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Is this what anime does to people?
I wish that somebody would make a Slice of Life moe comedy anime about feminists.
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HolyBaikal
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That's what all my family and friends tell me, and they seem to be right.
Why subject yourself to pain when being happy is much better.
Being right is nice, but being happy is even better.
I don't know why it's a good thing to subject yourself to pain all of the time instead of having fun and enjoying life.
I've seen plenty of perspectives from other people online. And I haven't isolated myself from it. I'm talking with people who have different opinions from me right now. People actually tell me that I consider other people's opinions too much sometimes.
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well, i don't watch much in the way of anime
Because if you don't feel pain sometimes, you're hollow. That's not being a person.
You consider other people's opinions but you've never stopped to consider other experiences.
HolyBaikal
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I'm sure I've considered... both? I'm not sure what you're saying.
Eh, there's a strikingly large amount of people who believe that the ending of Inglorious Bastards is how WW2 ended.
HolyBaikal
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If you're not supposed to learn about history from school teaching like text books and teachers, how are you supposed to learn about history?
ActuallyHulk
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How do you know happy without the bad? Sweet without bitter? Good without evil? If your diet consisted entirely of cheesecake every day since you were born would that be tasty all the time? I doubt it, it would be incredibly boring. Feeling pain is horrible but it's part of being alive. It makes the good great and the sweet sweeter.
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I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Do you mean your family tells you to stop being so sensitive and close-minded, or do you mean they go along with (and perhaps even enable?) your "Bubble Life"?
Search out books and documentaries about the subject, while using digression and research to separate the fact from the fiction, and make your own judgments?
HolyBaikal
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But if you feel too much pain, you might commit suicide.
It's good to be able to enjoy live and feel more happiness than pain.
Uncle_Classy
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Aren't moe and feminism kinda mutually exclusive with one another? Seeing an anime story based around a group of feminists sounds interesting, but I really doubt anything like that will happen any time soon.
You've heard bad things about the Madoka movie, so you're just not gonna watch it instead of forming your own opinion. War movies are too depressing so you don't watch them. Real life is filled with too much pain so you want to live a VR life free from suffering. You don't consider any life experience that might have more than a 0% chance of making you happy.
If you don't know pain/sadness how can you know and appreciate happiness?
Reading the words of people who lived through those things. Observing events in history and noting their effects on society today.
HolyBaikal
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My family and friends tell me I need to stop going to websites where people say ridiculous things, and stop caring about what they say. And just think that what they say is silly and don't let it bother me.
I went to a therapist recently, mostly for my gender identity disorder. And one time I told him about NeoGAF. And he told me that people on NeoGAF are ridiculous and silly, and to stop going there because their opinions aren't worth thinking or worrying about. I tried to show him a thread on my last appointment, and he told me he wouldn't go there and said, "people like that are a waste of time."
CliffyB is not a licensed therapist btw
Uh, it's not like there's a flowchart of life where the feeling pain bubble has an arrow pointing to suicide.
Pain is good. Pain opens up new mental avenues. Pain is sometimes the starting point to the path of true happiness. Pain makes you feel alive. Songs were sung to pain. People shouldn't diss pain, imo.
Maybe you're just fooling yourself that you're happy now and pain will set you free. You don't always wanna feel pain, just enough for it to open your eyes.
OT, from a realistic standpoint, how small a niche would a slice of life about feminists even cater to? I feel like the guy would come in to pitch the idea to his boss, the boss would mull it over and it would end up being a femdom harem.
crowphoenix
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It could, but imagine a Tsundere Feminist character who spends the show rejecting the constant advances of a male character only to reveal that she loved him all along and was just shy.
That is damaging to the message of feminism. It would give guys yet another excuse to keep after them even after they refused, which could lead to horrifying consequences if we take it to a dark conclusion.
Heh, well I feel the same way about Tumblr.
We're straying off topic a bit, but as I've found in life, living is about finding things that bring you joy and just leaning into it. Trying new experiences, parsing the good from the bad, and coming up with a gameplan that makes you happy. There's a lot of risk associated with that, but that's what life is. Risk.
Little bit of coffee out of my nose on that one.
RockTurtle
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if you can make an anime out of Guns as moe girls, you can make an anime about anything!
and that's why i love anime, cause anything can be a subject of depiction no matter how silly it sounds!
and that's why i love anime, cause anything can be a subject of depiction no matter how silly it sounds!
OP, please read this. I wrote it in reply to you a while ago but it's relevant now.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131895482&postcount=580
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=131895482&postcount=580
nailbombxx
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Doing research from multiple sources. Then making the most logical conclusion for yourself.
On the topic of the thread, an anime with feminist characters would be neat. But why must they be moe characters? A show about feminism where the characters must have the ideal feminine moe qualities and appearances? Do you see the irony of all of this?
Ooooh my sides. XD
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I believe it's called "anomie".
Like the reason you have a lot of stories about well-off, middle-class white kids going on shooting sprees, they live such closed lives, and usually got their way, that when something unexpected happens, they don't have any way to deal with the pain and either commit suicide or, unfortunately, go on a rampage.
Like the reason you have a lot of stories about well-off, middle-class white kids going on shooting sprees, they live such closed lives, and usually got their way, that when something unexpected happens, they don't have any way to deal with the pain and either commit suicide or, unfortunately, go on a rampage.
They could deconstruct that in a anime context.
Have the tsundere character never not reject the advances of the male character and the male character has to learn the hard truth that the tsundere really isn't interested in him at all, and never will be.
crowphoenix
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Of course, but then is she Tsundere?
I'm not saying it is not possible to do something like the OP is asking. Just that it would be difficult in a way that isn't troubling or dangerous, so to speak.
Of course, deconstruction sate always fun, and it'd be interesting to see something completely subversive. Don't know if people would learn to respect Feminism more, but I'd get a kick out of it.
I can't even imagine 20 people who could possibly learn actual history from Hetalia. If anything, that stuff gets slightly more interesting if going into it you know history.
You're also going in on this. Do you think you're going to get anything out of it?
And everyone hates it and it gets cancelled. Or, more commonly, the male is made out to be a bouffon character, and the reason why the tsundere feminist lead didn't want to be with him is because he's simply too much of a silly billy.
The most realistic 1 week romance is still in Jellyfish princess, and it's because the characters are internally flawed, even though everyone is gorgeous. But in the end, the end result of that show is NTR because the villains just end up falling in love with the heroes. I can't think of a show in recent memory that has an adult relationship either being formed for spinning out of control because the two people involved were just themselves.
Hence the word "deconstruct" the characterization appears on the surface to be exactly like that of a tsundere down to the facial expressions and then as the story develops it's gradually critiquing the nature of such characterizations and reflects a strong feminist message as a result.
That said if people want to see a anime that is distinctively very feminist watch Revolutionary Girl Utena for your fix. Or any of studio ghibli's works especially Tales of Princess Kaguya which is coming out on blu-ray next month. Or for progressive portrayals of LGBTI characters which can interpreted through a feminist lense there's always Wandering Son and Aoi Hana
HolyBaikal
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A little bit of pain can be okay. Most everyone feels a little bit of pain.
But I'm a hedonist and a utilitarian in philosophy. And I think that "seeking pleasure and avoiding pain" is good. And that too much pain leads to depression and mental issues and suicide and things like that. Post-traumatic stress disorder is caused by too much pain. Losing at a video game isn't too much pain. It can help you grow and be better at the video game. But too much pain isn't good.
Those are my philosophical beliefs.
I'll just say, in your quest for hedonism, I hope you aren't ruling out new experiences that can potentially be incredibly gratifying because it may be scary or the outcome uncertain.
HolyBaikal
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Oh, no, I try to be as open minded as I can.
I've changed my mind on a lot of things. I used to be a Christian. And then I used to be a Pagan. And now I'm an Atheist.
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This is like having a WWE storyline involving a sympathetic face character who is trans.
Mainstream otaku culture and feminism are fundamentally incompatible.
Mainstream otaku culture and feminism are fundamentally incompatible.
...Eh, in the new modern day TV-PG era of WWE, they could probably get away with doing that. Or at least, planning it on paper.
But man, it would be a shit show.
Appearing to be overzealous in avoiding pain makes people believe that you're not being genuine, which is itself bound to cause you more pain in the future.
HolyBaikal
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I'm... not sure what you're talking about.
This thread is out of control.
I'm offended.
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Well that's kind of the key, isn't it. You probably could physically make something like what is being described, but there's no guarantee how the audience would receive it. And since "moe" as a definition is so deeply tied to audience reaction there's no real way to say that it would even be "moe"
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Lethargy can lead to mental issues and suicide as well. People deal with pain in different ways. Some shun it completely and create mental barriers against them, while others welcome and "harness" pain and use it to try and better themselves.
HolyBaikal
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I like moe and I'm a feminist. And Lafiel does, too. I'm sure there are others like us.
Animal Farm The Anime.
HolyBaikal
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I'm glad that made you happy.
I do love "EDM" and J-Core. My three favourite genres are Hardcore, Hardstyle, and Denpa.
Sorry for using the word EDM, I know that some people don't like that word. I don't know what else to call it, I like a lot techno subgenres.
I don't usually listen to moro or speedcore, because a lot of content is upsetting. But She Wanna Paint Red is really energetic and fun.
I have several terabytes of Touhou and doujin music. And J-Core and Hardcore and Hardstyle and Trance and things like that.
Everyone has their own damage, and everyone copes with things differently.
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