler that is quiet. All for less, while getting the benefits of a proper Z97 chipset.

Keep in mind, that kind of photoshoot is like looking at bullshots for an upcoming game. A case that inexpensive from NZXT is going to use some pretty cheap materials. Very different in person.

That being said, looks to be an awesome deal at the price.

Looks great, thanks! I'll post a pic of the rig when everything is done :D
 

xBladeM6x

Member
Time to build a new rig. Single GPU, no overclock. Priority is content creation first, then gaming.
How does this look? Any advice is very appreciated.

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Corsair H75 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler or any QUIET single fan AIO, any suggestion?
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard or MSI H97M G43?
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory or is there something better at the same price?
Storage SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive what about the 850 PRO 128GB at the same price? Is it worth the difference?
Storage HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Case: Corsair Air 240 MicroATX Mid Tower Case I like it but I'm worried about build quality and max GPU length.. the HAF XB looks interesting as well
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply this or the Enermax Revolution X't 530W (80PLUS GOLD) or even the Enermax Platimax 500W (80PLUS PLATINUM) if the wattage is enough

I'll pick my GPU this winter, I first want to see how NVIDIA and AMD move.
If you're looking into getting a brand new higher end GPU when it releases, you'll definitely want something around 600-700w for the PSU.
 

mossypne

Member
Looks okay to me, but I noticed that your RAM DIMMs are right next to each other. In most cases they should have an empty slot inbetween (depending on the motherboard). For example bank 1 would be slot 2 and 4, bank 2 slot 1 and 3.

Check your motherboard's manual to make sure you put your RAM in the right slots.

I only jhave 2 RAM slots. I still cant figure out this problem
 
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