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[Lesath]

The problem, of course, is you're incapable of forming a serious response. Probably best you continue making terrible attempts at jokes.

I know you're banned, but I will lay out my argument for you, because as antagonistic as I was, I do actually hope I can change your mind. I agree women deserve a safe space, and society is not at the point were men and women can be comfortably be unclothed in the safe place without undesirable consequences. Generally, I agree that it is a good idea to separate men and women at this point in time.

Consider this, however: although women deserve a safe space, who gets to decide the limitations of that safe space? A white woman, cannot, for example, take exception to a black woman in her changing room because she fears for her safety due to racial prejudice. A heterosexual woman can't take exception to a homosexual woman for similar reasons, and along the same vein, as uncomfortable as the idea may be right now, a cisgendered woman shouldn't take exception to a transgendered woman.

A transgendered woman is not male in gender, and do not think of herself as a man. Any presuppositions as to how men would behave around women in the nude does not apply. Lesbian transgendered women do exist, but lesbians are allowed in women's changing rooms. Anyway, there aren't any scenarios that I know of that transgendered women actually present an appreciable threat compared to cisgendered women, so we're operating on pure presumptive prejudice here. Again, I don't disagree that it might be uncomfortable, but it's one of those things society will need to grapple with to move forward.

 

[Tenebrous]

A sex reassignment operation doesn't matter as long as she is taking HRT, which as someone pointed out:



She is doing that. That means she's taking testosterone blockers, in this case she likely started on puberty blockers earlier, and taking estrogen so her body's testosterone count is less than or equal to that of a ciswoman.

Considering this started around middle school, she likely started just before or shortly after she started puberty. In this case her body wouldn't been effected much by testosterone and it wouldn't have been shaped by it either. She would go through a female puberty.

Well, consider me informed & apologetic. Go team!

 

[Bowler]

So your saying if she is taking hrt then it should be fine? But now a new can of worms opens, do you drug test her in what intervals to claim that as fact?

I guess I'm just playing DA here, it truly is a grey area, that needs discussion

 

[Monocle]

Officials in the Palatine district, which serves more than 12,000 students, have framed their position as a middle ground. The transgender student in question plays on a girls’ sports team, is called “she” by school staff and is referred to by a female name. But the district, citing privacy concerns, had required her to change clothes and shower separately. The district said she was allowed to change inside the girls’ locker room, but only behind a curtain. The student, who has not been publicly identified, has said she would probably use that curtain to change. But she and the federal government have insisted that she be allowed to make that decision voluntarily, and not because of requirements by the district.

The thing that always gets me about this kind of reasoning, where officials are "concerned about privacy" if a trans person is allowed to use the facilities that match their gender, is that it totally ignores the existence of gay people.

Maybe before arbitrarily cracking down on one trans student who I assume has shown no signs of being a sexual predator, they should worry about all the closet homos who obviously must be sneaking peeks at everyone's naughty bits whenever possible, to satisfy their disordered carnal appetites. Could it be that the district isn't even consistent in their expression of heteronormative prejudice? Did the "trans people are icky" brigade accidentally expose themselves as hypocrites? Well I'll be gosh darned.

 

[John Kowalski]

So your saying if she is taking hrt then it should be fine? But now a new can of worms opens, do you drug test her in what intervals to claim that as fact?

I guess I'm just playing DA here, it truly is a grey area, that needs discussion

???

Couldn't she just get a paper from her doctor confirming it.

 

[Ms.Galaxy]

So your saying if she is taking hrt then it should be fine? But now a new can of worms opens, do you drug test her in what intervals to claim that as fact?

I guess I'm just playing DA here, it truly is a grey area, that needs discussion

A doctor's note is good enough, honestly. Her primary care doctor would likely check her hormone levels during treatment to make sure they're in a stable range. In my case, my doctor checks my testosterone and estrogen levels between every 6 to 12 months, if she finds something off, every 3 to 6 months.

 

[CrocMother]

What's really fucked is that girl is so lucky to have parents that allow her to get HRT. Most trans kids, especially in the Bible Belt, would not have families that were so understanding so guess what they are just completely screwed.

 

[A Link to the Past]

This is probably the worst post ever. Good job.



You're denying the other girls a fair playing field.

I love that this poster made such a shitty post and is then going to try and deride ~any~ other post in this thread, haha.