I'm not following, didn't we all want PlayStation to focus more on stylish Japanese games?

What do you think?

  • OP is a retard, I only care about big blockbusters from Sony.

    Votes: 34 27.4%

  • This is exactly what I want from Sony.

    Votes: 90 72.6%
  • Total voters
    124
  • Poll closed .
I remember when Japanese games had style AND substance. Right now Japanese game dev seems all about style and mass-market appeal with very little substance. These old school devs like Kamiya, Kojima and Harada don't even want to a make the kinds of games they were famous for. The guy that made Devil May Cryand Viewtiful Joe wants to make Okami 2. Really? Kojima wants to make a cinematic delivery simulator. Really? Tekken is just a vehicle for selling season passes and hyping up crowds at events and barely a serious fighting game anymore.
 
near said:
The event was hard carried by third party studios and the majority of the games showcased were cross platform.
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20 years ago you would need a PS2 to play all these awesome games. Nowadays it doesn't matter where you are. A good thing but also sad.
 
I loathe Marvel and don't care about technical fighting games.

That said, I thought this was Sony's best State of Play in ages. I usually fast-forward through these, but I think I only skipped the Digimon game, the PS+ sizzle reel, and the long Arc System Works developer segment at the end. I'm hugely hyped for Lumines Arise and Romeo is a Deadman. Plus, First Light looks promising, the new game from the Journey devs is gorgeous, and a lot of the AA and indie titles seem authentically interesting.

I know a lot of people are griping about the show, but I'm usually pretty down on Sony and I thought it was legitimately great. Would have been an A if it closed a little stronger.
 
nial said:
You're getting both. The likes of Ghost of Yotei and The Last of Us aren't going away, but projects like Astro Bot or Marvel Tōkon getting a spotlight like this is just a net positive for PlayStation Studios' lineup.
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You should add a "both" to the poll I think. I'm all for the Japanese games that are coming. Loved Pragmata, Suda51s new game, this MvC spiritual successor by Arc and want the blockbusters like Ghost of Yotei, Intergalactic, DS2 too. I'm happy with what's planned to come overall. Theif VR and what looks like essentially Journey 2 was a nice surprise as well.
 
blacktout said:
I loathe Marvel and don't care about technical fighting games.

That said, I thought this was Sony's best State of Play in ages. I usually fast-forward through these, but I think I only skipped the Digimon game, the PS+ sizzle reel, and the long Arc System Works developer segment at the end. I'm hugely hyped for Lumines Arise and Romeo is a Deadman. Plus, First Light looks promising, the new game from the Journey devs is gorgeous, and a lot of the AA and indie titles seem authentically interesting.

I know a lot of people are griping about the show, but I'm usually pretty down on Sony and I thought it was legitimately great. Would have been an A if it closed a little stronger.
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A Wolverine or Saros gameplay or a new GOW teaser at the end could have made it a 9 or a 10 for me. Maybe Sony tried but the developers are not ready. I rate this as 8/10.
 
near said:
The SoP was great, one the of best if not the best I can recall in recent years. But I understand how easy it is to walk away disappointed if you watch these events primarily for Sony's first party games. The event was hard carried by third party studios and the majority of the games showcased were cross platform.
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Yeah, I get that folks are genuinely excited about the SoP because it had games they are looking forward to. My problem is first party has been slacking for two or three years at this point. Gaas fucked this generation up for a lot of us. Has for me at least. I'm at the point now that I might as well just wait for the PS ports to PC instead of day one on console.
 
Three said:
You should add a "both" to the poll I think. I'm all for the Japanese games that are coming. Loved Pragmata, Suda51s new game, this MvC spiritual successor by Arc and want the blockbusters like Ghost of Yotei, Intergalactic, DS2 too. I'm happy with what's planned to come overall. Theif VR and what looks like essentially Journey 2 was a nice surprise as well.
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Yes, but having the middle option is not as fun.
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Kacho said:
This.

Feels like western AAA is in for a rough ride the next few years and this will shed a lot of casuals. It'll be up to based Nippon developers to carry the industry.
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They have been in for a rough ride since around 2017, when the Japanese decided to wake up and finally mastered HD towns.
 
Japanese games = weeb
Western games = shitty and woke

SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS REALLY WANT
 
Wtf is this lol... looks like an unofficial sequel to one of the capcom marvel fighting games. The people want more quirky Japanese shit or hot waifu japanese shit.
 
The poll is missing the option for "I don't want games at all; I just want to complain about them on the internet." If everyone was forced to vote honestly, that would get a ton of votes.
 
Liked what I saw from Tokon, but it's still capeshit authorized by Disney, otherwise Sony Xdev couldn't have anything to show for

I want blockbuster games and stylish games as well, shouldn't be one or the other

But hey, at least they can keep burning money with their idiotic GAAS initiative that's failing spectacularly
 
I would avoid/ignore gaf reactions to Nintendo Directs, State of Play, Xbox Games Showcase.
 
Kacho said:
20 years ago you would need a PS2 to play all these awesome games. Nowadays it doesn't matter where you are. A good thing but also sad.
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Well I don't know if I'd say that is sad, accessibility is great for the industry, its thriving right now currently.

I'd say maybe its more like nostalgia as I think fondly of those times too, but I'm also aware of how limited and archaic those times where too.

So...this is a good thing. The more that play, the more we can keep getting sequels to games we love.
 
Personally, I wouldn't call a marvel fighting game a stylish Japanese game even if the studio making it is Japanese.

Someone called it a niche of a niche and to me that's true. Not a fan of fighting games and not a fan of marvel. This just reconfirms my feelings towards a lot of Sony's priorities this gen simply don't align with my tastes. I'm not going nuclear and selling my PS5, but I do miss the Sony of the past.
 
yogaflame said:
A Wolverine or Saros gameplay or a new GOW teaser at the end could have made it a 9 or a 10 for me. Maybe Sony tried but the developers are not ready. I rate this as 8/10.
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Yeah, I think I'd go 8.5/10. Agree that Saros gameplay would have pushed it higher for me. That teaser was far and away the highlight of their previous show.
 
EDMIX said:
Well I don't know if I'd say that is sad, accessibility is great for the industry, its thriving right now currently.

I'd say maybe its more like nostalgia as I think fondly of those times too, but I'm also aware of how limited and archaic those times where too.

So...this is a good thing. The more that play, the more we can keep getting sequels to games we love.
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I am nostalgic for those days. You had a reason to own everything.
 
Topher said:
Why?
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I should have said "gafs immediate reactions"

And it's because it's a mix of people with different expectations reacting in the moment, often times emotionally about what they saw/didn't see. It's why we get questions like this about what "we all" wanted. This places isn't as monolithic as it sometimes seems. For everyone excited about a new Suda51 game, there's another upset that's we're not getting any updates from Naughty Dog. For everyone excited about Ghost of Yotei, there's someone pissed off at Sony that Jin Sakai is not in the sequel.

I've found it's best to wait a few days and then get people's reactions in individual game threads.
 
Not enough new and original Japanese games. Most of the games in the direct are multiplats I'll get on Switch 2. At least Sony has GoY coming out this year, that's something.
 
Kacho said:
I am nostalgic for those days. You had a reason to own everything.
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Same. I do like that back then, you could own like several devices for several different reasons lol

I get that today this is cumbersome and nonsensical , but part of me liked that each thing had its own identity, but I also like that software is getting the focus for artist regardless of platform.
 
Loomy said:
I should have said "gafs immediate reactions"

And it's because it's a mix of people with different expectations reacting in the moment, often times emotionally about what they saw/didn't see. It's why we get questions like this about what "we all" wanted. This places isn't as monolithic as it sometimes seems. For everyone excited about a new Suda51 game, there's another upset that's we're not getting any updates from Naughty Dog. For everyone excited about Ghost of Yotei, there's someone pissed off at Sony that Jin Sakai is not in the sequel.

I've found it's best to wait a few days and then get people's reactions in individual game threads.
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Ah.....I understand. Thanks.
 
Games like guilty gear never felt like fighting games too me, its so cartoonified it feels off. Which is why this game doesnt do it for me.
 
Yes. But I have zero desire to play marvel property based games until someone presents a new (good) third person shooter for The Punisher and I really don't play fighting games much either.
Luckily there were third party titles shown that I'm going to be playing instead.
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The SoP was great, but these aren't really playstation games, they're not first-party, which is what I believe people ask for when talking about playstation.
Sonyfans want more of this variety from their studios, is what I believe anyway.
 
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diffusionx said:
The problem is that this isn't Japan Studio, Sony is forced to rely more on 3rd party games because their first party under Ryan and then Hulst's mismanagement have become a smoking crater.

I guess you could argue it doesn't really matter, the game is the game in the end, but I think people do want awesome first party games paired with strong 3rd party Japanese support.
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That was always the case though. Japan Studio's output was partnering with 3rd parties at the last few years anyway.
 
People like different things

Many Playstation fans enjoy more the first party triple A stuff from Sony (like Horizon and GoW). While others like the third party games more (like Nioh and Stellar Blade).

I am on the second group, so this State of Play was awesome, but I understand those that hated, since there were no big triple A games from Sony (other than a 20 seconds teaser of Yotei).
 
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SHAKEZ said:
The SoP was great, but these aren't really playstation games, they're not first-party, which is what I believe people ask for when talking about playstation.
Sonyfans want more of this variety from their studios, is what I believe anyway.
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I think the distinction between first and third party is going to basically go away in a few years.

Sony putting their games on PC. Xbox dying as a console plus putting their games on PlayStation. Soon we will just judge the quality of the shows for what they are instead of what proportion of the games are coming from the platform holder.

It's why I always think Xbox does a good yearly showcase even if most of the stuff is multiplatform. People just want to see quality and not slop and they have a good eye for quality.
 
Killer8 said:
I think the distinction between first and third party is going to basically go away in a few years.

Sony putting their games on PC. Xbox dying as a console plus putting their games on PlayStation. Soon we will just judge the quality of the shows for what they are instead of what proportion of the games are coming from the platform holder.

It's why I always think Xbox does a good yearly showcase even if most of the stuff is multiplatform. People just want to see quality and not slop and they have a good eye for quality.
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I fully agree, I just watch these showcases to see the games I want. I guess only Nintendo will truly be full on exclusive with their stuff and even their shows have some 3rd party stuff.
I just think when people whine about playstation, they're talking about their studios output and so on, not really about third-party stuff.
 
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Killer8 said:
I think the distinction between first and third party is going to basically go away in a few years.

Sony putting their games on PC. Xbox dying as a console plus putting their games on PlayStation. Soon we will just judge the quality of the shows for what they are instead of what proportion of the games are coming from the platform holder.

It's why I always think Xbox does a good yearly showcase even if most of the stuff is multiplatform. People just want to see quality and not slop and they have a good eye for quality.
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That distinction is already gone to lots of people here, they already don't understand the difference and look back fondly on PS2 and complain about current 1st party output all while ignoring the games they look fondly on weren't 1st party.

Don't even think about mentioning 2nd party, that will blow minds.
 
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Unknown? said:
People here already don't understand the difference, they look back fondly on PS2 and complain about current 1st party output all while ignoring the games they look fondly on weren't 1st party.

Don't even think about mentioning 2nd party, that will blow minds.
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I'm just wondering when they will finally stop asking 'why isn't the State of Play mostly full of Sony games?'

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And before anyone says it, yes it should be, but it's clearly not going to be.

Anyone should have realized by now that Sony simply wants to mostly show high value I.P. or potential I.P. from trusted developers and partners. It has been long enough, but it's time to stop the cope.

After 5+ years everyone should realize this show is almost never going to be most or all Sony first party, unless the explicitly state "This SoP will be focused on just ____ and that's it."

Should we wait another 5 years until 2030 for people finally catch on to this? 2035? It's funny to see, but a little sad too. Whatever 🤷‍♂️

Same time, same place, see you all for the fall SoP coming soon.
 
SHAKEZ said:
I fully agree, I just watch these showcases to see the games I want. I guess only Nintendo will truly be full on exclusive with their stuff and even their shows have some 3rd party stuff.
I just think when people whine about playstation, they're talking about their studios output and so on, not really about third-party stuff.
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Unknown? said:
People here already don't understand the difference, they look back fondly on PS2 and complain about current 1st party output all while ignoring the games they look fondly on weren't 1st party.

Don't even think about mentioning 2nd party, that will blow minds.
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At the end of the day it shouldn't really matter to people where the games come from. As long as we have a steady stream of bangers then it's really irrelevant if they have a Sony logo on the box.

I often read people complaining about the PS5 being a terrible generation and yet they act like third party just... doesn't exist. Probably because you can get those games elsewhere so they stop counting them. But that's always struck me as silly because typically people will go with one platform and that's where they build their library. Or else there will be some kind of segregation of the types of games they play eg. they mainly game on PS5 but also keep a lightweight PC around for stuff like Counter-Strike 2 and WoW.

And if people are mainly on PC and are really struggling to weigh up first-party reasons for a console's existence then just stick to PC and don't buy the console lmao.
 
I'm a fighting game nerd, so this is right up my alley. I pretty much have almost every single fighting game made on PC. This and an Injustice 3 would be great to add to the collection.
 
Killer8 said:
At the end of the day it shouldn't really matter to people where the games come from. As long as we have a steady stream of bangers then it's really irrelevant if they have a Sony logo on the box.

I often read people complaining about the PS5 being a terrible generation and yet they act like third party just... doesn't exist. Probably because you can get those games elsewhere so they stop counting them. But that's always struck me as silly because typically people will go with one platform and that's where they build their library. Or else there will be some kind of segregation of the types of games they play eg. they mainly game on PS5 but also keep a lightweight PC around for stuff like Counter-Strike 2 and WoW.

And if people are mainly on PC and are really struggling to weigh up first-party reasons for a console's existence then just stick to PC and don't buy the console lmao.
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That's right. 3rd party does exist and even worse is they pretend 3rd party partnerships that bring unique games only on their console don't exist.
 
nial said:
Remember when the ""death"" of Japan Studio in 2021 meant that SIE was distancing itself from Japanese productions and going all on big cinematic blockbusters? Remember how this was supposed to signal the death of the quirky, stylish side of SIE? No more genres outside of gritty, AAA third-party action adventure games developed in the West, remember?
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Then, four years later, SIE decides to close its summer State of Play event with a super stylish tag team fighting game developed by Japanese developer Arc System Works (of Dragon Ball FighterZ and Guilty Gear fame), and produced by the PlayStation Studios XDEV unit of the Japanese SIE HQs.

Yet, this is somehow a bad thing reading tons of reactions everywhere. Why? Isn't this kind of stuff exactly what we wanted SIE to focus on? Why are we suddenly going mad over SIE not focusing on its big blockbusters just for a little bit?
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I just like how overtly Japanese Tokon is. They talk about wanting the game to be as ArcSys as possible in the dev interview, and I loved that. People want variety and for far too long, Sony has focused on cinematic action games and shitty live service games made in the West. This is a return to form.

Edit: And I've never been into fighting games, but I'm willing to try this one because of all the genuine effort going into it. Sony and Marvel actually trying to make their IPs appealing again is a great thing. I'm almost grateful for all the competition the Chinese and Korean market is placing on these complacent Western companies.
 
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