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"I Need a New PC!" 2015 Part 1. Read the OP and RISE ABOVE FORGED PRECISION SCIENCE

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BlackEyes

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Maybe a fan problem. Are you running MSI Afterburner by chance? You can see if your fans are spinning.

the fans are spinning i checked it, yep i am running msi afterburner, even raised the fan to 85%, still reaches 90C, i mean i know the cards are close to each other, but come on it shouldn't reach 90C
it reaches 90C underload ofc, the second gpu reaches 50C TOP underload
 

mkenyon

Banned
i don't understand what am i doing wrong,, jesus christ i even bought a new case for this problem and it didn't fix it at all,
so here's the problem
sli 970 gtx
first gpu reaches 90C+
second gpu never passes 44C
here is how my setup looks like:
http://s27.postimg.org/ytlzkh5mq/unnamed_1.jpg
please help me cause i don't know what to do anymore T___T

and yes, i did switch cards and checked if the problem is because of 1 card, no it doesn't matter, which card, the top one always get so freaking hot it's insane
Couple of questions to help start the process.

1) Is it always at a very high temps?
2) Does it only get to that super high temp when putting it at load?
3) What have you used to see that max temp?
4) Do you have a custom profile set for your primary card fans in whatever program you use (likely Afterburner)?
Are graphics card fan supposed to spin all the time no matter what?

I have yet to see it spin, kinda worrying me.
There's a number of new cards that are designed to run passively until they need to.
 

mkenyon

Banned
H630 because it's sleek, no flashing lights, noise reduction with good airflow (from what I've heard). Suggestions welcome.
I wanted the adapter for Bluetooth connectivity; the PC will be plugged in to an Ethernet cable.
Are there MOBOs with WiFi and Bluetooth?
Wireless M&KB because I'm sitting 9 feet from the PC. I plan to use my PlayStation 4 controller or a 360 controller for most games anyway.
I'd almost suggest an ITX build for your purposes. Most ITX boards come with WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity. Are you totally married to the Blu Ray drive?
 

BlackEyes

Member
Couple of questions to help start the process.

1) Is it always at a very high temps?
2) Does it only get to that super high temp when putting it at load?
3) What have you used to see that max temp?
4) Do you have a custom profile set for your primary card fans in whatever program you use (likely Afterburner)?

There's a number of new cards that are designed to run passively until they need to.


1) no, only underload, at idle the first gpu is 32C, second is 27C
2) yes.
3) msi afterburner
4) no i didnt set a custom fan, i just keep the fan at 85% all the time
 

mkenyon

Banned
1) no, only underload, at idle the first gpu is 32C, second is 27C
2) yes.
3) msi afterburner
4) no i didnt set a custom fan, i just keep the fan at 85% all the time
So, it's hitting 90 degrees and more just in any game? What program are you using to *stress* the cards?
 

BlackEyes

Member
So, it's hitting 90 degrees and more just in any game? What program are you using to *stress* the cards?

i didnt use any program, just went into a heavily game, like assassin's creed unity, and ryse, the gpu usage reached 90%+ and the first card hits 90C, second card reaches 50C
(after couple of minutes ofc)
 
I'd almost suggest an ITX build for your purposes. Most ITX boards come with WiFi and Bluetooth connectivity. Are you totally married to the Blu Ray drive?
Not married to the BD drive at all. How does that change my build? Basically just switch the MOBO for an ITX one and remove the BD drive and adapter? My Windows 8 is on a disc, BTW.

Also, does the Mini ITX form factor preclude SLI setups (not sure if I would SLI anyway)? How cramped is it?
 

mkenyon

Banned
i didnt use any program, just went into a heavily game, like assassin's creed unity, and ryse, the gpu usage reached 90%+ and the first card hits 90C, second card reaches 50C
(after couple of minutes ofc)
Can you post a screenshot of Afterburner when this happens? Fan speed, GPU usage, and core temp.

And for real, you can swap them and the issue persists? If that's the case, then it's some weird setting or BIOS or SLI option that is making stuff act wonky. I'll dig into Google a bit to see if I can find something.
Not married to the BD drive at all. How does that change my build? Basically just switch the MOBO for an ITX one and remove the BD drive and adapter? My Windows 8 is on a disc, BTW.
Give me 30 mins or so, and I'll throw something together.
 
So I just had someone recommend me this build instead of my current build. However, I'm new to PC building so I'm having a hard time determining which one is "better."

Recommended Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($216.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1346.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:32 EDT-0400

Current Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($141.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1278.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:33 EDT-0400
 

mkenyon

Banned
So I just had someone recommend me this build instead of my current build. However, I'm new to PC building so I'm having a hard time determining which one is "better."

Recommended Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($216.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($31.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($97.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ ARC 100 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1346.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:32 EDT-0400

Current Build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($141.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.00 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($36.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1278.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:33 EDT-0400
Avoid SLI at all costs unless you actually need it, and the performance you need to push your monitor is not an option with a single GPU.
 

RGM79

Member
Alright fellow GAFfers, my build parts are complete and ready for purchase. I'm pretty happy with the way its turned out. Here's the final part list, which I'm about to order later today. If you guys would give it one final look over to make sure I'm not forgetting anything or overlooking something, I'd appreciate it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($108.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB 100 Million Edition Video Card ($342.98 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT H630 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.00 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech K750 Wireless Slim Keyboard ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G700s Wireless Laser Mouse ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1309.35


Special thanks to Hazaro and mkenyon for the advice!

If you're going to go to Microcenter for their in-store low priced i5 4690K, you might as well also pick up a motherboard and processor bundle there instead of ordering a motherboard from somewhere else. They have pretty deep discounts for those bundles, and I've heard that they will also give you a general $20 discount for purchasing any other motherboard with the i5 4690K.

I found you faster RAM for the same price.

The newer MX200 costs the same as the MX100.

The EVGA GTX 970 SSC is cheaper than the MSI GTX 970 100 Million Edition yet faster.

The newer EVGA Supernova GS 650 watt model is the same price as the older Supernova G1 650 watt model.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX200 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT H630 (Black) ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Pioneer BDC-207DBK Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($39.00 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech K750 Wireless Slim Keyboard ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G700s Wireless Laser Mouse ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1233.36
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:15 EDT-0400

You can save over $70 and with no drop in performance.

I'm finally done with my first gaming build. Its awesome and super fast, cant wait to break her in. I'm so hyped I don't know what game to test first.

Thanks RGM79, and everyone else who took the time to assist me :)

edit-
Oh and what was that program that's used to download a bunch of programs at once so you don't have to spend all day looking?

Ninite.com, most likely.

This is my first build. I've checked over everything, and as far as I can tell there's no compatibility issues. Is there anything I should consider changing, or mistakes I have made? I'm hoping to order this soon to take advantage of the Witcher 3 + Batman Promotion for the GTX 970.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H55 57.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($151.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($101.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.50 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1264.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 16:41 EDT-0400

Here's what I'd go with instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($97.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1174.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:23 EDT-0400

I switched out the Corsair H55 for the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo. The Corsair shouldn't be that much greater in performance, I think. The H55 is the lowest end model that Corsair offers so I'm not sure how well it compares (can't find any benchmarks featuring both right now) but the 212 Evo is a proven heatsink that should let you overclock up to and around 4.5GHz.

I went with the cheaper motherboard as a cost-savings move. Saving money there allows you to move up to 16GB of RAM which I think is far more useful.

The Crucial BX100 is a very nice SSD that is cheaper than the Sandisk Ultra II model. I don't recommend Seagate very much if possible, Toshiba seems to have lower failure rates than Seagate currently does.

The EVGA SSC ACX2.0+ model is available for the same price after rebate as the SC ACX2.0 model you chose. It's faster and will end up costing the same, so that's a no-brainer.

Paying $91 for a 650 watt power supply is overpriced even if it's gold rated and modular. When on sale, it's possible to find 750 watt models with gold efficiency and modular cabling in the $80 range. I recommend the EVGA Supernova GS 650 watt model instead, it's actually made by Seasonic and also rated for gold efficiency and modular cabling, yet costs almost $30 less.
 

BlackEyes

Member
Can you post a screenshot of Afterburner when this happens? Fan speed, GPU usage, and core temp.

And for real, you can swap them and the issue persists? If that's the case, then it's some weird setting or BIOS or SLI option that is making stuff act wonky. I'll dig into Google a bit to see if I can find something.

Give me 30 mins or so, and I'll throw something together.

http://postimg.org/image/luzh1gdsz/full/
here is afterburner screen..
it doesn't matter if it's oc'd or not i already checked, temps still rise
 

mkenyon

Banned
@NoMoreTrolls

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: EVGA Stinger WiFi Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1102.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:47 EDT-0400

*EDIT* Just need to add a cooler to that, and then your mouse and KB. Will run pretty much silent.
http://postimg.org/image/luzh1gdsz/full/
here is afterburner screen..
it doesn't matter if it's oc'd or not i already checked, temps still rise
And, does your card hit those kind of temps with only one card installed?

Also, what motherbaord are you using?
 

BlackEyes

Member
@NoMoreTrolls

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: EVGA Stinger WiFi Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1102.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:47 EDT-0400

*EDIT* Just need to add a cooler to that, and then your mouse and KB. Will run pretty much silent.

And, does your card hit those kind of temps with only one card installed?

Also, what motherbaord are you using?

i just checked if it hits with 1 card. not it doesn't
and im using asus P8Z77-V PRO
 

213372bu

Banned
How great is this deal?

I figure I can add a 970 and ssd and it'd be better off...

But how well would this fare pre/post-upgrade?

Not to be annoying or anything, but my price range for my new PC is only going to be ~$450 (perhaps a little more,) so would you guys recommend buying a completely fresh build, or this build with an added 950/970 + SSD?
 
Here's what I'd go with instead:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series:DT01ACA 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($97.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1174.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 17:23 EDT-0400

I switched out the Corsair H55 for the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo. The Corsair shouldn't be that much greater in performance, I think. The H55 is the lowest end model that Corsair offers so I'm not sure how well it compares (can't find any benchmarks featuring both right now) but the 212 Evo is a proven heatsink that should let you overclock up to and around 4.5GHz.

I went with the cheaper motherboard as a cost-savings move. Saving money there allows you to move up to 16GB of RAM which I think is far more useful.

The Crucial BX100 is a very nice SSD that is cheaper than the Sandisk Ultra II model. I don't recommend Seagate very much if possible, Toshiba seems to have lower failure rates than Seagate currently does.

The EVGA SSC ACX2.0+ model is available for the same price after rebate as the SC ACX2.0 model you chose. It's faster and will end up costing the same, so that's a no-brainer.

Paying $91 for a 650 watt power supply is overpriced even if it's gold rated and modular. When on sale, it's possible to find 750 watt models with gold efficiency and modular cabling in the $80 range. I recommend the EVGA Supernova GS 650 watt model instead, it's actually made by Seasonic and also rated for gold efficiency and modular cabling, yet costs almost $30 less.

Thanks for the advice! If I downgrade to the i5 4690k since the benchmarks are little to no difference between the i7 and i5, would I be better off getting a GTX 980 or going duel GTX 970s with SLI? Or is getting the single GTX 970 still the most efficient bang for my buck? I'm only planning on doing 1080p gaming.
 
ok... so after repeated problems with my old case, iv decided to start over. All advice and critique welcome :)
Couple notes: the videocard is one that i currently have. And im looking for opinions on whether this case/combo should be cold and quiet. I plan on gaming with one monitor, and playing games such as the witcher 3.. Im not super concerned about a huge fps.
Thanks!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($135.49 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($61.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($96.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.49 @ OutletPC)
Wired Network Adapter: TP-Link TG-3468 10/100/1000 Mbps PCI-Express x1 Network Adapter ($12.91 @ Amazon)
Total: $1086.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 11:38 EDT-0400
One more thing I would change on top of what mkenyon suggested:
Ditch that Kingston V300 SSD, as they switch its v300 line nand chip with a shitty one resulting in absolutely horrible performance.

Go with a Crucial, like this one, instead. It's 250GB, as 120 GB is rather limited. But drop it down if you so wish.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Thanks for the advice! If I downgrade to the i5 4690k since the benchmarks are little to no difference between the i7 and i5, would I be better off getting a GTX 980 or going duel GTX 970s with SLI? Or is getting the single GTX 970 still the most efficient bang for my buck? I'm only planning on doing 1080p gaming.
Buy the best single card you can afford.

The 4790K has the added benefit of being essentially at 4.2GHz out of the box. That does make a difference. Also, DX12 might make things much better for the multi threaded i7s. There are some games already that do benefit from the additional threads.

If you have any budget overhead, I'd recommend putting it towards a really nice 120/144Hz display.
 
If you're going to go to Microcenter for their in-store low priced i5 4690K, you might as well also pick up a motherboard and processor bundle there instead of ordering a motherboard from somewhere else. They have pretty deep discounts for those bundles, and I've heard that they will also give you a general $20 discount for purchasing any other motherboard with the i5 4690K.

I found you faster RAM for the same price.

The newer MX200 costs the same as the MX100.

The EVGA GTX 970 SSC is cheaper than the MSI GTX 970 100 Million Edition yet faster.

The newer EVGA Supernova GS 650 watt model is the same price as the older Supernova G1 650 watt model.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

You can save over $70 and with no drop in performance.

@NoMoreTrolls

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

*EDIT* Just need to add a cooler to that, and then your mouse and KB. Will run pretty much silent.
Thanks to you both. If I go with the ITX build by mkenyon, it will only have 2 USB ports, correct? Are there ways to expand that? The MOBO also has Bluetooth correct?
Also, how do I install Win8 with no disc drive?
Build looks great, BTW.

Edit did some research. MOBO has Bluetooth, many rear USB ports. Sorry for the stupid questions.
 

RGM79

Member
Thanks for the advice! If I downgrade to the i5 4690k since the benchmarks are little to no difference between the i7 and i5, would I be better off getting a GTX 980 or going duel GTX 970s with SLI? Or is getting the single GTX 970 still the most efficient bang for my buck? I'm only planning on doing 1080p gaming.

I would definitely recommend the i5 4690K if you don't mind.

I'm generally of the same opinion as Mkenyon, I don't really recommend SLI unless you're running 4K monitors or other similar situations where even the most powerful single graphics card won't cut it and you're forced to go with two cards. Not all games support SLI and not all of them scale well, so doubling down on the GTX 970 doesn't guarantee double the performance. In certain cases it does offer greater performance than a GTX 980, but you'll need to do a bit of research to see if the games you want to play will support SLI, and how well SLI works.

A single GTX 970 is still your best bet for price-to-performance. With some tweaking, you could overclock the GTX 970 and end up with performance quite close to a stock GTX 980, although specific performance figures will vary by the game. Of course the GTX 980 can also be overclocked, but doesn't quite offer the same bang-for-buck.

The single GTX 970 should do you just fine for now, it will be capable of handling very high if not maxed settings adequately in most games. I'd wait to see how AMD's R9 3XX line (rumored for June launch) and the GTX 980 Ti turn out before deciding to get a stronger graphics card or not.
 
Not to be annoying or anything, but my price range for my new PC is only going to be ~$450 (perhaps a little more,) so would you guys recommend buying a completely fresh build, or this build with an added 950/970 + SSD?

Well, a 970 + SSD will eat all that $450 budget and more so I am not sure how to do a fresh build with it.

Regarding that deal, the PSU seems to be a no name, low power 220W, which is only enough to barely hold that rig together as is. The i7 seems to be an i7-2600, which is 3 generations ago now, plus only 4GB ram and 500GB HDD. It's not bad at all for a budget rig but given the fact that it will require possibly a new case, new PSU to even make it work with a 970, I think it is not worth the trouble.

Save up and do a build when you have more funds is my suggestion.
 

mkenyon

Banned
Thanks to you both. If I go with the ITX build by mkenyon, it will only have 2 USB ports, correct? Are there ways to expand that? The MOBO also has Bluetooth correct?
Also, how do I install Win8 with no disc drive?
Build looks great, BTW.
There's a total of 8 USB ports on the back of the motherboard I/O. The case itself has two front USB ports.
 

RGM79

Member
Thanks to you both. If I go with the ITX build by mkenyon, it will only have 2 USB ports, correct? Are there ways to expand that? The MOBO also has Bluetooth correct?
Also, how do I install Win8 with no disc drive?
Build looks great, BTW.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that the build suggested by Mkenyon has only two USB ports. I count no fewer than 8 USB ports on the back, a 50/50 split of USB 2.0 and 3.0. It also supports two frontal USB 3.0 ports. Yes, the motherboard has integrated bluetooth, according to the product page (click on details).

You can officially download Windows 8.1 and load it onto a USB drive for installing. Installing from USB is faster than installing from disc anyway.
 

213372bu

Banned
Well, a 970 + SSD will eat all that $450 budget and more so I am not sure how to do a fresh build with it.

Regarding that deal, the PSU seems to be a no name, low power 220W, which is only enough to barely hold that rig together as is. The i7 seems to be an i7-2600, which is 3 generations ago now, plus only 4GB ram and 500GB HDD. It's not bad at all for a budget rig but given the fact that it will require possibly a new case, new PSU to even make it work with a 970, I think it is not worth the trouble.

Save up and do a build when you have more funds is my suggestion.

Urgh, sucks to hear.

In college right now and not really feeling to wait any longer as my last build is in dire need of upgrading.

If I were to budget ~$500 how much of a decent rig would I be able to roll with? In comparison to the $565 in the OP?

Edit: The 970 was in reference to adding on later... but it looks like getting a decent build in the now is more of a priority.
 
I would definitely recommend the i5 4690K if you don't mind.

I'm generally of the same opinion as Mkenyon, I don't really recommend SLI unless you're running 4K monitors or other similar situations where even the most powerful single graphics card won't cut it and you're forced to go with two cards. Not all games support SLI and not all of them scale well, so doubling down on the GTX 970 doesn't guarantee double the performance.

A single GTX 970 is still your best bet for price-to-performance. With some tweaking, you could overclock the GTX 970 and end up with performance quite close to a stock GTX 980, although specific performance figures will vary by the game. Of course the GTX 980 can also be overclocked, but doesn't quite offer the same bang-for-buck.

The single GTX 970 should do you just fine for now, it will be capable of handling very high if not maxed settings adequately in most games. I'd wait to see how AMD's R9 3XX line (rumored for June launch) and the GTX 980 Ti turn out before deciding to get a stronger graphics card or not.

I'll be getting a GTX 970 and a i5 4690K then. That saves me a good deal of money with the component changes.

Something I'm considering as I am in college is getting a smaller form factor case like the EVGA Hadron. I know it comes with a built in 500W PSU, so I wouldn't need to buy a separate one. Would I have any problems with an i5 + GTX 970 inside of EVGA Hadron with heat/overclocking, etc? Is there anything I would need to change about the build if I decided to get a Hadron? I know there are some cons to the Hadron, namely that I'd need to buy a new case and PSU down the line if I decide to do some serious upgrading.
 

mkenyon

Banned
I'll be getting a GTX 970 and a i5 4690K then. That saves me a good deal of money with the component changes.

Something I'm considering as I am in college is getting a smaller form factor case like the EVGA Hadron. I know it comes with a built in 500W PSU, so I wouldn't need to buy a separate one. Would I have any problems with an i5 + GTX 970 inside of EVGA Hadron with heat/overclocking, etc? Is there anything I would need to change about the build if I decided to get a Hadron? I know there are some cons to the Hadron, namely that I'd need to buy a new case and PSU down the line if I decide to do some serious upgrading.
The only downside to the Hadron is that you're extremely limited in terms of CPU coolers, and the PSU that it comes with, while a good one, is a bit on the noisy side.

I fucking love the Hadron case though. I couldn't believe how small it was in person. I was pretty meh when I saw pictures of it on the net, but in person it's really phenomenal.
 

RGM79

Member
Urgh, sucks to hear.

In college right now and not really feeling to wait any longer as my last build is in dire need of upgrading.

If I were to budget ~$500 how much of a decent rig would I be able to roll with? In comparison to the $565 in the OP?

Edit: The 970 was in reference to adding on later... but it looks like getting a decent build in the now is more of a priority.

This is something close to what you want and can afford, hopefully:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-GAMING 3 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($40.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Radioactive 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card ($233.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Raidmax Vortex ATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $506.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 18:23 EDT-0400

I know the G3258 and R9 290 are mismatched, but you seemed to want an SSD and gaming performance now as opposed to later. If you can live without a graphics card or can reuse your old one, you should go for this build instead for a strong base that you can upgrade later on:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-E ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($42.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $504.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 18:30 EDT-0400

What are your old PC's specs? If there's anything you can reuse like the hard drives or case, that could bring down costs. I'm already assuming you can reuse old hard drives here.
 
Urgh, sucks to hear.

In college right now and not really feeling to wait any longer as my last build is in dire need of upgrading.

If I were to budget ~$500 how much of a decent rig would I be able to roll with? In comparison to the $565 in the OP?

Edit: The 970 was in reference to adding on later... but it looks like getting a decent build in the now is more of a priority.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($103.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H81M-H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($41.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team Elite Plus 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($47.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 290 4GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $546.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-06 18:27 EDT-0400

Something like this may work.

Edit: beaten by RGM.
I put in an i3 build, which will essentially give you 4 threads compared to the G3258. But I had to opt for a spinning hdd only instead of a SSD.
For other parts, just take whatever is cheaper in the 2 builds. It should not matter much.

Edit2: or go with the GPU less build suggested by RGM and add the 970 later when you can, or something better then.
 
There's a total of 8 USB ports on the back of the motherboard I/O. The case itself has two front USB ports.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that the build suggested by Mkenyon has only two USB ports. I count no fewer than 8 USB ports on the back, a 50/50 split of USB 2.0 and 3.0. It also supports two frontal USB 3.0 ports. Yes, the motherboard has integrated bluetooth, according to the product page (click on details).

You can officially download Windows 8.1 and load it onto a USB drive for installing. Installing from USB is faster than installing from disc anyway.
You guys rock. I really like the ITX build, thanks. Final build here:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: EVGA Stinger WiFi Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech K750 Wireless Slim Keyboard ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G700s Wireless Laser Mouse ($59.99 @ Amazon)
External Storage: Western Digital Elements 1TB External Hard Drive ($58.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1272.87

Last step is to make sure that the video card still comes with both Batman and Witcher and that I'm not missing any bundle deals.
I'm pretty sure that the CPU cooler will fit in the case lol...

Edit shit maybe not. Do I need to get liquid cooling or something for this case?
 

mkenyon

Banned
You can run the stock cooler, but the neat thing about the EVGA Stinger board is that it works with almost all coolers due to the better CPU and expansion slot placement.

You can even fit a Noctua NH-D15 on there.
 

RGM79

Member
You guys rock. I really like the ITX build, thanks. Final build here:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: EVGA Stinger WiFi Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($113.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX100 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($179.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.98 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech K750 Wireless Slim Keyboard ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech G700s Wireless Laser Mouse ($59.99 @ Amazon)
External Storage: Western Digital Elements 1TB External Hard Drive ($58.00 @ Amazon)
Total: $1272.87

Last step is to make sure that the video card still comes with both Batman and Witcher and that I'm not missing any bundle deals.
I'm pretty sure that the CPU cooler will fit in the case lol...

Edit shit maybe not. Do I need to get liquid cooling or something for this case?

The 212 Evo should fit in the Node 304. Is there a reason why you see it won't?

And if I may suggest, here's 2x8GB of G.Skill 2133MHz RAM ($100) for the same price as the 1600MHz RAM.
 
You can run the stock cooler, but the neat thing about the EVGA Stinger board is that it works with almost all coolers due to the better CPU and expansion slot placement.

You can even fit a Noctua NH-D15 on there.

The 212 Evo should fit in the Node 304. Is there a reason why you see it won't?

And if I may suggest, here's 2x8GB of G.Skill 2133MHz RAM ($100) for the same price as the 1600MHz RAM.
Thanks again.
RGM79, PC Part Picker says that the 2133MHz RAM has a compatibility issue with my CPU:
The G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.6V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum

Is that a problem?
 

mkenyon

Banned
The 212 Evo should fit in the Node 304. Is there a reason why you see it won't?

And if I may suggest, here's 2x8GB of G.Skill 2133MHz RAM ($100) for the same price as the 1600MHz RAM.
It's worth noting that Avexir stress tests every single kit of RAM they send out. It helps to cut down massively on day 1 RMA stuff. They're the only company that does that, to my knowledge.

But that's more like hedging a bet with a worse product, so I also agree with RGM on the 2133. I just didn't have it selected in my PCPartPicker filters :p
 
The only downside to the Hadron is that you're extremely limited in terms of CPU coolers, and the PSU that it comes with, while a good one, is a bit on the noisy side.

I fucking love the Hadron case though. I couldn't believe how small it was in person. I was pretty meh when I saw pictures of it on the net, but in person it's really phenomenal.

What CPU coolers fit inside of an Hadron? Would there be anything else I should watch out for that might not fit inside of the case? Also, do you have any issues with heat with the Hadron, espically when overclocking?
 

RGM79

Member
Thanks guys. I've been running with this pre-built with an added Nvidia 650
after I gave my last computer with my brother back at home a while ago. So, I'm really looking forward to a performance jump of even the slightest.

Thanks for the rec. builds, how good will those builds perform on more modern games?

Exact performance depends on the games you plan to play, but either of the three recommended builds will run much better than what you have now. Even the i5 build that assumes that you'll reuse your current graphics card will perform somewhat better than the ancient Phenom 9100e, as your old processor is somewhat of a bottleneck.

Thanks again.
RGM79, PC Part Picker says that the 2133MHz RAM has a compatibility issue with my CPU:
The G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.6V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V). This memory module may run at a reduced clock rate to meet the 1.5V voltage recommendation, or may require running at a voltage greater than the Intel recommended maximum

Is that a problem?

Not really an issue. Higher speed RAM tends to run at higher voltages anyway. The only downside is that your RAM will run slightly warmer than RAM running at just 1.5 volts. If need be, faster RAM can be scaled down to 1600MHz and lower voltage, but it's harder to overclock RAM to scale up performance. Admittedly RAM speed doesn't make much of a difference except in specific situations, but if the price is right then it's easy enough to recommend higher speed RAM. The way I look at it is that if 1600MHz is considered the baseline of performance, then higher speeds like 1866/2133/2400MHz (at reasonable latencies) can only perform faster, but for slightly more heat. Performance gains will vary by the application or game, but at best you'll see performance increases in the ten percent range while at worst you'll see single digit gains. For the same amount of money you get to squeeze a little more performance out of the PC, and it's possible to underclock the memory to the same speed as the 1600MHz compatible RAM if you want, so it seems like a win-win to me.

Edit: was late adding a bit more detail and explanation, but I guess it's better than not mentioning it.
 
Not really an issue. Higher speed RAM tends to run at higher voltages anyway. The only downside is that your RAM will run slightly warmer than RAM running at just 1.5 volts. If need be, faster RAM can be scaled down to 1600MHz and lower voltage, but it's harder to overclock RAM to scale up performance. Admittedly RAM speed doesn't make much of a difference except in specific situations, but if the price is right then it's easy enough to recommend higher speed RAM.

Okay, thanks. No more questions out of me--i'm going to buy my parts. Thank you, mkenyon and RGM79!
 

mkenyon

Banned
What CPU coolers fit inside of an Hadron? Would there be anything else I should watch out for that might not fit inside of the case? Also, do you have any issues with heat with the Hadron, espically when overclocking?
You are severely limited by height of the CPU cooler, as well as lacking any sort of spot to hook up an AIO watercooler to.

I'd look at the EVGA ACX ITX cooler or the Thermalright AXP-100. The latter of the two is picky about what motherboard you go with though, as a lot of the Z97 ITX boards have weird CPU socket placement (I'm looking at you, MSI).
Okay, thanks. No more questions out of me--i'm going to buy my parts. Thank you, mkenyon and RGM79!
No prob.
 

Devildoll

Member
Specifically, the 3.5 GB chunk has a bandwidth of 192 GB/s
Whilst the .5 GB chunk has a bandwidth of 28 GB/s

So the .5 chunk is pretty darn slow, but it's better than going all the way across the motherboard to the ram instead.
All the benchmarks for the card since launch are still authentic, and it still is a pretty nice card, regardless.
 

harz-marz

Member
Hi all. I purchased a brand new gaming PC approx 4 years ago and at the time it was pretty top of the range. I have not changed anything since purchasing and was now wondering if I could upgrade.

Ideally I'd like a 970 and new cpu but will they fit in with the spec I have or would this be a waste of time and money? What would you change to bring it up to date or would I need to start all over?

Spec is as follows: (PC Specialist build)

Case
COOLERMASTER HAF 912 PLUS MID TOWER GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5-2500 Quad Core (3.30GHz, 6MB Cache) + HD Graphics
Motherboard
ASUS® P8Z68-V: USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs, NVIDIA®SLI™, ATI®CrossFireX
Memory (RAM)
8GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 4GB)
Graphics Card
1.25GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 570 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready
1st Hard Disk
1TB WD CAVIAR BLACK WD1002FAEX, SATA 6 Gb/s, 64MB CACHE (7200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply
CORSAIR 650W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX650 V2 - 80 PLUS® BRONZE (£72)
Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£19)
Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)
Wireless/Wired Networking
ONBOARD 10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
USB Options
6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL (MIN 2 FRONT PORTS) AS STANDARD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit - inc DVD & Licence (£79)
Office Software
FREE Microsoft® Office Starter 2010 (Limited functionality Word & Excel)
Anti-Virus
NO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE
Monitor
IIYAMA E2473HDS 24" LED WIDESCREEN, 2 x HDMI/DVI-D HD 1920x1080 (£169)
 
So i just upgraded to a GTX 970, and despite that, i still can't get a stable 60 FPS with WoW on Ultra, even on freaking old instances such as Zulgurub(where it dips to 35-40 fps in some parts)

Is it really just my CPU(AMD Phenom II X4 Black Edition 955, 3.2ghz) that's hurting me? Should I fear for how Witcher 3 will perform?

CPU is the problem I'd wager. WoW has shit optimisation (and is essentially single threaded).

My 970s in SLI use something like 30-40% at 60FPS with everything other than AA maxed out. With a single card, you should be free to run it just fine at very high settings. If you've set AA to something like 8x MSAA, tone it down and see.
 
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