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ricki42

Member
Should be coming already mounted. What do you mean the stock cooler? The one that would be on already on the CPU when you buy it? You can remove that?

When you buy the CPU new, it usually comes in a box with a stock cooler, like this:
st6pPfM.jpg

You'd mount the CPU on the motherboard socket. The cooler then goes on top of that with the 4 feet going through holes in the motherboard. So yes, you can take that off, and you have to if you want to replace the motherboard or the cooler.
But if your processor and cooler are already mounted on the motherboard, you don't have to worry about that.
 

hitgirl

Member
Anyone got suggestion for jet black super silent fans? I wish the Noctua black versions didn't have brown... two for sp and one for af.
 
Anyone got suggestion for jet black super silent fans? I wish the Noctua black versions didn't have brown...
I have some Cougar CF-12SB4 fans that are practically silent when I'm sitting like two or three feet from my PC. My Cooler Master 200mm and 140mm fans are louder.
 

Flandy

Member
When you buy the CPU new, it usually comes in a box with a stock cooler, like this:
st6pPfM.jpg

You'd mount the CPU on the motherboard socket. The cooler then goes on top of that with the 4 feet going through holes in the motherboard. So yes, you can take that off, and you have to if you want to replace the motherboard or the cooler.
But if your processor and cooler are already mounted on the motherboard, you don't have to worry about that.

Sweet. Thanks for the help :)
 

ricki42

Member
Anyone got suggestion for jet black super silent fans? I wish the Noctua black versions didn't have brown... two for sp and one for af.

I have some Fractal Design Silent Series R2. They come in a Blackout Edition. I don't know about super silent, but I can't hear much of a difference between them and the Noctua I have (I'm not running them at max voltage though).
 

Vans

Member
Hi GAF, I recently acquired a new Macbook Pro and want to install Win 7 on it as a VM, however, I don't have an extra key for it and I'm currently running Win 7 on my main gaming PC.

I just have a couple of questions:

1. Is upgrading to Windows 8.1 Pro a good idea? Will I have problems running any games?
2. What's the cheapest way of doing it? ATM I qualify as a student and I'm eligible for the student upgrade, I do believe the price is 69.99 USD for 8.1 Pro.

The main reason is so I can free my Win 7 key and install it without a hitch on my new Mac.

My PC specs:

i7-4770k 3.5 Ghz
12 GB DDR3 RAM
Gigabyte G1 GTX970

Thanks, GAF!
 

Verder

Member
So I'm coming to the last stages of ordering and just want to see everyones opinion on the build I'm going for. I could do last minute changes


CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII IMPACT Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($155.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASUS Graphics Cards STRIX-GTX980-DC2OC-4GD5 (569.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ Newegg)

would it be possible to add SSD also or should i just increase my Hard drive to 3TB?
 
Hey guys, I'm not sure if it's kosher to ask this here, but I pulled the trigger on this XFX R7 250E (don't laugh) bc of a price error on Amazon (it was CDN$50).

http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/amd-radeon-r7-series/amd-radeon-r7-250e-core-edition-r7-250e-znp4

It runs at 800MHz and has 512 stream processors and a 4500MHz memory clock.

Any ideas on what kind of performance I might get with an i5 4460? I'm still to put together my new system, but was curious/nervous about my purchase.

All I care about for now is playing Dragon Age: Origins and Skyrim, preferably at 1080p, but not married to the idea.
 

The Llama

Member
So I'm coming to the last stages of ordering and just want to see everyones opinion on the build I'm going for. I could do last minute changes


CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII IMPACT Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($155.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASUS Graphics Cards STRIX-GTX980-DC2OC-4GD5 (569.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ Newegg)

would it be possible to add SSD also or should i just increase my Hard drive to 3TB?
Someone else can give you more specific advice, but I'd get a cheaper motherboard, a 970 instead of a 980, and definitely get an SSD.
 

RGM79

Member
So I'm coming to the last stages of ordering and just want to see everyones opinion on the build I'm going for. I could do last minute changes


CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII IMPACT Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($229.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($155.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASUS Graphics Cards STRIX-GTX980-DC2OC-4GD5 (569.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 (White) Mini ITX Tower Case ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12G 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($76.99 @ Newegg)

would it be possible to add SSD also or should i just increase my Hard drive to 3TB?

You can add whatever you like. What's your budget? You can definitely save over $100, maybe around $200. What is it for, compact gaming?

Hey guys, I'm not sure if it's kosher to ask this here, but I pulled the trigger on this XFX R7 250E (don't laugh) bc of a price error on Amazon (it was CDN$50).

http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/amd-radeon-r7-series/amd-radeon-r7-250e-core-edition-r7-250e-znp4

It runs at 800MHz and has 512 stream processors and a 4500MHz memory clock.

Any ideas on what kind of performance I might get with an i5 4460? I'm still to put together my new system, but was curious/nervous about my purchase.

All I care about for now is playing Dragon Age: Origins and Skyrim, preferably at 1080p, but not married to the idea.

Barely adequate for 1080p gaming. Expect to play on low settings for better framerate. If you have a lower resolution screen like 1680x1050, 1600x900, etc, then it's ok. Techpowerup recommends only playing on high settings at 720p.
 
Barely adequate for 1080p gaming. Expect to play on low settings for better framerate. If you have a lower resolution screen like 1680x1050, 1600x900, etc, then it's ok. Techpowerup recommends only playing on high settings at 720p.

Okay. That's fine. You can't expect too much from a card like that, and it will hold me over until I can get a 960 when it comes out (and the price drops a bit). Thanks so much for your answer! Appreciate it. I Googled stuff and didn't find either of those things.
 

RGM79

Member
1500 is my budget

Would you like to spend $1500 or do you want to go for better price-to-performance?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($98.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1024.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 22:16 EST-0500

Going with alternative parts gives you 90% of the power of the build you had above but with about $500 savings, and there's a 256GB SSD included.

If you have $1500 to burn, how about going with mATX instead of mITX and SLI GTX 970 or something, that will be better value than a single GTX 980.
 

Verder

Member
Would you like to spend $1500 or do you want to go for better price-to-performance?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97N-Gaming 5 Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($132.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($98.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($50.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1024.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 22:16 EST-0500

Going with alternative parts gives you 90% of the power of the build you had above but with about $500 savings, and there's a 256GB SSD included.

If you have $1500 to burn, how about going with mATX instead of mITX and SLI GTX 970 or something, that will be better value than a single GTX 980.

i could go with mATX but that would require me to change a few things up?
i could also do GTX 970 SLI

Id also love to have 16GB ram
 

RGM79

Member
i could go with mATX but that would require me to change a few things up?
i could also do GTX 970 SLI

Id also love to have 16GB ram

Here's the new build. Went with SLI GTX 970, 16GB, 750 watt gold modular PSU and 3TB hard drive.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($98.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1510.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 23:01 EST-0500
 

Takosuke

Member
So I'm the middle of an upgrade, slowly buying the components as I find good deals, and need some advice picking the last part of my config.

Went from a i7 930 oc @3.8ghz, Cooler Master V8 (cpu cooler) GTX 680 and Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R, and replaced it by

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor *New*
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GD65 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard*New*
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive *New*
Storage: Seagate 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive *New*
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card *New*
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850W 80+ Silver Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply

Now, I don't really want to change my case, the HAF 932, but I'm wondering what good CPU cooler I should get.
The V8 was already big, but after doing some research on what should go well with the new i7 4790k, I am lost...

Air:
Noctua D14/15 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15/
Phanteks PH-TC14PE http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC14PE/

Watercooling:
Corsaire Hydro (110 or 100i)
Coolermaster Seidon or Nepton

I think that the watercooling one with dual 120mm fans will not fit in my HAF 932 case, and the big Air Coolers are also going to be eating the slots for my ram...

What's my solution, changing the case too? Any idea on a good Air cooler if the Water Cooling ones should be out of the picture?

Thanks!
 

Verder

Member
Here's the new build. Went with SLI GTX 970, 16GB, 750 watt gold modular PSU and 3TB hard drive.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($26.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($98.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($329.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1510.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-19 23:01 EST-0500


This is perfect. Thank you
 

ricki42

Member
Now, I don't really want to change my case, the HAF 932, but I'm wondering what good CPU cooler I should get.
The V8 was already big, but after doing some research on what should go well with the new i7 4790k, I am lost...

Air:
Noctua D14/15 http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Noctua/NH-D15/
Phanteks PH-TC14PE http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Phanteks/PH-TC14PE/

Watercooling:
Corsaire Hydro (110 or 100i)
Coolermaster Seidon or Nepton

I think that the watercooling one with dual 120mm fans will not fit in my HAF 932 case, and the big Air Coolers are also going to be eating the slots for my ram...

The bolded you can avoid by getting low profile RAM.
I can't speak to the other coolers, but I have the Noctua D14 and I'm quite happy with it. Quiet and sufficient cooling to get my 4790k to 4.6 GHz. I ran 4.7 GHz for a bit, but I decided I don't want to push it. Of course, that also depends on your chip.
 
I'm not sure where you are buying the parts and what product pricing and availability is like where you are, so here's lists of the best performing CPU coolers for thermal or noise performance, arranged by descending height.

Thx very much for the answer and very informtive link, will definitely keep it for future references.
I've ordered a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO, 160mm afterall ^^. Many of my friends recommanded it, and after further investigation found a lot of ppl using it in the prodigy M. Will post some pics whe the build is done.
 
Getting ready to make purchases tomorrow! Really excited. Looks like I can get most of my parts at comparible prices from Newegg or Amazon to save on shipping. Issue is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO cooler is out at both locations.

I see it is highly rated. Anything compatible for the price? If not, might just have to Micro Center it separately. Time is of the essence because of the holiday season and lack of work computer. Otherwise I'd just wait for stock.
 

RGM79

Member
Getting ready to make purchases tomorrow! Really excited. Looks like I can get most of my parts at comparible prices from Newegg or Amazon to save on shipping. Issue is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO cooler is out at both locations.

I see it is highly rated. Anything compatible for the price? If not, might just have to Micro Center it separately. Time is of the essence because of the holiday season and lack of work computer. Otherwise I'd just wait for stock.

There's the older Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus for $30. It's what the Evo was an update to. It's still available though, and temperatures will probably only be very slightly different. The only physical difference is a different fan in the box and better heatpipe layout on the Evo.

Here's the 212 Plus on top, 212 Evo on the bottom.
DSCF1461.jpg

If going to Microcenter isn't a big deal for you, then go for the Evo, though. If you don't mind moving up, then there's the Noctua NH-D14 for $75.. it used to be as cheap as $60, though. For absolute price-to-performance ratio, go with the Evo.
 

Sickbean

Member
I wouldn't recommend it, but especially not if you also have a HDD.

No HDD.

It's either that or have it sticking out into the living room. It's important not to stretch spousal good will with these sorts of things. She still doesn't understand the need for a PC in the living room.
 

Repo Man

Member
Ok Gaf, I've reached the part in my quest of upgrading my pc where its time to pick a case and a PSU. Currently running an i5 4690k and the plan is to get a nvidia gtx 970 at the end of next month or potentially an r9 290x depending on what the prices are like at that time.

For the case I've decided on the NZXT Phantom 530 because I like the look of it and I got experience in working with its predecessor in the past when I built a rig for my stepson.

With the PSU however I could do with some advice. I'm basically after something thats:

- Modular
- 750w
- has all the necessary cables for connecting the afore mentioned gfx cards
- is available in the UK and preferably from the overclockers.co.uk site as I've dealt with them in the past and had good experiences.

Budget for the PSU is around £100, the less the better ( because bills suck! :( ) but can go slightly over if needed.

Finally, not planning on OC'ing but would like to keep the option open. No intentions on going SLI / Crossfire though.

Thanks!
 

kharma45

Member
Ok Gaf, I've reached the part in my quest of upgrading my pc where its time to pick a case and a PSU. Currently running an i5 4690k and the plan is to get a nvidia gtx 970 at the end of next month or potentially an r9 290x depending on what the prices are like at that time.

For the case I've decided on the NZXT Phantom 530 because I like the look of it and I got experience in working with its predecessor in the past when I built a rig for my stepson.

With the PSU however I could do with some advice. I'm basically after something thats:

- Modular
- 750w
- has all the necessary cables for connecting the afore mentioned gfx cards
- is available in the UK and preferably from the overclockers.co.uk site as I've dealt with them in the past and had good experiences.

Budget for the PSU is around £100, the less the better ( because bills suck! :( ) but can go slightly over if needed.

Finally, not planning on OC'ing but would like to keep the option open. No intentions on going SLI / Crossfire though.

Thanks!

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-012-EA

It's an incredible unit.

Marginally cheaper with Amazon though http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J01K3E8/ and I'd much rather deal with Amazon than OCUK.
 

RGM79

Member
Ok Gaf, I've reached the part in my quest of upgrading my pc where its time to pick a case and a PSU. Currently running an i5 4690k and the plan is to get a nvidia gtx 970 at the end of next month or potentially an r9 290x depending on what the prices are like at that time.

For the case I've decided on the NZXT Phantom 530 because I like the look of it and I got experience in working with its predecessor in the past when I built a rig for my stepson.

With the PSU however I could do with some advice. I'm basically after something thats:

- Modular
- 750w
- has all the necessary cables for connecting the afore mentioned gfx cards
- is available in the UK and preferably from the overclockers.co.uk site as I've dealt with them in the past and had good experiences.

Budget for the PSU is around £100, the less the better ( because bills suck! :( ) but can go slightly over if needed.

Finally, not planning on OC'ing but would like to keep the option open. No intentions on going SLI / Crossfire though.

Thanks!

I don't know what the rest of your specs are, but if you're running a single graphics card and won't be overclocking right away, 750 watts is likely overkill. Something like 450 watts is already enough - the GTX 970 is quite efficient. You can run twin GTX 970s on just 500 watts and still have enough headroom for overclocking.

These aren't from OCUK, but Amazon UK and Scan are likely just as trustworthy.

XFX TS 550 watts bronze for £47
Silverstone Strider Plus 500 watts bronze fully modular for £60
XFX XTR 650 watts gold rated fully modular for £77

If you have no intention of dual graphics cards, consider mITX case and motherboard for a smaller computer?
 

Repo Man

Member
Sorry forgot to add that i got the mobo, cpu and ram sorted. Currently using them in my old case with old components but my old case isnt big enough to house new gfx cards so im having to buy a case and psu first.

The only reason i want a 750w psu is that ive read its recommended to have a 750w for the amd cards and since im unsure which card i end up buying i thought i'd play it safe.
 

RGM79

Member
Sorry forgot to add that i got the mobo, cpu and ram sorted. Currently using them in my old case with old components but my old case isnt big enough to house new gfx cards so im having to buy a case and psu first.

The only reason i want a 750w psu is that ive read its recommended to have a 750w for the amd cards and since im unsure which card i end up buying i thought i'd play it safe.
I don't know where you read that, but the measured power draw of the flagship R9 290X is only 300 watts at most. You'll be fine with a 550-600 watt power supply.

Here's a table outlining what wattage you need for certain graphics card configurations.
 

kharma45

Member
Sorry forgot to add that i got the mobo, cpu and ram sorted. Currently using them in my old case with old components but my old case isnt big enough to house new gfx cards so im having to buy a case and psu first.

The only reason i want a 750w psu is that ive read its recommended to have a 750w for the amd cards and since im unsure which card i end up buying i thought i'd play it safe.

For a 290X 650w would be fine, for an Nvidia card like a 970 or a 980 I'd go for a good 550w.

Still, the G2 is one of the best units on the market and is extremely hard to beat. Whilst the power output is overkill the warranty is killer, the quality is fantastic and it will offer the chance to SLI (not Crossfire) if you ever wanted to.
 

pixlexic

Banned
If I get a new motherboard do I need to get a new copy of Windows?

If you have a oem version before then yes unless you call them.and make a fuss.

If you bought the consumer version on the ms store or retail version then no. But be sure to deactivate windows before installing the new motherboard. Trust me its just better to do so.
 

Rebel Leader

THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Because my computery sometimes starts up then shuts down, starts up again shows UEFI bios (nothing there) shuts down, starts up again and boots windows.

So I think I need a new MB

A cpu test and memtest show no errors
If you have a oem version before then yes unless you call them.and make a fuss.

If you bought the consumer version on the ms store or retail version then no. But be sure to deactivate windows before installing the new motherboard. Trust me its just better to do so.
Deactivate?
 

yatesl

Member
Hey GAF, quick question about some RAM. I built this machine about 4-5 years ago, and it's since been given to my brother, and parts replaced (due to it being on it's last legs).

Looking to upgrade the RAM, but I'm having trouble working out what kind it is (short of taking a stick out and punching in the serial number). PCPartPicker (and other sites) suggest it's 1.6v - it's Patriot, silver with heatspreaders. However, RAMMon gives me this (sorry for this chunk of text):

Code:
RAMMon v1.0 Build: 1014 built with SysInfo v1.0 Build: 1087
PassMark (R) Software
www.passmark.com

Memmory summary for FAMILY-PC:
Number of Memory Devices: 2	Total Physical Memory: 3961 MB (4096 MB)
				Total Available Physical Memory: 1559 MB
				Memory Load: 60%	

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# of Banks                                                                     | 8                              | 8                              |                 |                 | 
# of Ranks                                                                     | 2                              | 2                              |                 |                 | 
Device Width in Bits                                                           | 8                              | 8                              |                 |                 | 
Bus Width in Bits                                                              | 64                             | 64                             |                 |                 | 
Module Voltage                                                                 | 1.5V                           | 1.5V                           |                 |                 | 
CAS Latencies Supported                                                        | 6 7                            | 6 7                            |                 |                 | 
Timings @ Max Frequency (JEDEC)                                                | 7-7-7-20                       | 7-7-7-20                       |                 |                 | 
       Maximum frequency (MHz)                                                 | 533                            | 533                            |                 |                 | 
       Maximum Transfer Speed (MHz)                                            | DDR3-1066                      | DDR3-1066                      |                 |                 | 
       Maximum Bandwidth (MB/s)                                                | PC3-8500                       | PC3-8500                       |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Clock Cycle Time, tCK (ns)                                      | 1.875                          | 1.875                          |                 |                 | 
       Minimum CAS Latency Time, tAA (ns)                                      | 13.125                         | 13.125                         |                 |                 | 
       Minimum RAS to CAS Delay, tRCD (ns)                                     | 13.125                         | 13.125                         |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Row Precharge Time, tRP (ns)                                    | 13.125                         | 13.125                         |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Active to Precharge Time, tRAS (ns)                             | 37.500                         | 37.500                         |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Row Active to Row Active Delay, tRRD (ns)                       | 7.500                          | 7.500                          |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Auto-Refresh to Active/Auto-Refresh Time, tRC (ns)              | 50.625                         | 50.625                         |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Auto-Refresh to Active/Auto-Refresh Command Period, tRFC (ns)   | 110.000                        | 110.000                        |                 |                 | 
                                                                               |                                |                                |                 |                 | 
DDR3 Specific SPD Attributes                                                   |                                |                                |                 |                 | 
       Write Recovery Time, tWR (ns)                                           | 15.000                         | 15.000                         |                 |                 | 
       Internal Write to Read Command Delay, tWTR (ns)                         | 7.500                          | 7.500                          |                 |                 | 
       Internal Read to Precharge Command Delay, tRTP (ns)                     | 7.500                          | 7.500                          |                 |                 | 
       Minimum Four Activate Window Delay, tFAW (ns)                           | 37.500                         | 37.500                         |                 |                 | 
       RZQ / 6 Supported                                                       | No                             | No                             |                 |                 | 
       RZQ / 7 Supported                                                       | Yes                            | Yes                            |                 |                 | 
       DLL-Off Mode Supported                                                  | Yes                            | Yes                            |                 |                 | 
       Maximum Operating Temperature Range (C)                                 | 0-95                           | 0-95                           |                 |                 | 
       Refresh Rate at Extended Operating Temperature Range                    | 2X                             | 2X                             |                 |                 | 
       Auto-self Refresh Supported                                             | Yes                            | Yes                            |                 |                 | 
       On-die Thermal Sensor Readout Supported                                 | No                             | No                             |                 |                 | 
       Partial Array Self Refresh Supported                                    | No                             | No                             |                 |                 | 
       Thermal Sensor Present                                                  | No                             | No                             |                 |                 | 
       Non-standard SDRAM Type                                                 | Standard Monolithic            | Standard Monolithic            |                 |                 | 
       Module Type                                                             | UDIMM                          | UDIMM                          |                 |                 | 
       Module Height (mm)                                                      | 30                             | 30                             |                 |                 | 
       Module Thickness (front), (mm)                                          | 2                              | 2                              |                 |                 | 
       Module Thickness (back), (mm)                                           | 2                              | 2                              |                 |                 | 
       Module Width (mm)                                                       | 133.5                          | 133.5                          |                 |                 | 
       Reference Raw Card Used                                                 | Raw Card B Rev. 0              | Raw Card B Rev. 0              |                 |                 | 
       DRAM Manufacture                                                        |                                |                                |                 |                 |

I'm looking to upgrade it to 8GB, but I'd rather buy 2x 2GB to add to it, vs 2x 8GB. It's currently using a stock cooler, so there's space.

This suggests that it's 1.5v (and my BIOS says similar, to 3 decimal places). Could I pick up any 2x 2GB sticks, with the same voltage, and it'll be fine? Again, sites suggest it's DDR-1600, but this is telling me 1066. Could I mix-and-match with these?
 

pixlexic

Banned
Because my computery sometimes starts up then shuts down, starts up again shows UEFI bios (nothing there) shuts down, starts up again and boots windows.

So I think I need a new MB

A cpu test and memtest show no errors

Deactivate?

Yeah with retail windows you need to deactivate the key to reinstall it somewhere else. You can do so in the computer properties screen
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
Is anyone selling some DDR4, 970/980's,or a 5960x?

Have a near new 4gb 770 and sealed Wasteland 2 to barter with as well in case someone wants to trade.
 

Repo Man

Member

For a 290X 650w would be fine, for an Nvidia card like a 970 or a 980 I'd go for a good 550w.

Still, the G2 is one of the best units on the market and is extremely hard to beat. Whilst the power output is overkill the warranty is killer, the quality is fantastic and it will offer the chance to SLI (not Crossfire) if you ever wanted to.

I was looking at the Haz's excellent build which said
"Bump PSU to V750 if going R9 290"
which is a 750W PSU and when I was looking at some of the 290X's on the OCUK website they also recommended a 750W PSU ( think the actual wording was "750W PSU required" ) but in all honesty I wouldn't know and I'll take the word of you guys. Been off the game far too long and haven't kept up with all the changes in tech.

Anywho, thanks a million for all the advice, I've decided to go with the EVGA Supernova as it seems to offer a lot of the stuff I'm after for a good price. Time to hit that "Order" button and hope my stuff gets here before X-mas so I can build during my days off.
 
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