Im starting to think Nintendo will end up in bed with Sony..

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goomba

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This is just some thoughts of mine in regard to the future of the wildcard of this industry, Nintendo

With the next gen looming, Mircosoft are looking serious about increasing their xbox's marketshare considerably. Sony will not be blind to this and will put up a huge defensive with PS3.

Nintendo is the wildcard, they possess franchises and talent that Sony and Microsoft would both kill for (literally). How long can nintendo stay profitable in a market where their compeitors choose to bleed money for maketshare?.

Many have rumoured about Microsoft taking over Nintendo, but that doesnt make sence to me. Nintendo are japanese and favour Japanese game design and philosophy over Western game design (read Nintendos stance on GTA). Japanese businesses pride themselves and i dont beleive a company like nintendo would sell to an american corporation based on principle alone.

It could take even a couple more generations of hardware to occur, but I predict Sony will get into bed with nintendo, and whatever the nature of the relationship, they will be monogamous.

Remember it almost happened with the "Nintendo playstation". They might kiss and make up as they share a common and formidable enemy, Microsoft.

End random thought rant.
 
goomba said:
This is just some thoughts of mine in regard to the future of the wildcard of this industry, Nintendo

With the next gen looming, Mircosoft are looking serious about increasing their xbox's marketshare considerably. Sony will not be blind to this and will put up a huge defensive with PS3.

Nintendo is the wildcard, they possess franchises and talent that Sony and Microsoft would both kill for (literally).
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Stopped reading there.
 
Nintendo pissed Sony off so much that they completely ate up Nintendo's marketshare and became the dominant company in the industry. There is no way Nintendo will go crawling back to Sony after the SNES CD fallout.
 
Here we go again.

Nintendo and Sony's business models don't really match too well despite both companies being Japanese. Nintendo makes high quality products at a cheap price, and Sony's tend to be sold at a loss and have a higher tendency to malfunction. Sony would also be a in a position where they could just tell Nintendo what to do, and Nintendo would have to do it. Their last chance to be really together on something was in the mid-90s with their second partnership on the SNES CD. From what I understand, Nintendo wouldn't have been screwed over- Sony would (the first deal had something where Sony would basically control Nintendo's direction). I could be wrong on both accounts though.

There's a higher chance of Nintendo crawling to Samsung or Panasonic than Sony if/when "it" happens.
 
NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.

MS+Nintendo on the other hand... well they are already helping each other from a certain point of view. ;)
 
"There is no way Nintendo will go crawling back to Sony after the SNES CD fallout."

But Nintendo wouldnt be crawling, Sony and Microsoft could start begging as they are fighting eachother for the set top box market.
 
"Here we go again."

Hey i keep up with current videogame discussion and news. I have not seen much if any discussion on the possibility of Sony and Nintendo hooking up. I would be interested in any links related to this subject if youve got them....
 
goomba said:
"Here we go again."

Hey i keep up with current videogame discussion and news. I have not seen much if any discussion on the possibility of Sony and Nintendo hooking up. I would be interested in any links related to this subject if youve got them....
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No, it's just that this is the million and first "Nintendo is doomed, DOOMED" thread we've had this week. Even if it wasn't begun this way, or intended too, it will surely end up that way.

The difference between the others and this is that I'm actually responding seriously before the trolls appear and/or the flame wars begin.
 
goomba said:
But Nintendo wouldnt be crawling, Sony and Microsoft could start begging as they are fighting eachother for the set top box market.
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Thanks for clarifying that for me Antihawk.

This is not designed as a nintendo is doomed thread. Im just thinking in bed with Sony , they could be more successful than they ever could be alone. This becuase of the emergence of microsoft into the marketplace.
 
Laugh all you want , its been well known microsoft have been begging for a peice of nintendo. Whats to stop sony from making a more attractive offer?
 
goomba said:
Laugh all you want , its been well known microsoft have been begging for a peice of nintendo. Whats to stop sony from making a more attractive offer?
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Microsoft may want some Nintendo, but who said Sony gives a shit unless Nintendo comes to them asking for help first? i highly doubt Sony would want to nab Nintendo first after what happened with the SNES CD/PlayStation unless Nintendo is willing to do whatever Sony tells them.
 
goomba said:
Laugh all you want , its been well known microsoft have been begging for a peice of nintendo. Whats to stop sony from making a more attractive offer?
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The things you’re overlooking are:

You are assuming that because Sony has the bigger market share right now it holds all the cards. Nintendo has around three billion USD in the bank. And everything it does is profitable.

Sony is hanging by a thread right now. PSP production is going to destroy the entire group’s bottom line. Bear in mind for a moment that SCE has propped up Sony for years now as the *only* division making credible profits. With the PlayStation 3 in winkle in the eye of Kutaragi, PSTwo and PSP will be all SCE has to offer for years – perhaps as long as three, that’s THREE years.

By then, the Sony coffers are going to be bare. It’s more likely that Nintendo could look to buy out SCE in a few years. Sounds outrageous but that’s what the money says – simple as that.
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"By then, the Sony coffers are going to be bare. It’s more likely that Nintendo could look to buy out SCE in a few years. Sounds outrageous but that’s what the money says – simple as that."

And what if PSP means the end of nintendos profitability?. Afterall gamboy is nintendos cashcow and is facing its first BIG challenge.

Im not ruling out other fates for nintendo, this is just the one that makes most sence to me. And like i said, could be a while.
 
goomba said:
And what if PSP means the end of nintendos profitability?. Afterall gamboy is nintendos cashcow and is facing its first BIG challenge.
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Come again?
 
So you think the SEGA Gamegear was as strong a challenge to gameboy as the PSP is looking to be?.

Your joking right?
 
No I think he thinks you're incorrect in thinking that the PSP will challenge Nintendo's Portable Monopoly.

Few reasons why, perhaps (cause, let's face it, time WILL tell), no:

*PSP is trying to be too many things.
*Mothers will still buy Nintendo... did you really think the DS WOULDN'T be a big seller this Christmas?
*Nintendo franchise is still all over the DS... Pokemon, Kirby, Mario, etc. etc. etc.

And there are plenty of other reasons why the PSP COULD challenge... but I dun fell like typing anymore.

Edit: And looking at it again... I think he also thinks that the PSP won't end the profitability of Nintendo... to which... I whole-heartedly agree.
 
goomba said:
Who would have thought Playstation would sweep the console rug from under Nintendos feet?
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1001 developers who were sick to death of Nintendo's ill treatment? But look, they are all developing for DS already...
 
Jonnyram said:
1001 developers who were sick to death of Nintendo's ill treatment? But look, they are all developing for DS already...
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This is the only thing worth reading in this thread.

Nintendo and Sony... never going to happen.. Sony doesn't have the liquid capital to make it happen... it is bad enough they have to juggle the PS2 loses on their books let allow gobble up a 14 billion dollar company... because only a buyout will make Nintendo go to bed with anyone
 
Nintendo is not dead from the economic point of view. But from the console demographic view they have every generation less and less sales.

Before or After, we will see Nintendo in a third partie form only because their own console base in the future won´t be rentable.
 
Jonnyram said:
1001 developers who were sick to death of Nintendo's ill treatment? But look, they are all developing for DS already...
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+1

Seeing Sonic on any Nintendo portable machine still boggles my mind to this day (not from a business standpoint just from a gamer standpoint... you know?)
 
First law of GAF: The number of threads about Nintendo going third party is inversely proportional to their financial performance.
 
goomba said:
How long can nintendo stay profitable in a market where their compeitors choose to bleed money for maketshare?.
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Yeah, MrPing1000 is right, forever probably. It is a well documented fact (don't make me quote business journals) that companies that focus on profitability are more profitable then companies that focus on marketshare.

It might clash with our little armchair CEO view of the world that we like to have here on GA, but from a real world business perspective, nintendo is very succesfull.
 
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Dude, his account is older than yours! :lol

Somehow, I find it rather hard to take goomba's opinion/rant seriously when he writes so badly. No offense meant.....
 
ElyrionX said:
Dude, his account is older than yours! :lol

Somehow, I find it rather hard to take goomba's opinion/rant seriously when he writes so badly. No offense meant.....
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Yeah but I started here in 2002
 
Sony wouldn't bend over in any way shape or form for Nintendo. They've *won*. They took out the N64 with the PSX, and the GC hasn't been a successfull counterattack at all to the PS2. The Playstation brand doesn't need Nintendo franchises in any way. Hell Nintendo franchises if given a marketing push would probably hurt the Playstation brand image so it's doubtful that Sony would even want Nintendo associated with them. ESPECIALLY since Sony has always had a giganto chip on their shoulders about the Playstations being mere videogame machines and incorporating a large pure videogaming entity into their midst would only reinforce that unwanted image.


Edit: Microsoft on the other hand would bend over some, they would like to have a breakthrough in Japan (though that is far from necessary as the Xbox showed as did the Genesis all those years back), and some sort of Nintendo partnership is their ideal route for establishing a base.

MS cares more the relationship with game developers (partly due to necessity and partly due to the company mindest), and it would be better for Nintendo as a game creator to get in bed with MS than Sony. Hell Nintendo could stop bitching about online expenses and let MS bear all the cost through Live and get down to the business of MAKING ONLINE GAMES ALREADY.
 
I agreee with Azih on the issues of compatibility. If Nintendo can't sale their own franchises on their console, they sure as hell not going to do it with Sony. This is largely the reason why I argue that Nintendo is more than likely to become completely committed to handhelds where their franchises continue to dominated as opposed to going 2nd or 3rd party. Nintendo being a Sony developer won't magically make their games sell like their N64 counterparts. The correlation between userbase and sales is ultimately a myth--the Playstation brand won't magically make things sell.
 
Bullshit, if a Mario game was to come out on PS2 this Christmas alongside JAK 3, R&C: UYA and Sly Cooper... which one are the majority going to pick? If I was a betting man, I'd put my money on Mario. I mean FFS, a gooddamn $20 release on GBA has sold sometling like near 1 million worldwide (I could be off on my numbers).
 
But would Sony care enough to give Nintendo a sweetheart deal is the question. And I think the answer to that is a resounding No.

Plus the PS2's image is built on GTA. Championing Mario on the same system would at the very least confuse consumers.
 
When Nintendo start posting losses in the red consecutively for several years, that is when I will know that they are doomed. The anti-Nintendo groupies seem to be forgetting that fact whenever they say the company will fold due to the GC and DS.
 
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