in this thread, we throw poop and call it art
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KyotoMecca
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Not sure if anyone mentioned this but obviously SCE made a loss during the R&D phase of the last two years. It's a $4bn roll of the dice, as Phil Harrison put it recently.
Putting out content from SCE is not as expensive and it says they want to focus on content revenue. Seems to me SCE is safe. Many of the electronics divisions lose money, I think.
Putting out content from SCE is not as expensive and it says they want to focus on content revenue. Seems to me SCE is safe. Many of the electronics divisions lose money, I think.
Hellsing321
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That'd be neither. He just went fishing and a whole mess of fish.badcrumble said:
Beer Monkey
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iDoubleSpy said:
Like game consoles?
In terms of consumer products, what other than Blu-Ray does Sony have that others aren't doing?
Puppet Master:
First, we know for a fact that the Wii had a higher attach ratio than the PS3 as of September 2008. Relevant evidence can be found here, via NPD. You'll notice two things: first, that the Wii has an attach ratio of 5.5 while the PS3 had a ratio of 5.3; second, that the Wii has sold far and away the most software in the US this year.
Second, you are correct that Sony is a massive company with dozens of divisions. However, SCE has lost ~3.5 billion dollars in the last two years, far more than any other division. Can you see why some might suspect that the division with the most losses might be some significant overhaul? It's not an outrageous position.
Of course, I personally think SCE will only be hit slightly, because they had such an extended period of growth and profitability before the PS3, and because the product line is tied to so many of Sony's other ventures. That's what I personally think will happen -- however, it certainly isn't absurd to suggest otherwise.
First, we know for a fact that the Wii had a higher attach ratio than the PS3 as of September 2008. Relevant evidence can be found here, via NPD. You'll notice two things: first, that the Wii has an attach ratio of 5.5 while the PS3 had a ratio of 5.3; second, that the Wii has sold far and away the most software in the US this year.
Second, you are correct that Sony is a massive company with dozens of divisions. However, SCE has lost ~3.5 billion dollars in the last two years, far more than any other division. Can you see why some might suspect that the division with the most losses might be some significant overhaul? It's not an outrageous position.
Of course, I personally think SCE will only be hit slightly, because they had such an extended period of growth and profitability before the PS3, and because the product line is tied to so many of Sony's other ventures. That's what I personally think will happen -- however, it certainly isn't absurd to suggest otherwise.
lowlylowlycook
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KyotoMecca said:
Wait, so you are saying that Sony lost more money that all the profits from the PS2 as part of a (dare I say 10 year) plan?
They did that on purpose?
fortified_concept
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AstroLad said:
SEGA WILL FINALLY AVENGE DREAMCAST'S DEATH! FUCK YEAH!
I knew this thread would be copy-pasted from the Offtopic forum by some excited ex-Sega fan. Keep wishing boys. :lol
This thread is a great way to find these sad people who still want to avenge Dreamcast's cancellation.
outunderthestars
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Forsete said:
Rampant Piracy says "Oh hell no, not gonna happen Matey!"
manueldelalas
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A Twisty Fluken
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ShinAmano said:
wikipedia provides very prompt access to information. more prompt than forums, in most cases!
Anyway, NA release of Wii Play: February 12, 2007
I believed in Nintendo. I believed DS has chance to win, even though Nintendo was doomed. Was getting laughed at by people pointing at PSP sales slowly getting closer and closer to DS. Tide turned. PS3 was supposed to be the shit, winning this generation by far. Wii finally killing dumb Nintendo.AstroLad said:
Maybe I like Nintendo less now, after their recent actions. But oh god, seeing Sony fanboys crying and epic meltdowns would be SO satisfying. Just for the heck of seeing the pure EPICNESS of it.
I'm with you on this one, woot!
Grampa Simpson
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Yes. And they'll be crying about the Playstation brand in 2023 as well.Averon said:
Flying_Phoenix
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Well the PR did say it was just a bunch of BS. And even in the article it states that SONY wants to go against competitors such as Apple and Nintendo.
Either way if the gaming division somehow gets dropped I wouldn't know how to feel. In one way I'd be excited as I'd only need 2 home consoles to get all the games. But another side of me is saying it would be bad because there would be far less competition. It was the "third wheel" syndrome that resulted in Nintendo making the Wii and it is the "third wheel" syndrome that is giving Microsoft any real compeition right now. Not to mention that Nintendo will once again have a monopoly with handheld gaming.
Either way if the gaming division somehow gets dropped I wouldn't know how to feel. In one way I'd be excited as I'd only need 2 home consoles to get all the games. But another side of me is saying it would be bad because there would be far less competition. It was the "third wheel" syndrome that resulted in Nintendo making the Wii and it is the "third wheel" syndrome that is giving Microsoft any real compeition right now. Not to mention that Nintendo will once again have a monopoly with handheld gaming.
So basically yes is the answer. And this is why Wii Play was a success and the VP bundle was not...If I have had a console for less then a month I am still looking for an extra controller...toss a game in at not much cost difference then you have a winner...if I had a console for a couple of years a controller bundle would not sell me.A Twisty Fluken said:
Anyhow On-Topic: Companies restructure all the time.
fse
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iDoubleSpy
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Well I know they shut down their robotics division a few years back, thats a good example. Things like MP3 players and other useless pieces of plastic. Don't hate on the PS3
CrunchinJelly
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Remember Clie?cilonen said:
A Twisty Fluken
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iDoubleSpy said:
I did my senior project in college on an AIBO
*tears*Sony has a lot of divisions, so SCE may not be hit too hard:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corporation_shareholders_and_subsidiaries
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corporation_shareholders_and_subsidiaries
wiid said:
You're repeating the same question people have been asking since page 1 as if it were some new kind of thought
Also, you seemed satisfied with Microsoft's unofficial semi-denial in the other thread, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't be satisfied with Sony's outright denial (well, it's outright relative to Microsoft's thusfar). Then again, I'm not sure if you should take either company's response as gospel for now.
Darth Sonik
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For a while there I thought Astrolad had over fished this pond, but just like real fishing patience is required for the real feeding frenzy to begin.
Hail.
Hail.
Shhhandycapps said:
Around 2005-2006 (maybe until early 2k7) I was crazy Nintendo fanboy and loved taking part in fanboy wars, especially ones about sales when Nintendo started overtaking sony >.>
I don't care so much about Nintendo right now, but bad taste remains. And these bitter tears would be so sweet
:<
TrAcEr_x90
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I guess I have to give Microsoft props for creating a faulty product, selling them for a couple hundred dollars, and still managing good sales. boggles my mind.
Fenderputty
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bmf said:
Do people really believe the gaming division is going to be dropped? :lol
Forsete
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cilonen said:
Actually they are the 3rd largest dSLR maker in the world, aprox. 12% of the market. Much bigger than the others who have been in the game longer.
They are the biggest CCD maker in the world, 4th or 5th in CMOS development passing Canon recently. I doubt very much the Alpha line would be put up for chops, apart from possible layoffs. IIRC Nikon and Canon have plans for layoffs.
As far as dSLRs go, Sony has just started hacking away at Canikon.
iDoubleSpy
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A Twisty Fluken said:I did my senior project in college on an AIBO
I did my senior project on Asimo! JK JK
But I really am going to stick to my guy and say Sony is going to become a very small company. Focusing on the current demand from consumers. Anyone else see Sony as just a TV/Game company?
I think the days of competing against things like iPod and Dell computers are over. This is a good thing for everyone
gofreak said:You're repeating the same question people have been asking since page 1 as if it were some new kind of thought
Also, you seemed satisfied with Microsoft's unofficial semi-denial in the other thread, so I'm not sure why you wouldn't be satisfied with Sony's outright denial (well, it's outright relative to Microsoft's thusfar). Then again, I'm not sure if you should take either company's response as gospel for now.
Finally a voice of reason. Your tag is well deserved good sir.
CassSept said:Shhh
Around 2005-2006 (maybe until early 2k7) I was crazy Nintendo fanboy and loved taking part in fanboy wars, especially ones about sales when Nintendo started overtaking sony >.>
I don't care so much about Nintendo right now, but bad taste remains. And these bitter tears would be so sweet
:<
I'd prefer no one to go under. I don't really care who is winning right now so long as I keep getting games that are for my tastes.
But I really think you fell for Astrolad's joke..
Forsete said:
I 'd be surprised if a major electronics company didn't have plans for layoffs. Are they counted third biggest begause they just bought KonicaMinolta a year or so ago and haven;t got round to 'rationalising' that merger yet; or because they're counting the lower end Nikon DSLR's they practically make too?
I'd be surprised if sales-wise their DSLR range was near the top two; digicams they probably hold their own for sure. I'm prepared to be wrong though
Forsete
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cilonen said:I 'd be surprised if a major electronics company didn't have plans for layoffs. Are they counted third biggest begause they just bought KonicaMinolta a year or so ago and haven;t got round to 'rationalising' that merger yet; or because they're counting the lower end Nikon DSLR's they practically make too?
I'd be surprised if sales-wise their DSLR range was near the top two; digicams they probably hold their own for sure. I'm prepared to be wrong though
They are counted as Sony/KM sales obviously, not the stuff they make for Nikon (sensors for D300, D90, D3x).
They are far behind Canikon, but they have only owned KM for about 2 years and just released their 35mm FF 5-6 months ago. In that time the growth has been strong.