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id Software pens open letter regarding the Doom Eternal OST and working with Mick Gordon
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nightmare-slain
Gold Member
i know everyone loves Mick Gordon but have to be honest i don't see what's so special about him. it just sounds like generic metal. whoever they get surely can't do any worse.
Loke
Member
Kinda agree. "BFG Division" is a cool song though but it gets exhausting when you hear it blasting in your ears for a long period of time. I honestly prefer the ambient tracks from Quake 1; more memorable and easier on the ears.
AdamMcKraken
Member
Based on this Gordon is a fucking tool, and I'm perfectly fine with id replacing him with other artists. His music is good but nothing so special that couldn't be done by others. I feel really sorry for Chad, he got the worst out of this.
Kharnivore2099
Member
Deadlines were not met by mick. Even after he'd arranged for an extention, he didn't meet his deadline. Id worked with what they had to deliver a product promised to it's consumers.
This certainly paints the situation in a new light, and doesn't rely on a single sentence reply on sociial media and knee-jerk reactions from Mick fanboys. I'll be interested to see what he says about it in response, as i'd like to know what kind of complications he had delivering the material.
This certainly paints the situation in a new light, and doesn't rely on a single sentence reply on sociial media and knee-jerk reactions from Mick fanboys. I'll be interested to see what he says about it in response, as i'd like to know what kind of complications he had delivering the material.
The_Observer
Member
I like Mick's music but if this story is true then fuck this guy, seriously. Props to Chad!
megamerican
Member
I love that Marty broke it down like this. If it was any less comprehensive people would just naturally take the side of the "poor fucked over artist" over the big corporation.
The original Doom and Quake games had amazing music as well, it's not as if Mick is the only composer in the world. I find a lot of his stuff grating after awhile anyways.
The original Doom and Quake games had amazing music as well, it's not as if Mick is the only composer in the world. I find a lot of his stuff grating after awhile anyways.
Nemesisuuu
Member
I'd rather have more Sonic Mayhem.
nowhat
Gold Member
There are many sides to any given story, but if this open letter by iD is true to at all, it is understandable why they wouldn't want to continue working with Mick Gordon.
But. There's one so ironic thing here that it must not be overlooked. We, as gamers or denizens of the Internet, usually root for the underdog. At the very least, usually large corporations like Bethesda (very much to a lesser extend iD) are on the receiving end for our dismay. And yet, if iD are the good guys here... we are effectively rooting for Chad.
But. There's one so ironic thing here that it must not be overlooked. We, as gamers or denizens of the Internet, usually root for the underdog. At the very least, usually large corporations like Bethesda (very much to a lesser extend iD) are on the receiving end for our dismay. And yet, if iD are the good guys here... we are effectively rooting for Chad.
Then don't read it and leave the thread, how are you going to form an educated opinion about what transpired if you don't want to read a couple paragraphs?
How the fuck do people finish high school these days?
I appreciate the write up and hope to (somehow) see Mick on board for their future projects, because the fact that Doom was reborn successfully was because of that amazing soundtrack.
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Barakov
Gold Member
Dont bump 8 month old threads if this is going to be your reply.
Hugare
Gold Member
Mick clearly fucked up
We didnt hear his side yet, but id seems to have the receipts (and the delays makes totals sense). They wouldnt lie about it, because if caught, their reputation would be fucked beyond belief.
The guys is a talented composer, but if you arent able to do your job on time, it really doesnt matter. Do your fucking job that you are getting paid to do.
We didnt hear his side yet, but id seems to have the receipts (and the delays makes totals sense). They wouldnt lie about it, because if caught, their reputation would be fucked beyond belief.
The guys is a talented composer, but if you arent able to do your job on time, it really doesnt matter. Do your fucking job that you are getting paid to do.
Lol, clearly got confused and replied to one of the "similar threads" at the bottom.
I'm still right though
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Patrick S.
Banned
Today is the international necrobump day, is it?
Md Ray
Member
Lmao.
StormCell
Member
I did. It was a great letter explaining a strained professional relationship and undue criticism for one of his employees. Dude is a boss.
StormCell
Member
Yep, and imagine how the audio lead must feel and being the EP who is seeing all the trash responses directed at them.
I can honestly say that I have a lot more respect for Marty than I do for Mick.
Mick needed to be more transparent about his progress and ability to meet the deadline. It doesn't matter if it's personal or burn out. It could even be slacking. Just communicate. No one is at 100% all the time. Just let the business know what it needs to do to help you help them.
OrionNebula
Member
Didn’t ID only reply because of Mick starting to go off on social medias?
I was under the impression he did It first, saying he’d never work for them again and all...
It’s funny, I was just checking for the Doom Eternal OST on itunes last week. Still not there for purchase (at least in Canada)...
lock2k
Banned
He really isn't. He is a cool dude and he loves to chat with random people. One time I posted a cover of one of his KI tracks and he came to compliment me on YouTube (and it was sloppy as fuck)
borborygmus
Member
Mick's problem was this:
This is the part that'd make Judge Judy shake her head. "[We] did not want to add the distraction at that time" is a weak excuse. They cornered him by announcing the OST like that. He couldn't really say "no" after that. But then his behavior later was also extremely unprofessional. Everyone involved in this should feel bad.
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tassletine
Member
If they wrote emails to him like that I'm not surprised he didn't get the work done.
And fuck them for washing their laundry in public. Smug, patronising bullshit masquerading as "truth".
And fuck them for washing their laundry in public. Smug, patronising bullshit masquerading as "truth".
BusierDonkey
Member
This happens a lot with people that have something that can't be bought. Being really good at something takes time. patience and often a natural aptitude. People get a big head sometimes because they know that talent like theirs is hard to come by.
Makes me appreciate the fact that I have no talents. Pretty hard to get a big head when you suck at everything you do. This is the way.
Patrick S.
Banned
This isn't the tag begging thread
StormCell
Member
I can empathize with artists. Sometimes the creativity just runs dry. Sometimes the desire just isn't there.
Everyone ought to know that paying for an artist to create something for you carries risk.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Sad outcome. Seems a piece of the story is missing. Mick is an amazing composer. My guess is life issues or other circumstances prevented success.
Decontamination Silo
Banned
As much as I love Andrew's work, 1 hour into The Ancient Gods I was dearly missing Mick.
I really really hope they're able to patch up the relationship for the next DOOM title. This is no knock on Andrew, I love DUSK and all his work, but Mick is an integral part of the new DOOM series.
I really really hope they're able to patch up the relationship for the next DOOM title. This is no knock on Andrew, I love DUSK and all his work, but Mick is an integral part of the new DOOM series.
IYAOYAS2019
Member
More like as we have recently seen via Micks own statement is that ID Software leadership (specifically Marty Stratton) is garbage tier at best.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
This is certainly a picture that looks plausible. Unfortunately.
I doubt this would've happened under John Carmack. Met him a few times and he seemed absolutely delightful.
The Tourmaline Gorilla
Banned
Anyone who hasn't read both full accounts doesn't get to pick a side, or even form an opinion in this! How lazy can you be? Siding with a truth you don't even know to exist.
Who's right/wrong here? Perhaps, both parties are guilty of both. But, clearly, someone is twisting the truth, a bit. But who? I guess we might never truly know. But if id is to be believed, Marty shaked on his responsibility, and got mad when he couldn't deliver, and id's team took it upon themselves to do what they must. Sigh
Who's right/wrong here? Perhaps, both parties are guilty of both. But, clearly, someone is twisting the truth, a bit. But who? I guess we might never truly know. But if id is to be believed, Marty shaked on his responsibility, and got mad when he couldn't deliver, and id's team took it upon themselves to do what they must. Sigh
Griffon
Member
Mick's answer is full of actual receipts (while Bethesda's statements have absolutely none).
Besides, it's Bethesda we're talking about, the same douchebag company that fucked over Human Head studio and Prey 2. Stealing wages and gaslighting contractors is their modus operandi.
Besides, it's Bethesda we're talking about, the same douchebag company that fucked over Human Head studio and Prey 2. Stealing wages and gaslighting contractors is their modus operandi.
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StealthGoblin
Banned
Mick sounds totally at fault for this and that Chad guy sounds like he did the best he could with what he had available.