If you buy the All Digital PS5 and you get Account Banned, does that make the Console useless?

sn0man said:
You bought a license to access the store and download a copy. They can and will enforce these things
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I didn't understand the " you bought a license"! but anyway, it should be illegal to enforce something like that! you bought those games then you owned them. they can enforce whatever they want on free stuff they give but not things you bought.
 
Alone in 2020 said:
I didn't understand the " you bought a license"! but anyway, it should be illegal to enforce something like that! you bought those games then you owned them. they can enforce whatever they want on free stuff they give but not things you bought.
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You don't buy the game you buy a licence to use it, and that licence comes with terms and conditions. If you break said T&Cs then they can and will revoke your licence.

If they wanted to be technical the could claim they haven't taken away your games, they've just disallowed access to their login servers, which are needed to verify ownership of said games.
 
To be fair the odd time someone innocent has had an account banned we've all banded together and sorted it out.

99% of the time online hate, cheating, moding etc is the reason and I've got no sympathy for those people. If anything been so strict provides a better environment for all.

I will say though the companys terms of service doesn't override your legal rights in which ever country you reside in. Personally speaking an online console ban would be the best solution, provided there isn't an easy work around.
 
The question was more if you got banned that your games wouldn't be accessable.

I don't think anyone here needs to worry about being banned (I hope), but it is an interesting discussion on Viewpoints on whether you buy one or a Disc Version.

I personally would buy the Disc version because you can choose whether you want to buy a Physical or Digital game whereas you are limited with Digital Only with the cheaper but discless version.

If you can still play your games on another account then that would be fair but locking your games behind said account would suck if you did get banned.
 
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Starlight Lotice said:
So if people bought the Digital PS5 Console and they got banned. Would they not be able to play their games, therefore it becomes useless?
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If your account gets banned now on PS4 do you lose access to your digital games?

Because it would be the exact same thing....

Either behave online or if you are afraid you might not, buy your games on another PSN account, set your console to be the primary console and play all the games using your regular account. Problem solved...
 
a multicultural team of v said:
Microsoft has had an all digital console for years now, has this ever even happened to anyone with it?
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Funny story about that. So I modded my Xbox 360 back in the day to play burnt games. Being young and stupid, of course I'm playing online with these games, untill the day I went and actually bought ballad of gay Tony (gta dlc). I got banned while downloading it overnight. the download didn't finish and I couldn't re-download it due to being banned.


So yes, if you get banned you lose access to your games and I believe that's on both systems.

I knew someone who blew $500 of their parent's money on gta shark cards. Their parent did a charge back, and the kid got banned for the charge back.

I think most people will be safe, as long as you don't bootleg anything.

It would be bad for business to ban people outside of system tampering or money issues. Ecosystems require trust for people to buy into them. If I get banned over something petty and lose a thousand dollars worth of games, I'm going to shout from the highest monuntin top to not invest in that companies platform. And I'm sure a lot of people feel the same.
 
Did you guys live under a rock for the past 5 years? Since when is this news??? This has been on PlayStation and Xbox since digital started. There's been plenty ppl for example making chargeback or should i say their bank does if they havent turned on automatic annual billing. This was always a thing with all digital, hence the topics why go digital or phisical.

What happens to your PS+ games when your subscription runs out? They get locked out and unplayable until you renew. So what do you think happens when your whole account is banned? Kiss every dollar spent goodbye. Fuck digital.
 
Tangerine said:
Sounds like a healthy relationship.
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Living as law-abiding citizen never is.

If most people had the interest to read 5% of regulations that they accept in their lifes... They would be surprised.... A video game tos should be the least of anyone's concern.
 
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AeneaGames said:
If your account gets banned now on PS4 do you lose access to your digital games?

Because it would be the exact same thing....

Either behave online or if you are afraid you might not, buy your games on another PSN account, set your console to be the primary console and play all the games using your regular account. Problem solved...
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Although that is a good solution, should you really have to go through those steps in order to behave?

The question was more losing all your games on a Digital Only PS5 and whether you wish to bother starting again, knowing you lost a huge amount of money buying these games (given the purpose of this is to let you buy these games at full MRSP price without owning them physically).

People have been sadly banned who have behaved which is hopefully not very common but those people who bought a Digital Only PS5 would be rightfully angry if they can't even play it offline.
 
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Starlight Lotice said:
Although that is a good solution, should you really have to go through those steps in order to behave?
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If you behave nothing should be wrong tho. The chance of getting banned wrongfully is very minor and am sure you would be able to get it reversed.

Starlight Lotice said:
The question was more losing all your games on a Digital Only PS5 and whether you wish to bother starting again, knowing you lost a huge amount of money buying these games (given the purpose of this is to let you buy these games at full MRSP price without owning them physically).
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Sure, but it's the same as it has always been, that this device does not have a disc doesn't really matter much. If you now misbehave online and your account gets banned you lose all your digital items as well.

I do think there should be a better way in place at both companies to ask for a reversal in the cases it's not correct...
 
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StreetsofBeige said:
Anyone know why there's such a divide in gaming between disc buyers and all-digital gamers, when just about everyone is totally fine with music and movies being all digital or sub plans?

Gamers hardcore into buying the game disc don't seem to be so eager to buy CDs and actual DVD/BR when there's still tons of content that has physical.
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I still buy majority CDs but supplement it with streaming. I have seen multiple albums yanked from streaming services. Blu-Ray less so. To answer your question I believe games hold more value for resell and are shared more often than CD/Blu-ray.
 
So basically, if you have a digital console, the best thing you do is not to purchase games. Activate something like Xbox Game pass, use and abuse it... if banned, you don't loose much.
 
Lost my microsoft account, got hack online help is powerless now I sold my xbox one x. No service from Microsoft at all, only redirect me on the online recovery. All is automatic, no human supervision.

My experience with Nintendo was 100% positive, I talk to somebody and I changed my email.

Bottom line, with a digital service you are at a whim of the company you gave your dollar to.

Also an all automated service is really dumb, thanks for nothing microsoft.
 
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Generally yes, that's how console/account bans work (and this generally applies to physical copies too) but there's a simple solution:

don't play stupid games that win you stupid prizes (like modding, hacking or pirating)
 
MastaKiiLA said:
The 1 in literally a million case. Edge cases can be resolved simply enough. Contact support, and provide them with a picture of your photo ID, showing your name. This isn't complicated. If you're worried about a ban on a subscription service, you should be giving more consideration to your own behavior than the terms of service. I also find it ironic that someone would pay extra for the disc version this billion dollar corporation is selling, because they are afraid of something that affects a minuscule percent of people who largely deserve it. That's called idiot's insurance.
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Oh, I agree that its mostly self-sabotage in ban cases. But I also know that there are a lot of cases where people aren't at fault and are banned. If not for the power of social media, a lot of those accounts would still be down. My point is it does happen and not everyone is lucky, so giving these Corps more power, in my opinion isn't the smartest of moves. The game scene continues to get flaky as the day goes by and our rights (At least in NA) continues to be lame compared to other places.
 
I've never been banned from a console nor do I know anyone who has been banned. I don't see myself ever getting banned. Sony isn't ResetERA. They won't ban you for no reason.
 
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It's not just about being banned - you can get locked out of your account quickly enough if, for example, your 2 step authentication texts get delayed or don't come through (this has happened to me).

Also, people here saying "just don't get banned" is quite amusing as they've been banned from GAF at times. They'd say it wasn't deserved - but it happens.
 
Starlight Lotice said:
The question was more if you got banned that your games wouldn't be accessable.

I don't think anyone here needs to worry about being banned (I hope), but it is an interesting discussion on Viewpoints on whether you buy one or a Disc Version.

I personally would buy the Disc version because you can choose whether you want to buy a Physical or Digital game whereas you are limited with Digital Only with the cheaper but discless version.

If you can still play your games on another account then that would be fair but locking your games behind said account would suck if you did get banned.
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Yeah it's weird. Paying money for digital access does buy you more in a sense than physical but also less.

Think about it like copies of a game. With digital you are never really buying a copy of the game. You are buying access to download a copy. That access is more powerful to some potentially. You can download now. You can download in a week. You can probably download in 4 years from now. (So it's like you got infinite copies of the game for a while.) But by buying access, you are assuming (as everyone does) that the company and the servers are going to be there the next time you want access to the bits that make up the game. Is that going to be the case now and for the next few years? Almost for sure. Is that always the case? I have to assume almost for sure NOT.

If your goal is to experience a game now, conveniently as soon as possible without being responsible for the bits. Awesome.

Should you assume that you will never lose access (e.g., you said or did something the server operator does not like, you did something that cost the server operator money that could cause them to decide you aren't financially worth keeping your account, they go bankrupt, the retire the service)? I would NEVER assume the service will stay around. They aren't a company that makes money to foster your love of the game. They are a company that makes money to fulfill their owners/shareholders. When it's no longer convenient it WILL go away.

I like physical but that has its own downside. In the short term (e.g., tomorrow) my physical disk could become destroyed by fire, theft, accident. If it's broken... game literally over.

though so far I've had 30+ years of experience with physical media and other than like Micromachines on NES that got lent to a friend and I forgot till we or they moved; it's been great. I have pieces of plastic and metal from the 1980s and they are still working and I can use and resell and trade them at my will. I don't need the internet and I don't need Nintendo's permission. I own it. Beware it's 1 copy and I must be responsible but I have it and it works.

TL;DR: until a 3rd party, the game developer, and/or the server owner decide to publish a DRM free copy (that you must keep safe) or decide to setup an entity that is in charge of keeping your license info in perpetuity (Which could go away)... digital = temporary.
 
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SleepDoctor said:
I've been banned on psn before and I had no access to my digital games. When you're banned, you're not allowed to log into psn.

You can only play offline and only your physical games work. Although I remember I had some issue with playing The Witcher 3 because of an update. So my previous save had issues without logging online.
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That's naughty. What....did....you....do? And be honest! :messenger_beaming:
 
Investor9872 said:
That's naughty. What....did....you....do? And be honest! :messenger_beaming:
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Nothing serious. Replied to some hate mail in the same manner and got reported lol. Its actually pretty easy to get banned on psn.

I just learned to just laugh at them and report. And easily 90% were "resolved". UFC has a pretty toxic community. Not even cod was ever that bad lol.
 
SleepDoctor said:
Nothing serious. Replied to some hate mail in the same manner and got reported lol. Its actually pretty easy to get banned on psn.

I just learned to just laugh at them and report. And easily 90% were "resolved". UFC has a pretty toxic community. Not even cod was ever that bad lol.
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You're the man, bro. Sad to hear that about the UFC community.
 
My brother told me how his comment in Super Mario Maker 2 was flagged as inappropriate and deleted without any reference to what comment it was or why, specifically, it was removed. When he went to the only level he left a comment in he discovered his comment had been about a level that auto-killed you after a long difficult section with no checkpoint; something to the effect of "Why? Not cool man." That was "inappropriate / bullying" and removed. So yeah, I can envision getting to the point where your account is banned "just because" or for a seemingly innocuous reason / comment after someone reports you because they can. This is why I purchase physical media.
 
I have always been a physical media hoarder gamer since the beginning of time. When the PS3 was released, there were enough people who got their accounts banned mainly from disputing PSN charges due to their accounts being hacked at the time. Sony would look into it, adjudged that the gamers were correct, refunded them and then banned their accounts. These guys lost all of their previous digital purchases and their hard-earned trophies related to those accounts. I tried not to purchase any digital games from that point on if I could help it.
 
Well you still can play all of your games offline, I would imagine. You just can't play them online. But if you don't talk politics over voice chat and don't call people derogatory names, you won't be banned.
 
One thing is for sure, if you constrain yourself with digital, eventually you will be fucked in one way or another. Digital future is anticonsumer, period.
 
I've been saying this for years. Are People finally starting tot realize that you don't own digital games and you lose them all if something like a ban happens
 
Elektro Demon said:
Well you still can play all of your games offline, I would imagine. You just can't play them online. But if you don't talk politics over voice chat and don't call people derogatory names, you won't be banned.
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It's not that simple. They can ban you for charge backs. My 2 year old recently got a hold of my controller, turned in the ps4 and pressed x until he somehow got into the store and was able to buy doom $100 edition. I couldn't get a refund because Sonys customer service was down. No chat, no calls, no twitter. My only option was to do a charge back but i couldn't because i didn't want to lose over a decade of purchases.

So i had to swallow a $100 purchase of a game i didn't even fully download.
 
Why would your console be banned? Unless you're Doing something dodgy? Complete non point for 99.99999% of people.
 
SlimySnake said:
It's not that simple. They can ban you for charge backs. My 2 year old recently got a hold of my controller, turned in the ps4 and pressed x until he somehow got into the store and was able to buy doom $100 edition. I couldn't get a refund because Sonys customer service was down. No chat, no calls, no twitter. My only option was to do a charge back but i couldn't because i didn't want to lose over a decade of purchases.

So i had to swallow a $100 purchase of a game i didn't even fully download.
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Then set it up so the account requires a password to be entered for purchases.
Probably a sensible thing to do if you have kids around anyway.
 
Zoro7 said:
Why would your console be banned? Unless you're Doing something dodgy? Complete non point for 99.99999% of people.
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A few examples we had here was chargebacks by owners banks. For example by default, PS+ subscrition is turned on "automatic renewal" every time your sub runs out. Now if you used another bank before thast not valid anymore or for whatever reason the bank didnt let that money go through because it maybe requires a 2 step authentication in a timely manner, money gets charge backed. That is a red light to SONY and possibility of fraud or stolen cards and they just ban the account. As far as I know not too many people were ever successful in retrieving it.
 
Zoro7 said:
Why would your console be banned? Unless you're Doing something dodgy? Complete non point for 99.99999% of people.
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It all fun and game until you get in that 0,0001%, it happens to me. My hotmail account got hacked, it happens. And no, I wasnt doing any dodgy shit, I was a regular user buying my game online and subscribe to gamepass ultimate. The Xbox service can only direct me to their automatic service.
 
I was thinking about this the other day, it's seem's rather tyrannical to lock someone out of their own system cause they're banned. Nowadays banned implies online.

Im sure they will be some kinda offline mode - they'd be playing with fire not to include that.
 
Elektro Demon said:
Well you still can play all of your games offline, I would imagine. You just can't play them online. But if you don't talk politics over voice chat and don't call people derogatory names, you won't be banned.
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Cue ResetEra folks boycotting Soyny once they find out that shit talking about Trump on a Digital PS5 gets them banned. :LOL:
 
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-Arcadia- said:
Doubly interesting considering the things (like having the wrong ideas or politics) people get banned for elsewhere these days.
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I know an easy solution for this.

Keep your damn politics to yourself and focus about the game you're playing.
 
The_Mike said:
I know an easy solution for this.

Keep your damn politics to yourself and focus about the game you're playing.
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I have a solution for ignorant replies:

1: Think before you post, and consider what the other person is saying, instead of assuming the worst about everyone
2: Read the thread
3: Don't ignore the first two and be a hostile cunt
 
I assume your console is still good you just can't use the banned account on it.

You'll likely lose access to the online portions of games and any free upgrades or content.

Not sure what can get you banned but you almost have to be a straight jerk in order to get banned.

Play nice with others and you shouldn't have any issues.
 
b0uncyfr0 said:
I was thinking about this the other day, it's seem's rather tyrannical to lock someone out of their own system cause they're banned. Nowadays banned implies online.

Im sure they will be some kinda offline mode - they'd be playing with fire not to include that.
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They should just have a lobby/server for all the people that can't play nice with others. Put them in the same games but keep them out of the regular population. Put a nice red toxic warning label next to their PSN ID or Gamer Tag to identify them as toxic.
 
None of these "risks" come close to making me concerned. I'll take these (supposed) risks it to avoid the physical clutter that comes with buying discs.

I would expect the banning to work like it currently does. If your account is banned, you can create a new account. If your console is banned, you get a new console. If both is banned ... what on earth did you do?
 
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-Arcadia- said:
I have a solution for ignorant replies:

1: Think before you post, and consider what the other person is saying, instead of assuming the worst about everyone
2: Read the thread
3: Don't ignore the first two and be a hostile cunt
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Well, politics is a fragile subject. Why the need to talk about it with randoms?
 
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