I'm buying an HDTV tomorrow... (LG scaler vs. Viera vs. plasma?)
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longdi said:
whites look better on plasma, on lcd you loose details similar to black crush. i dont think whites and dithering has anything to do with how the wii looks though. its the way the picture scales, it just doesn't look crisp and some colors bleed. i noticed on crt you can see the same bleeding issue if you look close... maybe it's just the tv bringing out the horrible image output the wii does.
i use my pz800 in a dark room and havent noticed any change in the black level. blacks will fluctuate based on room brightness if cats is on but otherwise it seems to always be the same to me.
MidnightRider
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Weird everyone in here is voting Plasma......
I've always heard to stay away from Plasma's
I've always heard to stay away from Plasma's
A Twisty Fluken
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So, this thread has actually been rather instructive. I'm about to get a new HDTV (50-55" for a sunlit room with an emphasis on quality) and I want to doublecheck here.
Looks like the top players now have their share of drawbacks:
Panasonic G10/V10 - Crappy AR, mediocre SD scaling (what about mah wii and PS2?), black level decay on many panels indicating poor QA.
Samsung - Seems caught between the less than optimal blacks and less efficient power operation of the on-the-way-out CCFL tech, and the pricey LED tier which seems like it has off-angle viewing issues among other problems on the non-top-tier screens, and both backlight types still sport samsung's uber reflective glossy screen (the 40" 6 series I have now has a matte screen, which was win)
So I keep ending up back on a Kuro Elite. Is there a major drawback with these vs. the best brands of the current line outside of the price or the efficiency? It seems like all the other options at this point are rife with compromise.
Looks like the top players now have their share of drawbacks:
Panasonic G10/V10 - Crappy AR, mediocre SD scaling (what about mah wii and PS2?), black level decay on many panels indicating poor QA.
Samsung - Seems caught between the less than optimal blacks and less efficient power operation of the on-the-way-out CCFL tech, and the pricey LED tier which seems like it has off-angle viewing issues among other problems on the non-top-tier screens, and both backlight types still sport samsung's uber reflective glossy screen (the 40" 6 series I have now has a matte screen, which was win)
So I keep ending up back on a Kuro Elite. Is there a major drawback with these vs. the best brands of the current line outside of the price or the efficiency? It seems like all the other options at this point are rife with compromise.
Panasonic VIERA 42" 1080p 600Hz Plasma HDTV TC-P42G10 has me tempted if any hot deals happen this month. This would be my first hd set. I still have Sony Trinitron from over ten years ago so I will not be upgrading for many many years again. Figures someone has to come spoil the party about some black level issue.
shouamabane
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I'd say plasma for above 46" and LCD for below.
I like Sony LCDs and Panasonic plasmas. I own one of both.
I like Sony LCDs and Panasonic plasmas. I own one of both.
MisterAnderson
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Don't Plasma TV's easily burn? Which is especially a problem with video games as HUD's and pause screens are usually static.
Hazelhurst
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Why wait? The 11" Sony OLED is only $2500.Truespeed said:
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Wray said:
This may be the dumbest statement I've seen on GAF in quite some time.
He won't be "sorry" if he goes 720p. There's a 0% chance all of the next-gen systems are exclusively 1080p. That would exclude a large majority of the population.
Not a wise business move.
Dragona Akehi
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nib95 said:
Oh the things I would do for a Pioneer...
Choppasmith
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Dragona Akehi said:
I have to agree, those are some DAMN fine images.
I was actually looking at getting a new TV myself to replace my old 30" CRT. I have a really small Living room so anything 40 and up would be complete and total overkill. Plus it's also room that's very naturally bright, so those two things sort of kick Plasma out for me.
I was looking at getting this TV. A 37" 1080p LCD
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001U3YIM2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I had a chance to see it at Best Buy and it looked really good to me, but then I don't consider myself to be any kind of hardcore videophile.
_Alkaline_
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Dies Iræ said:I bought a Panny plasma.
It's beautiful. Been gaming happily ever since.
Thanks guys
Nice work.
I got a 50 inch panny plasma at the start of the year and love it to death. Colours are just wow.
MWS Natural
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Dragona Akehi said:
I have one...I'm sure we can work something out
Twilight Princess
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nib95 said:
Just got my Panny 50" G15 yesterday. I love this tv! Haven't hooked the 360 or wii up to it yet. Been reading different things about the break-in period. Some say you shouldn't game on plasmas till after you break it in and some say breaking in is no longer something you have to do.
4 years ago, I spent the extra coin for a Pioneer plasma (PDP-5060HD), and although it's a 720p/1080i panel (1080p panels were pretty rare back then, particularly for plasmas), we still use it as our primary display, and it rocks. We have several other LCDs throughout the house, and they don't hold a candle to the plasma.
Regarding burn-in, on accident one time, I ran out of the house on an emergency trip and was out of town for 2 weeks and left the TV on (I now have the "auto-off after no input for 2 hours" setting to ON). Worse yet is that the channel was set to one where a DirecTV logo was on the screen 90% of the time. When I got back, that logo was burnt in pretty bad. This was almost a year ago. It took a few months, but the ghost image has gone away completely. I thought I FUBAR'd the screen for good, but this was proof enough for me that stuff like this isn't permanent (at least in this case w/ my display).
Since I grew up w/ excellent CRTs from the SNES era forward, I think plasmas are the best at replicating that lovely, contrasty look with nice, rich color. Our next primary display will definitely be another Pioneer.
My vote is definitely for plasma, but honestly most properly calibrated sets will give you a very nice image.
Regarding burn-in, on accident one time, I ran out of the house on an emergency trip and was out of town for 2 weeks and left the TV on (I now have the "auto-off after no input for 2 hours" setting to ON
). Worse yet is that the channel was set to one where a DirecTV logo was on the screen 90% of the time. When I got back, that logo was burnt in pretty bad. This was almost a year ago. It took a few months, but the ghost image has gone away completely. I thought I FUBAR'd the screen for good, but this was proof enough for me that stuff like this isn't permanent (at least in this case w/ my display).Since I grew up w/ excellent CRTs from the SNES era forward, I think plasmas are the best at replicating that lovely, contrasty look with nice, rich color. Our next primary display will definitely be another Pioneer.
My vote is definitely for plasma, but honestly most properly calibrated sets will give you a very nice image.
HomerSimpson-Man
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nib95 said:
Amazing pics. Such a gorgeous tv.
Been playing Uncharted 2 on a Pioneer lately, f'n a...it's absolutely sick.
*Hugs very own Pioneer*
There there, baby. You know daddy loves you so.
A Twisty Fluken
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thanks for the feedback, ordering a kuro tomorrow. nothing else will do.
HomerSimpson-Man
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A Twisty Fluken said:thanks for the feedback, ordering a kuro tomorrow. nothing else will do.
Shiiiite.
Now there is no going back. There are plenty of great HDtvs but if a Pioneer is a viable option, your search is over, there is no point in looking at anything else.
I still need to set-up a bias lighting equipment like nib95 there. The black levels are already fantastic but biased lighting would make it the blackest black that ever blacked.
Terrordactyl
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Whats the word on the Walmart Panny on sale this friday? I'm thinking of impulse buying it, I have a 47 LCD that is shamed by all of my friends plasma's so I'm hoping to get one cheap.
Why would you do that?
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The Kuros are all so huge!
If they had one 42" or less, and if they're better at scaling than Panasonic Plasmas, then I'd consider one.
I'm aiming for a 42" Panasonic plasma, but still, 42" is pretty big for my place.
If they had one 42" or less, and if they're better at scaling than Panasonic Plasmas, then I'd consider one.
I'm aiming for a 42" Panasonic plasma, but still, 42" is pretty big for my place.
Dragona Akehi
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MWS Natural said:I have one...I'm sure we can work something out
Five bans of your choice. I'll pm the shipping details.