You talking as past generation was any better...Gaming on a low end Zen2 CPU until 2028 sounds incredible in so many ways
Can you name a single Zen 2 limitation in actually running current games?Gaming on a low end Zen2 CPU until 2028 sounds incredible in so many ways
It doesn't matter even if it has zero limitations, it's old hardware.Can you name a single Zen 2 limitation in actually running current games?
Higher end PC CPUs have mostly only been used to get.. uuh, 275fps instead of 212fps.
Moore's Law is dead, dennard scaling is biting. The hardware is still pretty new, because what's newer barely makes any difference.It doesn't matter even if it has zero limitations, it's old hardware.
Why would anyone want to continue to game on old hardware that long is beyond me.
Even if all we get is cross-gen games, having new updated, more performant, more efficient hardware after 7 years of the PS5 launch is needed.
I agree 100%. We are at a time when doing side by sides with different hardware that have differences but nothing meaningful. I just want 60 fps on regular games and 120 fps on shooters.Moore's Law is dead, dennard scaling is biting. The hardware is still pretty new, because what's newer barely makes any difference.
PS5 can already give you the best raster graphics possible really. The need for better hardware is just for ray tracing, path tracing, and physics.
Plenty of people use 20-30 year old Nintendo systems and have a blast. We're deep in the realm of diminishing returns.
Modern consoles already deliver visuals so good that improvements are marginal — more lighting accuracy here, a few extra particles there. But it's not game-changing anymore.
Games aren't better today because of hardware — they're better when developers focus on creativity, gameplay loops, and storytelling. The soul of a game isn't tied to teraflops, or memory bandwidth, or cache quantity.
Why would anyone want to continue to game on old hardware that long is beyond me.
Moore's Law is dead, dennard scaling is biting. The hardware is still pretty new, because what's newer barely makes any difference.
PS5 can already give you the best raster graphics possible really. The need for better hardware is just for ray tracing, path tracing, and physics.
Plenty of people use 20-30 year old Nintendo systems and have a blast. We're deep in the realm of diminishing returns.
Modern consoles already deliver visuals so good that improvements are marginal — more lighting accuracy here, a few extra particles there. But it's not game-changing anymore.
Games aren't better today because of hardware — they're better when developers focus on creativity, gameplay loops, and storytelling. The soul of a game isn't tied to teraflops, or memory bandwidth, or cache quantity.
Yup, simply strong enough amd gpu tech wont be ready for mass console production till 2028 so its not like sony has a choice, they cant halfass as important project as ps6, hell ps5pr0 being 700$discless(which lead to crazy 900€+ with discdrive here in europe) and only up to 40% gpu power is big fumble too but wont bear longterm consequences similar to badly designed and priced ps6, it has to really be proper this time, no place for failure.For 3 years I have said Oct/Nov 2028. I was LMAO anytime someone said 2026 or 2027.
It is perfectly fine for me. I won't be getting a PS6, I'll just play on my PS5 next gen and then maybe get a PS7. It's a peaceful life and I still enjoy the heck out of my games.It doesn't matter even if it has zero limitations, it's old hardware.
Why would anyone want to continue to game on old hardware that long is beyond me.
Even if all we get is cross-gen games, having new updated, more performant, more efficient hardware after 7 years of the PS5 launch is needed.
U say it now, bro, but once u see all those games on ps6 with rt and running proper in 1080p60 ai upscaled to 4k vs ur ps5 "downports" with switch1 resolutions(600-800p)aka pixels the size of ur fists and in unstable 30 fps(thats likely gonna be the difference between 2028 ps6 and ur old af ps5 from 2020), u will look at ur old trusty console like at 400lbs 50yo wife thats sporting a mustache while other playstation fans gonna enjoy brand new ps6 baddieIt is perfectly fine for me. I won't be getting a PS6, I'll just play on my PS5 next gen and then maybe get a PS7. It's a peaceful life and I still enjoy the heck out of my games.![]()
U say it now, bro, but once u see all those games on ps6 with rt and running proper in 1080p60 ai upscaled to 4k vs ur ps5 "downports" with switch1 resolutions(600-800p)aka pixels the size of ur fists and in unstable 30 fps(thats likely gonna be the difference between 2028 ps6 and ur old af ps5 from 2020), u will look at ur old trusty console like at 400lbs 50yo wife thats sporting a mustache while other playstation fans gonna enjoy brand new ps6 baddie
Lets not forget how current gen console ports vs last gen downports can look like:
example1 watch dogs
and here framerate, which is even more important:
and to not go that far back, SW Jedi Survivor:
First spiderman was ps4 release as main platform, it was developed and polished to run amazingly on ps4/ps4pr0, its not the same when game is released first on last gen, then gets next gen port/upgrade.I played the Spider-Man 4 version despite owning the Spider-Man remaster because I didn't like what they did to Peter's face. That's how interested I am in fidelity. So I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with my PS5 for many years to come. I might revisit some games with my PS7 though just to check out the better graphics.
What?I can understand diminishing returns in cut scenes but this level of graphics is still possible during gameplay.
Explain to me why the Switch 2 is selling so well?
Creativity, gameplay loops, and storytelling isn't the main talking point though. It's performance that's the main talking point.
Let's be honest here, the PS5 isn't that powerful. Imo, it mostly just a PS4 Pro Pro with added RT and faster loading. Achieving a next gen leap over even the PS5 Pro isn't that hard to achieve.
I can understand diminishing returns in cut scenes but this level of graphics is still possible during gameplay.
Explain to me why the Switch 2 is selling so well?
Creativity, gameplay loops, and storytelling isn't the main talking point though. It's performance that's the main talking point.
Let's be honest here, the PS5 isn't that powerful. Imo, it mostly just a PS4 Pro Pro with added RT and faster loading. Achieving a next gen leap over even the PS5 Pro isn't that hard to achieve.
Reading comprehension issues.What?
Switch 2 selling has absolutely nothing to do with Naughty Dog tier graphics.
People buy Switch 2 because of the word Nintendo.
"it mostly just a PS4 Pro Pro"
Oki you have no idea what you're writing about, have fun chatting to yourself.
Jaguar cpu -> Zen 2
5400rpm hdd -> Custom PCIe 4 ssd with near every bottleneck taken care of with custom IO hw.
Bonaire gpu -> RDNA 2
etcetcetcetc
I can understand diminishing returns in cut scenes but this level of graphics is still possible during gameplay.
Explain to me why the Switch 2 is selling so well?
Creativity, gameplay loops, and storytelling isn't the main talking point though. It's performance that's the main talking point.
Let's be honest here, the PS5 isn't that powerful. Imo, it mostly just a PS4 Pro Pro with added RT and faster loading. Achieving a next gen leap over even the PS5 Pro isn't that hard to achieve.
repetitive open world games like ghost of yotei , woke crap like intergalactic and wolverine'focused on games right now'?
Doesn't seem like it does it? What games?
The PS3 era wsa their best 1st party era. So much variety. Can sony even make a FPS anymore?repetitive open world games like ghost of yotei , woke crap like intergalactic and wolverine
its not sony's fault you have crappy taste
Warhawk on PS3 bro?!The PS3 era wsa their best 1st party era.
Still playable online on RPCS3 and PS3.Warhawk on PS3 bro?!![]()
PS6 for 2030.
Wait, it's still playable on ps3?!Still playable online on RPCS3 and PS3.
Reading comprehension issues.
You said lots of people are playing on old Nintendo systems but yet the Switch 2 is selling well, which means people prefer to upgrade to newer hardware, than to keep playing on old hardware.
This is the same that will happen if the PS6 launches in 2027, it will sale well. Most people like new hardware.
Keep in mind this is a PS4 game, PS5 games rarely exceed this level of detail, with main differences coming from resolution, framerate or RT.
Yes it is. Google PSrewired.It wouldn't surprise me. Would allow for a big jump that didn't cost too much and allow them to ride current gravy train for 5 more years. I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Except 2020 didn't count, due to shortages and plague. So the generation only really started circa mid-2021.Most PS consoles have a 7 year cycle till the new one is released. I doubt it changes. See you all in November 2027 for launch![]()
Except 2020 didn't count, due to shortages and plague. So the generation only really started circa mid-2021.
When did Knack 3 won GOTY??Cerny needs stfu and make Knack 4
Who said it didnt count? They released PS5 in Nov 2020 lol.
Until Sony says different, it's 2027 Nov, business as usual. Just like PS5 Pro came out the same time frame as PS4 Pro t PS4 and PS5
Its been a weird gen but I dont think that automatically makes it add a year
Going by that extra year added to the mid-way console, they are likely to stretch out this gen by a year, so it's probably going to be 9 years between launches, instead of the customary 8.The PS4 pro released 3 years after the PS4 and the PS5 Pro released 4 years after the PS5 launched.
Or they saw TSMC prices and went:I mean they kinda need to, they forgot to make any games for the current one as they spent most the time developing then cancelling Gaas. Can't have the generation end with just a handful of games having released, and many of their studios having released nothing at all. They need more time to have all those studios start and finish games, then also have enough far along enough to release with the ps6.
I doubt they'll go later than spring/summer (in the US) 2028.Going by that extra year added to the mid-way console, they are likely to stretch out this gen by a year, so it's probably going to be 9 years between launches, instead of the customary 8.