Depends. Was there crunch?
I did watch it again. He's still wrong though. In DF's interview, Insomniac's Mike F. said they're filling up all the available memory for each level (which I assume to be around 10-13GB) as Ratchet jumps from one section to another in quick succession.
assurdum
is embarrassing.
...you do realize corporations have been perfecting the art of misleading without lying for decades right? All for the sake of avoiding said legal implications.
tbh the bulk of the silliness around the PS5 SSD is gamers wanting to believe that it's magical
Strange when industry veteran tell that XSS is a potential bottleneck, their opinion is somehow dismissed ("b...b...but they have yet to find out how the magical RAM saving features....").
Yet, this guy now "proves" how the SSD is not necessary, by giving his assumptions and with no real proof.
Anyway, that guy should also point out in his video, what the comprimises would be to port the game to last gen(s). It's not like the RAM amount, for example, is the same. Lower assets quality, longer loading times (maybe even midgame...), sub-30 fps, smaller environments, less effects.. etc.
Ah but wait, if he starts to list such compromises, people would start to argue that, indeed, the game is benefitting from an SSD....
Yep. Plain and simple.
The tech is real, of course, but we have the greasy fingerprints of marketing all over Rift Apart. Blowing it out of proportion.
Are you dense? It's not my opinion, I just happen to think the person who created the video who has had a long and successful career in the industry and is an expert in his field knows what he's talking about.
This is an insane argument. Ratchet's transitions are what 2 seconds? You are saying an 8 second transition would mean the same experience? They transport you from one world to another a total of 5 times. That's 40 seconds of waiting in transition portals vs 10. How is that even remotely comparable?
Everything's comparable with enough mental gimnastics : )
It isn't that hard to believe that a similar effect to the level switching in R&C could be achieved on previous gen consoles. The concept had been around at least since the Genesis/Megadrive days. It just couldn't be achieved the same way on the PS4 as it was on the PS5 because the ability to stream assets in real-time wasn't as easy.
Strange when industry veteran tell that XSS is a potential bottleneck, their opinion is somehow dismissed ("b...b...but they have yet to find out how the magical RAM saving features....").
Yet, this guy now "proves" how the SSD is not necessary, by giving his assumptions and with no real proof.
Anyway, that guy should also point out in his video, what the comprimises would be to port the game to last gen(s). It's not like the RAM amount, for example, is the same. Lower assets quality, longer loading times (maybe even midgame...), sub-30 fps, smaller environments, less effects.. etc.
Ah but wait, if he starts to list such compromises, people would start to argue that, indeed, the game is benefitting from an SSD....
So are the people in the person you quoted but you believe one over the other? What has this guy done in recent years? He was a great programmer for 16bit tech but what has he done revolutionary in the 3D space in the past 5 years?
He must know something, look at his past projects.
Would it be a hassle to confirm?
No it's 2 second transition plus 6 seconds on rails. That's 8 seconds
I dont understand how you can feel misled by the marketing when they came out and said that those portal sequences will be limited to setpieces. If anything, they were up front about that.
Firstly, Jon Burton clearly deserves more respect than being referred to as "some Lego developer" and secondly his video is only going through the motions of how he thinks it is possible to do the things that happen in the R&C. He has not claimed he knows how Insomniac did it. That's not the point of the video.
This is one of those posts that make less sense the more I read them.
I would wager that some Lego game developer knows more about it than most of us do. What video games have any of us created that give us any leverage to just outright dismiss him? What's your personal experience with game streaming tech? The Lego games stream assets from disk during gameplay so he certainly know more than most of us.I did watch it again. He's still wrong though. In DF's interview, Insomniac's Mike F. said they're filling up all the available memory for each level (which I assume to be around 10-13GB) as Ratchet jumps from one section to another in quick succession.
If you were to do this on PS4, you'd fill 5-6GB of data for each level. At HDD's speed, this wouldn't be instantaneous as it is on PS5 (~2 seconds), you would have a long 20+ seconds of load time (even with background loading) each time for a new section to appear when Ratchet goes from rift to rift.
The simple fact that we went from 30+ seconds load time w/ HDD on PS4 to 2 secs w/ SSD on PS5 in Spider-Man games should tell you that his theory isn't true... This isn't just Insomniac's game loading in 2 seconds, there are countless other native PS5 apps that went from double-digit load time to single digit. Here's final fantasy:
If you're going to say some Lego developer knows more about Insomniac's game than Insomniac themselves then you're going to have to explain to me why PS4 doesn't load Spider-Man in 2 seconds w/ HDD like the PS5 does, if SSD isn't needed.
Which is loading of the levels in quick succession by entirely unloading one world from the memory and then another world is pulled in from the SSD from scratch. This isn't just SSD at work, it's a combination of SSD + dedicated HW Kraken decompression unit that allows them to achieve these near-instant loading of the levels. Jon Burton is just making assumptions without proof. And we have proofs directly from the makers of the game...
Why are we ignoring the actual dev's tweet and taking the word of some dev who has had no hand in the development of R&C as some gospel? Please explain.
Because you have misunderstood from the beginning. Go back and read again. Or don't. Couldn't care either way.
Considering a 4 GB/s SSD is being stressed and performing slower, it means that the data requirements are for more than 4 GB/s.
Yes, that's the point of this entire current-gen tech.
Optimise better?
I'm just asking them to spin the camera in a circle with Max sensitivity.
DF John: You're designing these levels where you're switching between dimensions mid-stage, what roughly are we looking at in terms of data size of a typical stage, let's say Blizar Prime, you have both the outer space version and then you have sort of the lived in version, how does that compare?
Have you seen any of his videos? He did amazing programming on the PS2 and Sega Saturn dude some of the most hard to code consoles....
The entire stage is not needed immediately after every Rift. Just what you can see at that moment. You have plenty of time to load the rest of it. I'm not arguing how Insomniac does it. I'm arguing like this video, that it's the only way to do it
With rifts plastered all over literally every trailer and Twitter post I don't think it's unfair to assume that they are going to factor into the gameplay in a huge and game-changing way. The reality is that they are just a fancy tech demo. The Blizon levels were so frustrating to me as you could see that they could have used them creatively to have some neat puzzles but 95% of the puzzles were find the next crystal and hit it. There were also so few Blizon Crystals in the game (there is a trophy for hitting all 30) that you could have used a fade to black load screen and it wouldn't have broken the game.
