Sony not going to talk about PS6 for "years", more focused on games and software right now - Mark Cerny

The_Observer said:
On the one hand, good. On the other, maybe ps6 should come so we can have more "nextgen" games on ps5 as the 60fps obsessed crowd will get the new console and ps5 players can get a real jump in fidelity when devs are not harassed by these people for designing games around 30 fps
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Devs are struggling to even FINISH games. Hardware strength is the last of their concern.

Nippon Ichi, creators of Disgaea, told us that they were working for other studios for money. But the game they were helping with was taking so long, that they decided to break contract and go home. Because they were paid a fix amount based on percentage of completion, and the extended production time means they are getting ripped off. Game development is just taking too long.
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
2020 was 5 years ago.

I'm team 2028 for PS6 but saying this gen has just begun is something.
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Until 2023, most game releases still came to the PS4. Only about a year ago that we started seeing most new titles leaving the PS4 behind and focusing solely on the PS5. So he's not entirely wrong. In a way, 2025 is actually the second true year of this generation.

IMO, would be disappointing if Sony launched the PS6 without having at least one new game built from the ground up for the PS5, released by one of its major studios (Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, etc.).
 
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2028 earliest for the ps6 imo.

And yes you should be focusing on games right now, considering the absolute mess made by the GAAS push.
 
Evil Calvin said:
'focused on games right now'?

Doesn't seem like it does it? What games?
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It is called "development". No point showing games until it is near shipping. For example, Xbox announced Everwilds in 2020. And now 5 years later it is officially cancelled.

The games are cooking. Let them cook.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
Well, Sony only declared 2 weeks ago that monthly PS5 Users had surpassed PS4 Users. So i say that is fair to count that as when PS5 really hits its stride.
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How do you go from what you said to "the console generation is just beginning"?

kaizenkko said:
Until 2023, most game releases still came to the PS4. Only about a year ago that we started seeing most new titles leaving the PS4 behind and focusing solely on the PS5. So he's not entirely wrong. In a way, 2025 is actually the second true year of this generation.

IMO, would be disappointing if Sony launched the PS6 without having at least one new game built from the ground up for the PS5, released by one of its major studios (Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, etc.).
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Hum...what? Returnal? Astrobot? Ratchet? Demon's Souls Remake? Hell Forbidden West looks better than 90% of all open world games releasing nowadays. Coming out on PS4 doesn't take that away. Death Stranding 2 just came out as well. Spider-Man 2 was made by Insomniac.

And once PS6 releases that console will have an even bigger cross-gen period than the PS5 had. Does that mean PS7 can only release 10 years after the PS6?
 
They already did and nothing is going to stop people thinking that PS6 is around the corner. Just give more exclusives games for the PS5 constantly and problem solved.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
The hardware for a mainstream Console in portable form does NOT EXIST.
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Imo a PS5P with unchanged aging Steamdeck APU and just PSSR added would already be fine. Steamdeck APU with current Ryzen/RDNA Gen would be finer and still be realistic.
Something they should consider just for their japanese home market and as long as it's really well planned hw, not creating a new bottleneck, it should be easy to support with games, since no extra games are needed, and extend nicely into the PS6 crossgen era.
PS6P can then also launch rather near the end of PS6 gen.
 
if Sony is talking about a 2028 PlayStation 6 then Microsoft should do themselves a favor and get out of the Console release cycle once and for all, release a year early and build from there
 
People are getting their hopes up for a nothing statement. Good reminder that the PS Vita and PS4 weren't even confirmed until their respective launch years.

2027 all the way.
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
How do you go from what you said to "the console generation is just beginning"?


Hum...what? Returnal? Astrobot? Ratchet? Demon's Souls Remake? Hell Forbidden West looks better than 90% of all open world games releasing nowadays. Coming out on PS4 doesn't take that away. Death Stranding 2 just came out as well. Spider-Man 2 was made by Insomniac.

And once PS6 releases that console will have an even bigger cross-gen period than the PS5 had. Does that mean PS7 can only release 10 years after the PS6?
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Which part of my post don't you understand? I'm talking about games developed using the PS5 as the main platform, from their major studios:
  • At least one game from Naughty Dog;
  • At least one game from Santa Monica Studio;
  • At least one game from Guerrilla Games.
Games like God of War Ragnarok and Horizon Forbidden West are great, but they are essentially PS4 games — they were developed with the PS4 as the lead platform. We need at least one game from each of these studios that fully utilizes the PS5's potential — games built from the ground up for PS5.

And yes, if Sony releases a new console in 2027 or 2028, we'll see another big cross-gen period. That's just one more reason why Sony should release the PS6 in 2029 (or later): we'll likely still see cross-gen games, but the transition period would be much shorter.
 
L*][*N*K said:
if Sony is talking about a 2028 PlayStation 6 then Microsoft should do themselves a favor and get out of the Console release cycle once and for all, release a year early and build from there
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Good news Xbox game devs! Your bosses have decided you are going to launch your games one year early! Yes, we only just decided to do that last minute. I am sure there is no problems finishing the game ahead of schedule. it isn't like there was literally no game in the last 20 years that EVER finished early...
 
kaizenkko said:
Which part of my post don't you understand? I'm talking about games developed using the PS5 as the main platform, from their major studios:
  • At least one game from Naughty Dog;
  • At least one game from Santa Monica Studio;
  • At least one game from Guerrilla Games.
Games like God of War Ragnarok and Horizon Forbidden West are great, but they are essentially PS4 games — they were developed with the PS4 as the lead platform. We need at least one game from each of these studios that fully utilizes the PS5's potential — games built from the ground up for PS5.

And yes, if Sony releases a new console in 2027 or 2028, we'll see another big cross-gen period. That's just one more reason why Sony should release the PS6 in 2029 (or later): we'll likely still see cross-gen games, but the transition period would be much shorter.
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I don't know why Sony would even care about that, those games were made cross-gen for a reason, i.e. increasing development costs.
 
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nial said:
I don't know why Sony would even care about that, those games were made cross-gen for a reason, i.e. increasing development costs.
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Because people care. Almost half of Playstation's active users are still playing on PS4.

A lot of people will not buy a new console if the majority of games keep coming for the console the they already own.
 
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Aaravos said:
Didn't kepler say that Sony had next gen chip taped out this year?
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Yes, they have.
People don't realize that Sony could not talk about it until early on its launch year (2027), and it can still pass as 'years'.
Some takes going for 2029 or 2030 launch dates are completely insane.
 
I don't think they're in a rush since Xbox is killing itself and Nintendo just launched their new console. They can take their time now.
 
nial said:
Yes, they have.
People don't realize that Sony could not talk about it until early on its launch year (2027), and it can still pass as 'years'.
Some takes going for 2029 or 2030 launch dates are completely insane.
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Even if they got the chip design nailed down, the production might not be. It is worth waiting longer to get the chip yield up if that means they can sell the final console for cheaper. It is not just about knowing what is in the console, but also how cheap can you make it. Waiting longer has the benefit of increasing affordability.
 
analog_future said:
Perfect. Glad to hear they aren't rushing anything out the door. I think that literally no one wants to see a PS6 released earlier than 2028.
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Literally no one hey? I'd happily take a PS6 in Fall of 2026 after skipping PS5 Pro. Fall 2027 at the latest. 2028 is way later than I want.
 
kaizenkko said:
Because people care. Almost half of Playstation's active users are still playing on PS4.
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That's what happens when you have a console selling >110M units in 7 years and expect the next one to also sell >110M units in 7 years; you need to come to terms that it will also take 7 years to reduce the previous console's install base to zero.
kaizenkko said:
A lot of people will not buy a new console if the majority of games keep coming for the console the their already own.
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It's weird that you say this as if it will be anything new. 95% of PS5 games in 2020-2023 were also available on PS4, and yet that affected nothing.
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
Even if they got the chip design nailed down, the production might not be. It is worth waiting longer to get the chip yield up if that means they can sell the final console for cheaper. It is not just about knowing what is in the console, but also how cheap can you make it. Waiting longer has the benefit of increasing affordability.
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Sure, that's a sound argument (better than 'we need a next gen exclusive from Guerrilla!!!!'), but Sony will need to take decreasing console sales into account; people bringing up the Switch 2 launching 8 years after its predecessor don't realize that the Switch 1 peaked on hardware unit sales further on its lifecycle than the PS5 did.
 
nial said:
That's what happens when you have a console selling >110M units in 7 years and expect the next one to also sell >110M units in 7 years; you need to come to terms that it will also take 7 years to reduce the previous console's install base to zero.

It's weird that you say this as if it will be anything new. 95% of PS5 games in 2020-2023 were also available on PS4, and yet that affected nothing.
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Exactly, most games were available on PS4 — that's why people didn't need to buy a new console. That's also why, until recently, half of PlayStation's active users were still on PS4. Or do you think it's just a coincidence that the number of active PS5 users is finally growing now that games have started to prioritize the PS5?
 
DeltaPolarBear said:
Good news Xbox game devs! Your bosses have decided you are going to launch your games one year early! Yes, we only just decided to do that last minute. I am sure there is no problems finishing the game ahead of schedule. it isn't like there was literally no game in the last 20 years that EVER finished early...
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I really think you should try some open mic, you have something.
 
2028 would be fine...i mean, this generation feels like its starting until this year, because we have had almost 5 years of upgraded PS4 games in most part of the catalogue. So finally we can focus on actual PS5 games.
 
The pandemic and a flawed GaaS strategy have taken a toll on PlayStation Studios' games.
So it's quite normal for Sony to continue with the PS5 for a longer period. Especially since Xbox doesn't pose much of a competitive threat, and Nintendo seems to exist in its own universe.
It's all good this way.
 
kaizenkko said:
That's also why, until recently, half of PlayStation's active users were still on PS4. Or do you think it's just a coincidence that the number of active PS5 users is finally growing now that games have started to prioritize the PS5?
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Did you even read what I said?
nial said:
That's what happens when you have a console selling >110M units in 7 years and expect the next one to also sell >110M units in 7 years; you need to come to terms that it will also take 7 years to reduce the previous console's install base to zero.
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The ONLY way that the PS4 could NOT hold half of PSN active users by the middle of the generation (i.e., Q1 CY2024) is that people suddenly stopped playing with their consoles that they bought in 2017-2020, which is just completely unreasonable.
I will ask you, is it just a coincidence that the number of active users on a PS5 that is selling at the same pace as its predecessor overtook those on PS4 once we went past the middle of the generation? This is nothing hard to grasp.
kaizenkko said:
Exactly, most games were available on PS4 — that's why people didn't need to buy a new console.
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And yet, numbers don't support your point. Why is it that the PS5 sold worse on the 4/24 - 3/25 period (18.5M), when most games started to be current-gen only, compared to the 4/23 - 3/24 (20.9M) and 4/22 - 3/23 (19.1M) periods, when everything was cross-gen?
That's not the sign of people feeling the need to buy a PS5 once stuff stopped releasing on PS4, that's the sign of an aging console.

And btw, PS5 sold better on its peak period full of cross-gen games with PS4 releases (4th FY, 20.9M) than the PS4 did on its peak period full of current-gen only stuff without PS3 releases (4th FY, 20.0M).
 
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Good news for the psbros. Hopefully they are able to course-correct from the GAAS hellscape they've put themselves in and end up delivering some kino single-player games before the generation ends.
 
2028 would make sense if there was still more room for improvement on the design [and was what I was hoping for], but if it's being taped out this year, then I fully expect 2027.

Announcing mid-2027 would still count as 'years', as in two years from now.
 
Tom Henderson had already told you all, even before the PS5 Pro rumors really began to gain traction, that PS6 was planned for 2028.
 
Good. 2030, yeah i said it .

PS5 has nothing in terms of games. There is so much potential still.
Tech hasn't advanced much for the price of entry either. I am not ready for 400gb games that 2 games take your entire drive. They are already too large.
 
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