Doom: The Dark Ages - 3 Million Players Already - 7x Faster than Doom: Eternal

Baemono said:
Last time it happened, Disney got sued https://time.com/6085578/scarlett-johansson-black-widow-lawsuit-disney/

It was indeed a terrible idea. Same for Matrix 4 releasing on Max simultaniously.
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They got sued by Scarlett because her contract revolved around Box office performance and they didnt even negotiate with her on the day one thing. It was agreed later. This has nothing to do with performance of the film for the overall business, but a cast member to my knowledge.

Also, why do you say it was a terrible idea? so people as in US, can't decide if they want to watch at home or at the cinema?

Make an appealing film that people want to see at the cinema then they will go to the cinema to watch it.

Make an amazing game and their will be plenty of people who want to support the studio, but also plenty that just want to "rent" the game.

Its like some people want consumers to have less choice how they spend their money, and how they consume it.

Boggles my mind.
 
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poppabk said:
Sony made more revenue from add on content than they do game sales. Fortnite makes zero revenue from game sales but makes enough money to prop up the entire company and a store and give away 50 odd games for free per year.
Game sales obviously matter but all the other revenue sources matter just as much.
Epic right now are giving away a day one game away free - explain that one?
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Because they have other sources of income( battlepasses, mxts, etc). Source of income only there if players play that game. You could remove doon tomorrow and it wouldn't really affect gamepass sub. So how much value did dark ages bring to ms

DenchDeckard said:
You are completely true though.

Imagine people demanding sales figures for films that have released from netflix.

It makes absolutely no sense.

Also, i was thinking about this the other day. I wasn't really active here back then but I seem to remember universal praise for Sony adding free games to playstation plus in the ps3 games. I don't recall a push that the service is negative and will affect profitability in sales of the included games.

I thought it was welcomed as Sony needed to do something to differentiate because they couldn't compete with Xbox live.

Ms introduces gamepass because they need a differentiator and now we are all worrying about the sales of games...

I find it odd. Both will have agreements with the publisher that they agree to.
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Sony ps3 games were old games, Sony rarely puts day 1 games on plus. Even the games it does put day 1 have alternate sources of income. Which alternate sources of income does doom the dark ages have?
 
DenchDeckard said:
Yes, I completely get it. But, if a studio like Disney launched a film day one in the movies and on Disney plus, then it only makes sense to consider this when discussing the box office numbers. The box office opening weekend would absolutely be affected and not give a true reflection if comparing to other films. its not an apples to apples situation.
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I agree it would affect box office. If they stopped reporting box office though and started only giving a combined viewer number it would be pretty worthless, which is where we are with hybrid game releases only reporting player numbers.

I believe some movies had hybrid releases during the scamdemic restrictions and we got box office numbers, but whether that would continue if hybrid releases became the norm is hard to say. In time they may resort to the same spin as the games industry.
 
DenchDeckard said:
Also, why do you say it was a terrible idea?
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Releasing a movie in a theater makes money for everybody, the producers, the distributor/publisher of the movie, the theaters that air the movie, even the popcorn maker, etc.

When all this stream of revenue is shrunken down cause the same movie is available to a (back then) 6$ subscription service, the whole system based on the hope that people would come to watch a movie collapse.

It is no surprise that this kind of release didn't have much success and no one is doing it anymore, unless it's specific cases like Netflix movies (which work the other way round).
 
Insanemaelstrom said:
Because they have other sources of income( battlepasses, mxts, etc). Source of income only there if players play that game. You could remove doon tomorrow and it wouldn't really affect gamepass sub. So how much value did dark ages bring to ms


Sony ps3 games were old games, Sony rarely puts day 1 games on plus. Even the games it does put day 1 have alternate sources of income. Which alternate sources of income does doom the dark ages have?
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Doom is literally available to buy on every platform including Xbox. I don't get what you are asking?
 
Branded said:
A co-op horde mode of some kind would have been a perfect fit for this. Or perhaps take the existing maps, remix them, add ridiculous difficulty settings and do co-op that way.
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Agreed. I'm surprised we haven't seen more emphasis on co-op in any form across all titles. I guess Snap Map in 2016 had methods where you could, but other than that there was no attention.
 
Negotiator101 said:
What are you talking about? The Gamepass subscription pays for the game's, I don't understand how you people don't understand that. Additional sales and Doom will certainly have more than 1 million just adds to the revenue.
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NO IT DOESN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP WITH THIS LYING BS!
 
DenchDeckard said:
Doom is literally available to buy on every platform including Xbox. I don't get what you are asking?
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You are comparing ms putting doom day 1 to Sony putting games for free on plus. The main difference is that, besides being rare, the day 1 games Sony puts on ps plus usually have mxts or other alternate sources of income which benefit from the increase in player presence. Not to mention Sony usually puts 2-3+ year old games on plus, which serves as a marketing tool to not only push the subscription but also introduce new players to franchise, resulting in sequels selling even better.

Doom tda doesn't have any alternate sources of income which can benefit from the "3 million" player engagement metric. Infact, it seems that inside of providing value to ms, doom's sales were handicapped due to gp.

Also, in terms of value to gp, doom tda could have never launched on gp and gp would not have had any significant impact when it comes to subscriber numbers.

So, in total what value did this game provide to ms?
 
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Haven't played Doom since the OG. Got this for free with my new laptop. I tend to play jRPGs and open world narrative games.

Any chance I like this? Is it pure combat or is their cool exploration/settings too? I'll probably at least try it regardless.
 
Insanemaelstrom said:
You are comparing ms putting doom day 1 to Sony putting games for free on plus. The main difference is that, besides being rare, the day 1 games Sony puts on ps plus usually have mxts or other alternate sources of income which benefit from the increase in player presence. Not to mention Sony usually puts 2-3+ year old games on plus, which serves as a marketing tool to not only push the subscription but also introduce new players to franchise, resulting in sequels selling even better.

Doom tda doesn't have any alternate sources of income which can benefit from the "3 million" player engagement metric. Infact, it seems that inside of providing value to ms, doom's sales were handicapped due to gp.

Also, in terms of value to gp, doom tda could have never launched on gp and gp would not have had any significant impact when it comes to subscriber numbers.

So, in total what value did this game provide to ms?
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What games with microtransactions are you talking about.

Also, nearly every game on gamepass that ms provides has deluxe upgrades and other packs with skins etc so I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Metnut said:
Haven't played Doom since the OG. Got this for free with my new laptop. I tend to play jRPGs and open world narrative games.

Any chance I like this? Is it pure combat or is their cool exploration/settings too? I'll probably at least try it regardless.
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You should try 2016 Doom. The mechanics aren't complex and it came out before the major experiements with the formula (and dumping lore on people) so it's focused on shooting as it should be.
 
Metnut said:
Haven't played Doom since the OG. Got this for free with my new laptop. I tend to play jRPGs and open world narrative games.

Any chance I like this? Is it pure combat or is their cool exploration/settings too? I'll probably at least try it regardless.
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Its has other stuff but game whittles down to pure combat.

One must be a fps genre fan to get most out of it.

Otherwise, its still fine to run through it once.
 
This Doom has been a huge failure in every possible metric, in one week it has barely sold a million and in the GP it has barely been tested by a couple of million, quite little.
 
DenchDeckard said:
What games with microtransactions are you talking about.

Also, nearly every game on gamepass that ms provides has deluxe upgrades and other packs with skins etc so I have no idea what you are talking about.
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The games that launch day 1 with plus either launch with mxts, constant stream of dlcs or battlepasses that take advantage of the high number of played the game becomes available to. Even destruction all stars got battlepass soon after launch.

Besides them being either old or low budget games, they still have alternate means of earning money. They are a lot like free to play games in that behaviour, heck aot of them eventually end up becoming free to play.

What ms is doing is putting high budget AAA games day 1 on gamepass, cratering their sales( Indiana Jones, according to ampere hasn't even sold 1 million units yet, thats astonishingly bad for a AAA games, even anthem sold 2 million in its first week for example). And the only means of extra income is, as you said, a deluxe edition. That's not nearly enough to make up for the loss of sales and it is showing.

It has already forced ms to start releasing games on ps and it just shows their lack of insight on how to run their own business.
 
Insanemaelstrom said:
The games that launch day 1 with plus either launch with mxts, constant stream of dlcs or battlepasses that take advantage of the high number of played the game becomes available to. Even destruction all stars got battlepass soon after launch.

Besides them being either old or low budget games, they still have alternate means of earning money. They are a lot like free to play games in that behaviour, heck aot of them eventually end up becoming free to play.

What ms is doing is putting high budget AAA games day 1 on gamepass, cratering their sales( Indiana Jones, according to ampere hasn't even sold 1 million units yet, thats astonishingly bad for a AAA games, even anthem sold 2 million in its first week for example). And the only means of extra income is, as you said, a deluxe edition. That's not nearly enough to make up for the loss of sales and it is showing.

It has already forced ms to start releasing games on ps and it just shows their lack of insight on how to run their own business.
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No idea why they don't just release stuff to gamepass after a period of retail only. Maybe the odd day one drop here and there.

More successful titles come later, stuff that bombs comes sooner. Like the way Hollywood treats Cinema. Its not rocket science.
 
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clarky said:
No idea why they don't just release stuff to gamepass after a period of retail only. Maybe the odd day one drop here and there.

More successful titles come later, stuff that bombs comes sooner. Like they was Hollywood treats Cinema. Its not rocket science.
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Agreed. Not to mention that ms now owns both Bethesda and Activision, it now has 40+ studios(*), and that isn't cheap.

Putting all your games day 1 on a subscription service just isn't sustainable. Even a 6 months to a year of delay would makes things far better for them.

There is a reason why Xbox games, even after good reviews, are not getting the sales they should and I am pretty sure it is the value degradation due to gamepass.
 
Insanemaelstrom said:
Agreed. Not to mention that ms now owns both Bethesda and Activision, it now has 40+ studios(*), and that isn't cheap.

Putting all your games day 1 on a subscription service just isn't sustainable. Even a 6 months to a year of delay would makes things far better for them.

There is a reason why Xbox games, even after good reviews, are not getting the sales they should and I am pretty sure it is the value degradation due to gamepass.
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Easy answer. They need new games to get the sub numbers to tout for the quarterly report or internal reports. These subs can be temp so long as it can be counted.

It's a short term bump where what you and the post are stating are long term but slow strats for both the game and the service. To keep this going, they need to be a content factory.

IMO it's a dumb ass strat but it's common. This isn't just Microsoft but most media or streaming companies focus on the immediate these days.
 
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Heisenberg007 said:
According to Ampere:

Of the "3 million players":
  • 1.8M - Xbox Gamepass
  • 200k~ - Xbox Purchases
  • 500k - Playstation
  • 390-450k~ - Steam
  • The rest on PC Gamepass and Battle.net
So the game sold 1 million copies at best. Wow.

Source.
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By the way, I also found it interesting that PC Game Pass users only made somewhere between 1.6% and 3.3% of the total player base. Compared to this tiny percentage, 13-15% PC players bought the game on Steam.

This is super interesting because:
  1. We don't often get these numbers.
  2. This also shows that low CCU or Steam sales of a game launching on PC Game Pass has nothing to do with Game Pass. The overwhelming majority of PC players are buying the game, not playing via Game Pass.
 
Insanemaelstrom said:
The games that launch day 1 with plus either launch with mxts, constant stream of dlcs or battlepasses that take advantage of the high number of played the game becomes available to. Even destruction all stars got battlepass soon after launch.

Besides them being either old or low budget games, they still have alternate means of earning money. They are a lot like free to play games in that behaviour, heck aot of them eventually end up becoming free to play.

What ms is doing is putting high budget AAA games day 1 on gamepass, cratering their sales( Indiana Jones, according to ampere hasn't even sold 1 million units yet, thats astonishingly bad for a AAA games, even anthem sold 2 million in its first week for example). And the only means of extra income is, as you said, a deluxe edition. That's not nearly enough to make up for the loss of sales and it is showing.

It has already forced ms to start releasing games on ps and it just shows their lack of insight on how to run their own business.
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Destruction all stars was 5 years ago. Can you name some more?


Microsoft are the kings of providing microtransactions. Its not a good thing.
 
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