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[lowlylowlycook]

I'm not saying that at all... I'm saying that yes, there is reportedly a lower loss on the PS3 hardware at this time due to the most recent reports. I was just throwing it out there that Sony sells more than just consoles. There's software sales, accessories, digital distribution of PSN titles and movies, Qore subscriptions, Home purchases by users, and Home spaces being bought by publishers. Surely they're making some money off this stuff? I just always thought that most companies took a loss on the hardware to get it in your hands, and at that point, that's where they start making money from you in the form of software, accessories, etc.

Obviously the PS2 is still making quite a bit of money, and definitely the PSP is helping a lot at this point.

Well last I heard, MS makes far more money off of Live subscriptions than on DLC, etc. So profits from PSN+Home+ Qore(lol) can't add up to much. I doubt they even begin to pay for the development of Home, and they obviously are not going to cover up billions of dollars in losses.

 

[Y2Kev]

sony should make a new rumble roses and a new shantae!

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

sony should make a new rumble roses and a new shantae!

This is the greatest poster ever, who is not myself!

 

[duk]

Sony should relaunch the PS3. Slimline it, throw out stupid unnecessary stuff to make it 299 by THIS FALL.

 

[Hammer24]

Sony should relaunch the PS3. Slimline it, throw out stupid unnecessary stuff to make it 299 by THIS FALL.

And put in even more development and marketing costs?
It would be financially much more viable to sweat it out at the current price point, and no further SKU´s introduced, at least until they are proftable with every console sold.

 

[yurinka]

I'm not saying that at all... I'm saying that yes, there is reportedly a lower loss on the PS3 hardware at this time due to the most recent reports. I was just throwing it out there that Sony sells more than just consoles. There's software sales, accessories, digital distribution of PSN titles and movies, Qore subscriptions, Home purchases by users, and Home spaces being bought by publishers. Surely they're making some money off this stuff? I just always thought that most companies took a loss on the hardware to get it in your hands, and at that point, that's where they start making money from you in the form of software, accessories, etc.

Obviously the PS2 is still making quite a bit of money, and definitely the PSP is helping a lot at this point.

Remember the PS3 didn't performed so well In USA after the 360 price cut, but isn't the case of Europe and Japan or in USA before the previous months of the year. And remember this cuarter has the Christmas sales.

 

[PuppetMaster]

Sony should relaunch the PS3. Slimline it, throw out stupid unnecessary stuff to make it 299 by THIS FALL.

Not every PS3 comes included with your momma.

 

[andycapps]

Well last I heard, MS makes far more money off of Live subscriptions than on DLC, etc. So profits from PSN+Home+ Qore(lol) can't add up to much. I doubt they even begin to pay for the development of Home, and they obviously are not going to cover up billions of dollars in losses.

So the part about the gaming divisions losses trending upward and approaching profitability again don't matter? Every console has billions of dollars in losses in R & D. That's unavoidable. The question is whether the company can make it back over the lifetime of the product.

 

[duk]

And put in even more development and marketing costs?
It would be financially much more viable to sweat it out at the current price point, and no further SKU´s introduced, at least until they are proftable with every console sold.

you don't think they are already looking to slim it down?

so sony should drop ps3 all together? with no development and marketing, do you think ps3 would even sell?

 

[RavenFox]

Sony should relaunch the PS3. Slimline it, throw out stupid unnecessary stuff to make it 299 by THIS FALL.

What's unnecessary in the PS3 pray tell? Is there a component that's not being utilized?
Its funny seeing folks like you cry about price when the the 360's component are anything but well made. You get what you pay for?
Slim line it lol. Good brains you have there

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

What's unnecessary in the PS3 pray tell? Is there a component that's not being utilized?
Its funny seeing folks like you cry about price when the the 360's component are anything but well made. You get what you pay for?
Slim line it lol. Good brains you have there

Sort of like the PS2?

Despite all the bad PR over hardware faults, the system still sells because it has a lot of attractive software. :\

And gamers are retards who aren't fit to apply for a position as Pavlov's Dog.

 

[badcrumble]

Sony should relaunch the PS3. Slimline it, throw out stupid unnecessary stuff to make it 299 by THIS FALL.

Read this post instead of RavenFox's because it's not condescending and trollish!

There's really nothing left to cut out of the PS3 in my opinion now that they're down to no card readers, no PS2 BC, and two USB ports. They can still shrink the die size though, and they're working on it, so a slimline is almost certainly on its way (I don't see it coming in 2009 though). I think we'll see a $299 price point before the summer, though.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

Just because Sony's not going to get rid of the gaming division doesn't mean they aren't going to make ANY changes. I would guess no price drop and a slowdown in R&D spending on psp2, ps4, ps3slim and whatever else they have in the pipe will likely get the axe.

Also, Sony needs to force the GT5 team to just release the damn game already. They've probably spend tons of money bankrolling that games 8 year development cycle.

GTPSP says hello!
(Actually it says Please god, kill me already, I've never seen sunlight, let me OUT!!!)

 

[Kill Your Masters]

What's unnecessary in the PS3 pray tell? Is there a component that's not being utilized?
Its funny seeing folks like you cry about price when the the 360's component are anything but well made. You get what you pay for?
Slim line it lol. Good brains you have there

Smaller, slimmer products will just sell better to everyone, this bulky big black thing is just something for enthusiasts, it's not about utilization, it's about appeal to the consumers.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Smaller, slimmer products will just sell better to everyone, this bulky big black thing is just something for enthusiasts.

It's only "bad" when it's Microsoft's huge console.

Really, I'm shocked the PS3 was as huge as it was after all the "lol Xbox is huuuuge" stuff, and excuses as to why an Xbox wouldn't fit in the average Japanese home.

 

[Hammer24]

you don't think they are already looking to slim it down?

They probably are. But this will also be the first they cut for cost savings.

so sony should drop ps3 all together?

Who said that? Not me for sure. The PS3 is a ready product. Why drop it, when profitability on it isn´t too far away?

with no development and marketing, do you think ps3 would even sell?

The PS3 in itself doesn´t need any further development. The cell factories are sold, the slimlining of the processors can be outsourced. And the PS3 as a console doesn´t need any marketing anymore - its much too long on the market to drastically change the perception on it.
What they have to market are the games, but this is something entirely different.

 

[duk]

Read this post instead of RavenFox's because it's not condescending and trollish!

There's really nothing left to cut out of the PS3 in my opinion now that they're down to no card readers, no PS2 BC, and two USB ports. They can still shrink the die size though, and they're working on it, so a slimline is almost certainly on its way (I don't see it coming in 2009 though). I think we'll see a $299 price point before the summer, though.

Don't worry lots of bitter tears in this thread. Doesn't matter anyways to me. I have a 40gigger and want my PS3 to remain viable for a long time... anyways back to topic :lol

I think Sony can start aggressively negotiating component costs, especially in this economic time as component manufacturers are hurting to keep or find new businesses. It's just not about cutting out unneeded parts but cutting costs on contacts and manufacturing too.

Keep the parts that the MASSES would care most about, cut the others. Sony has to get aggressive, this is key. Obviously cutting PS2 compatability just didn't cut costs enough. A gimped PS3 to the hard-core like GAF maybe putrid, but the MASS consumer would gobble up a 'tard' edition PS3.

 

[RubberJohnny]

I'm not saying that at all... I'm saying that yes, there is reportedly a lower loss on the PS3 hardware at this time due to the most recent reports. I was just throwing it out there that Sony sells more than just consoles. There's software sales, accessories, digital distribution of PSN titles and movies, Qore subscriptions, Home purchases by users, and Home spaces being bought by publishers. Surely they're making some money off this stuff? I just always thought that most companies took a loss on the hardware to get it in your hands, and at that point, that's where they start making money from you in the form of software, accessories, etc.

Obviously the PS2 is still making quite a bit of money, and definitely the PSP is helping a lot at this point.

Sure, they're making money on that stuff, but they're also making losses on even more stuff that isn't included in the components of the consoles, not included in those iSuppli estimates. Shipping, Marketing costs, as well the funding of numerous first party studios that make very expensive, high production value games and don't make their money back.

Killzone 2 cost more than GTA4 before they even showed a single real trailer, and GTA was multiplatform so at least stood a greater change of making that back. With Resistance 2 and LBP selling lower than expectations, does anyone think Killzone 2 will make a significant profit?

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

A gimped PS3 to the hard-core like GAF maybe putrid, but the MASS consumer would gobble up a 'tard' edition PS3.

I don't know about that.

Everybody I know who's plenty casual and still on the fence about a new console has been put off of the PS3 when I mention it won't play their PS2 games.

Sony needs to get PS2 BC back in the PS3 to increase the perceived value of the system. :|

Here's to hoping PS4 launches with full PS legacy BC, and is priced at $299.99!

 

[Relix]

You guys need to understand something, and you obviously need a few Finance and Economic classes. Gaming isn't the only division inside Sony, it has many, many more... and most of them are bleeding money to Sony, plus add to that a global recession and you have a big ass pot of problems. It is completely undeniable that the PS3 has been hitting Sony hard, and the hard competition in the HDTV market ain't helping. They don't have a Walkman anymore. There was once a time when a Walkman and the Playstation brand guided them to success and they built the future of the company around the basis that these products could sustain the company for a while. What happened? Well, I-Pod came. Instantly killed the Walkman. And now came the Wii. Two important brands for Sony are down. One is nearly dead (Walkman) and the other one is underperforming compared to its predecessors (Guess who). It's not a troll, it's not a stupid fanboy rant, it's the truth.

In the end, Sony WILL cut costs for the gaming division. What does this mean? Less 1st party games, less R&D and hell even a PS3 1/2. Also, you shouldn't expect a price drop, though personally they will drop it once more for KZ2 to try and revive the brand, give it the jump-start it needs. But if it fails? I don't think for any more cuts. Sony is in trouble, and their Gaming Division will be affected. All that matters.

Sorry for the rant =P

 

[Stink]

they should just put out a PS2 with HDMI and DS3 compatibility. I'd buy a dozen.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

People lose jobs.

That's life.

It's the price we pay for allowing the worker to become expendable and have a less secure twilight.

Although I've always planned on having to work during "retirement". :lol

That's life is not adequate justification for any injustices, let a lone the sorts of injustices that have occured during this market collapse.

c'est la vie, laissez faire

romantic tag lines to cover up the apathy of people in finding optimal solutions to hard issues.

It's a good attitude to have to minimize damage to self; but it's not incompatible to also want and work for change for the better. The more congruent attitude there would be; "Oh well, at least I gave it a shot."

And if things do happen to succeed... well that is what life should be.

 

[badcrumble]

Don't worry lots of bitter tears in this thread. Doesn't matter anyways to me. I have a 40gigger and want my PS3 to remain viable for a long time... anyways back to topic :lol

I think Sony can start aggressively negotiating component costs, especially in this economic time as component manufacturers are hurting to keep or find new businesses. It's just not about cutting out unneeded parts but cutting costs on contacts and manufacturing too.

Keep the parts that the MASSES would care most about, cut the others. Sony has to get aggressive, this is key. Obviously cutting PS2 compatability just didn't cut costs enough. A gimped PS3 to the hard-core like GAF maybe putrid, but the MASS consumer would gobble up a 'tard' edition PS3.

The PS3 needs a hard drive, that can't get cut, and the size of the hard drive isn't a big deal for price really. It also needs Blu-Ray compatibility given that all the games are on Blu-Ray (and the price of those drives is dropping fast anyway). Unless you want it to revert to wired non-rumble controllers, I don't see what sort of components can be dropped, really.

I think the most important thing is to get to $299 and to get PS2 software BC into it in some form. It'd be a bad idea to drop features at this point, given that they're all pretty crucial to the way the console works, and fragment the PS3 market. Can you give me any other examples of stuff you think could be safely cut?

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

That's life is not adequate justification for any injustices, let a lone the sorts of injustices that have occured during this market collapse.

c'est la vie, laissez faire

romantic tag lines to cover up the apathy of people in finding optimal solutions to hard issues.

It's a good attitude to have to minimize damage to self; but it's not incompatible to also want and work for change for the better. The more congruent attitude there would be; "Oh well, at least I gave it a shot."

And if things do happen to succeed... well that is what life should be.

Life is a dog eat dog struggle to make it day by day, and then you die.

The glass is half empty my friend.

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

Sony needs to get PS2 BC back in the PS3 to increase the perceived value of the system. :|

My completely unfounded feeling is that that ship has mostly sailed. Each person who was turned off when they were told that their PS3 wouldn't be BC likely didn't just sit around waiting for the PS3 to be BC at some future point.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

That's life is not adequate justification for any injustices, let a lone the sorts of injustices that have occured during this market collapse.

c'est la vie, laissez faire

romantic tag lines to cover up the apathy of people in finding optimal solutions to hard issues.

It's a good attitude to have to minimize damage to self; but it's not incompatible to also want and work for change for the better. The more congruent attitude there would be; "Oh well, at least I gave it a shot."

And if things do happen to succeed... well that is what life should be.

 

[SkySonata]

Here's to hoping PS4 launches with full PS legacy BC, and is priced at $299.99!

What a coding nightmare that would be......and it would be a nightmare they'd have to prepare for starting now, if they really want to have the whole legacy backward compatible. But the costs would be too high, especially right now.

Of course it will cost them even more as the perceived value continues to drop because the BC PS3s are no longer in production, but Sony has made it clear this is their preference.

 

[RavenFox]

Smaller, slimmer products will just sell better to everyone, this bulky big black thing is just something for enthusiasts, it's not about utilization, it's about appeal to the consumers.

That is true sir but it's not going to happen this year. Im sorry if my earlier post sounded condescending gaf.

Read this post instead of RavenFox's because it's not condescending and trollish!

There's really nothing left to cut out of the PS3 in my opinion now that they're down to no card readers, no PS2 BC, and two USB ports. They can still shrink the die size though, and they're working on it, so a slimline is almost certainly on its way (I don't see it coming in 2009 though). I think we'll see a $299 price point before the summer, though.

Wasn't being trollish at all but I see how my post can be seen as such. I agree with your post.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

My completely unfounded feeling is that that ship has mostly sailed. Each person who was turned off when they were told that their PS3 wouldn't be BC likely didn't just sit around waiting for the PS3 to be BC at some future point.

Nope, because at that time the PS3 was still severely overpriced.

Sure, I bit the bullet because I'm something of an idiot game nerd.

However I was just bored to tears by a co-worker who spent a better portion of the Christmas shopping season looking for someone to overcharge her for a PS3 that would play all of her PS2 games. :|

Put BC back in PS3, it's more important than bullshit like Home™.

 

[PuppetMaster]

They don't have a Walkman anymore.

You are wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=walkman+mp3&x=0&y=0

 

[Relix]

You are wrong.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=walkman+mp3&x=0&y=0

Sales-wise *wink*

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

If I should succeed (this 150 meter jump on my rocket bike), then that is what life should be!

If not. Then at least I tried!

Works in every situation.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

My completely unfounded feeling is that that ship has mostly sailed. Each person who was turned off when they were told that their PS3 wouldn't be BC likely didn't just sit around waiting for the PS3 to be BC at some future point.

I continue to hope inside that it'll happen. There are so many PS2 games I missed..

 

[duk]

The PS3 needs a hard drive, that can't get cut, and the size of the hard drive isn't a big deal for price really. It also needs Blu-Ray compatibility given that all the games are on Blu-Ray (and the price of those drives is dropping fast anyway). Unless you want it to revert to wired non-rumble controllers, I don't see what sort of components can be dropped, really.

I think the most important thing is to get to $299 and to get PS2 software BC into it in some form. It'd be a bad idea to drop features at this point, given that they're all pretty crucial to the way the console works, and fragment the PS3 market. Can you give me any other examples of stuff you think could be safely cut?

I think the obvious components to keep are: hdd, BR drive and DS3 controllers. I really don't think Sony will spend the resources ($) to figure out s/w PS2 BC. These are the core components and cannot be dropped like you said, it would fragment the market.

I think they can find a way to get to 45nm for cell and rsx asap, even if it's to go with another mfg. I know what you mean when PS3 is pretty lean as it is, Sony's stuck right now but if going from wireless to wired network connectivity saves a decent amount, they should go that route and sell an adapter @ a low price point (say $30-40) where consumers would buy it. This won't fragment the market.

Honestly, their best bet right now to reduce cost on each PS3 is to re-negotiate the mfg and marketing contracts.

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

I continue to hope inside that it'll happen. There are so many PS2 games I missed..

Oh, don't get me wrong, I want it too, but I just don't think if they did it at this point that you'd see some huge wave of former PS2 users suddenly adopt because many have moved on. That's all I'm saying.

 

[RavenFox]

You guys need to understand something, and you obviously need a few Finance and Economic classes. Gaming isn't the only division inside Sony, it has many, many more... and most of them are bleeding money to Sony, plus add to that a global recession and you have a big ass pot of problems. It is completely undeniable that the PS3 has been hitting Sony hard, and the hard competition in the HDTV market ain't helping. They don't have a Walkman anymore. There was once a time when a Walkman and the Playstation brand guided them to success and they built the future of the company around the basis that these products could sustain the company for a while. What happened? Well, I-Pod came. Instantly killed the Walkman. And now came the Wii. Two important brands for Sony are down. One is nearly dead (Walkman) and the other one is underperforming compared to its predecessors (Guess who). It's not a troll, it's not a stupid fanboy rant, it's the truth.

In the end, Sony WILL cut costs for the gaming division. What does this mean? Less 1st party games, less R&D and hell even a PS3 1/2. Also, you shouldn't expect a price drop, though personally they will drop it once more for KZ2 to try and revive the brand, give it the jump-start it needs. But if it fails? I don't think for any more cuts. Sony is in trouble, and their Gaming Division will be affected. All that matters.

Sorry for the rant =P

I agree with most of what you wrote but this. There are things you can cut and there are things that are suicidal if cut. 1st party is Sony and the bread and butter of differentiating your console abilities. Also why would a tech company like Sony spend less on R&D? Did that stop Apple when they were down and out?

 

[Doubledex]

Oh god... I knew this stupid thread would rise....

 

[mintylurb]

Yes and the OP was being egged on to post it here to generate drama. So far it's all been going according to the keikaku.

Nah, from his previous posts, it's rather obvious that the OP was quite eager to post this rumor on the gaming side to generate drama.

Well, as a PS3 owner, now I'm getting kinda worried about my purchase.

Don't worry jett. You can still use your ps3 as a blu-ray player to watch your favorite movie, speed racer.

 

[RavenFox]

Nah, from his previous posts, it's rather obvious that the OP was quite eager to post this rumor on the gaming side to generate drama.


Don't worry jett. You can still use your ps3 as a blu-ray player to watch your favorite movie, speed racer.

Of course it was posted to generate drama. Sonys gaming division isnt going anywhere.

 

[Relix]

I agree with most of what you wrote but this. There are things you can cut and there are things that are suicidal if cut. 1st party is Sony and the bread and butter of differentiating your console abilities. Also why would a tech company like Sony spend less on R&D? Did that stop Apple when they were down and out?

The difference comes from a cultural fact: American Company and a Japanese Company. Usually, American companies are very aggressive with their products while Japanese are usually very reserved a conservative. It's a generalization though, and Sony is in fact a tech company, but for a short while they might try to ride out the recession by laying low for a while. They need to keep shareholders interested in the company, and many investors are looking for stable companies to put their money in.

Also, I am fairly sure Sony will keep the Cell for a loooong while. The next Playstation will not have the same amount poured into it as the PS3 did. Take for example Nintendo. They were on the brink of destruction, and using similar hardware they released the Wii. Can't forget the NDS though, but it was obvious at one point that it was a rushed decision (remember the prototype?). The Wii did benefit from more R&D money because of the DS. You could see with the DS launch lineup that Nintendo wasn't prepared for it (Mario 64?). Sony will try and do something like this, but they are so tech oriented that it might not be easy

 

[KernelPanic]

I believe Kutargi left Sony with plans for 6 years of cost reductions on the PS3.

IBM starts making 45nm Cell Chips in February, these should be in the PS3 by next holiday season. This will bring smaller/cheaper cooling and power supply and perhaps a smaller system case. Cost of Blu-Ray drops slowly as well I'm sure.

The hard drive is the only thing they can't make cheaper, they can give you a bigger drive for the same cost though.

We don't know if Sony has plans or has invested in PS2 software B/C, that would greatly increase the appeal of the system.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Of course it was posted to generate drama. Sonys gaming division isnt going anywhere.

Well the clearance racks is certainly somwhere.

 

[[Nintex]]

I agree with most of what you wrote but this. There are things you can cut and there are things that are suicidal if cut. 1st party is Sony and the bread and butter of differentiating your console abilities. Also why would a tech company like Sony spend less on R&D? Did that stop Apple when they were down and out?

Look at COD:WAW sales and look at Resistance 2 sales, it's quite obvious that first party isn't as important as they thought, and without their important franchises like GT5 MIA Sony first party is down for the count. It's not like SCE and friends release instant million sellers, most of them are "slow burners" and pack-ins. Sony won't drop the gaming division, but there will be some cuts and they won't be going on another Home adventure anytime soon.

 

[RubberJohnny]

I agree with most of what you wrote but this. There are things you can cut and there are things that are suicidal if cut. 1st party is Sony and the bread and butter of differentiating your console abilities. Also why would a tech company like Sony spend less on R&D? Did that stop Apple when they were down and out?

Because the type of games they make are really expensive and don't sell much? I don't think it's too likely that it'll be cut, especially as the report specifically says that they software should be a focus.

But do you think LAIR made back its 30 million? Heavenly Sword? Folklore? Resistance 2 and LBP sold less than expectations, do you think Heavy Rain will make money?

 

[Evlar]

Of course it was posted to generate drama. Sonys gaming division isnt going anywhere.

What is this faith that nothing can ever change in the gaming landscape so we can't even discuss the possibilities? I see no reason to believe these things are impossible.

 

[duk]

Because the type of games they make are really expensive and don't sell much? I don't think it's too likely that it'll be cut, especially as the report specifically says that they software should be a focus.

But do you think LAIR made back its 30 million? Heavenly Sword? Folklore? Resistance 2 and LBP sold less than expectations, do you think Heavy Rain will make money?

I think R2 has a good chance of making back the money and earning a small amount.

but yeah, LAIR was epic failt

 

[Brofist]

It's only "bad" when it's Microsoft's huge console.

Really, I'm shocked the PS3 was as huge as it was after all the "lol Xbox is huuuuge" stuff, and excuses as to why an Xbox wouldn't fit in the average Japanese home.

The size really isn't that bad when you consider the HDD is housed inside it and no power brick.

 

[KernelPanic]

Look at COD:WAW sales and look at Resistance 2 sales, it's quite obvious that first party isn't as important as they thought, and without their important franchises like GT5 MIA Sony first party is down for the count. It's not like SCE and friends release instant million sellers, most of them are "slow burners" and pack-ins. Sony won't drop the gaming division, but there will be some cuts and they won't be going on another Home adventure anytime soon.

Almost all of Sony's first party output has been new IPs. Their problem is that almost all the big titles that defined the playstation in the past were 3rd party which Sony doesn't control.

They've been trying to build up the brand using new ideas this gen but it's not easy.

They really need to open their vault and use some of the classic IPs they own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Computer_Entertainment

Sony Computer Entertainment owned franchises:
Alundra
Ape Escape
Arc the Lad
ATV Offroad Fury
Beyond the Beyond
Buzz!
Calling All Cars!
Colony Wars
Cool Boarders
Dark Cloud
Destruction Derby
Dog's Life
Downhill Domination
Dropship: United Peace Force
Echochrome
Extermination
EyeToy
FantaVision
flOw
Folklore
Formula One
G-Police
Gangs of London
Genji
Getaway, The
Ghosthunter
God of War
Gran Turismo
Grind Session
Hardware
Heavenly Sword
Home
Hot Shots Golf
ICO
InFamous
Intelligent Qube
Jak and Daxter
Jet Moto
Jumping Flash!
Kileak: The DNA Imperative
Killzone
Kinetica
Lair
Last Guy, The
Legend of Dragoon, The
Legend of Legaia
Lemmings
LittleBigPlanet
LocoRoco
Mark of Kri, The
MediEvil
MLB
Motor Toon Grand Prix
MotorStorm
NBA ShootOut
NCAA Final Four
NCAA GameBreaker
NFL GameDay
NFL Xtreme
NHL FaceOff
Okage: Shadow King
Omega Boost
PaRappa the Rapper
Patapon
Philosoma
PoPoLoCrois
Porsche Challenge
Primal
Pursuit Force
Rally Cross
Ratchet & Clank
Resistance
Rogue Galaxy
Shadow of the Colossus
SingStar
Siren
Sky Odyssey
Sly Cooper
SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs
Syphon Filter
Turbo Prop Racing
Twisted Metal
Uncharted
War of the Monsters
Warhawk
Wipeout
Wild Arms
White Knight Chronicles
"Xtreme" Games

That sounds like a good start.

 

[Rolf NB]

So when is Sony's earnings release for CQ4/08 due? Three weeks, give or take a few days?

 

[PuppetMaster]

Look at COD:WAW sales and look at Resistance 2 sales, it's quite obvious that first party isn't as important as they thought, and without their important franchises like GT5 MIA Sony first party is down for the count. It's not like SCE and friends release instant million sellers, most of them are "slow burners" and pack-ins. Sony won't drop the gaming division, but there will be some cuts and they won't be going on another Home adventure anytime soon.

Here is a clue. Insomniac is not a Sony studio.

Here is a another clue. If Insomniac was a multi platform studio. They wouldn't be getting half as much as attention as they do now. It takes more than just a decent game to stand out in this crowded FPS market.

Spoiler

I LIKE Insomniac games but this is the truth.