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Indonesia executed 6 drug convicts in death row (5 foreigner)

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fertygo

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In about 2 day..

EDIT : I messed up, the execution is tomorrow.

EDIT 2: The procedure is done.
CNN)Six people, including five foreigners, face execution by firing squad in coming days in Indonesia, as the country's new president upholds a hard line on drug offenders.

The executions were announced Thursday by Indonesia's recently appointed Attorney General HM Prasetyo, who said in a statement that preparations for the executions were almost complete.

He said the executions had been scheduled after petitions for clemency to Indonesian President Joko Widodo were rejected late last month. Widodo had previously told a university audience he planned to reject the 64 appeals for clemency he had received from drug offenders on death row.

The four men and two women to be executed hailed from Brazil, Malawi, Nigeria, the Netherlands, Vietnam and Indonesia, said Prasetyo.

Among them is Brazilian Marco Archer Cardoso Moreira, 53, who would be the first of his countrymen ever to be legally executed abroad, said Leonardo Monteiro, counselor at the Embassy of Brazil in Jakarta.

"The embassy of Brazil is doing its best to try to postpone the execution," he told CNN, saying it was scheduled for this weekend.

"We are trying everything we can through the proper channels."

Brazil does not have the death penalty on its books, he said.

The condemned man had been in jail since 2003, after having been caught at Jakarta airport with 13 kilograms of cocaine, he said.

Sentenced to death in 2004, he lodged a petition for clemency in 2010, according to a statement from the Attorney General's office.

The government of the Netherlands is also protesting the planned execution of Indonesian-born Dutch citizen Ang Kiem Soei, who was condemned to death in 2003 for drug trafficking.

"The Netherlands resolutely condemns the planned execution," Friso Wijnen, spokesman for the Foreign Affairs Ministry of the Netherlands, told CNN, adding that his government was making "every effort to the highest level" to prevent it.

Also sentenced to death and facing likely execution this year are the two Australian ringleaders of the so-called "Bali Nine" ring, arrested in 2005 with more than 8 kg of heroin.

Human rights groups have slammed the executions, calling for them to be stopped.

"Tackling rising crime rates is a legitimate goal of President Widodo's administration, but the death penalty is not the answer and does not work as a deterrent to crime," said Rupert Abbott, Amnesty International's research director for Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

Phelim Kine, deputy director of Human Rights Watch's Asia division, accused Indonesia of double standards in lobbying to prevent the execution of its nationals overseas, but refusing requests by the Brazilian government to extradite Moreira to serve out his sentence in his home country.

Indonesia, which has extremely strict drug laws, carries out executions by firing squad.

The country resumed executions in 2013 after a four year break, but no executions were carried out in 2014.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/16/world/indonesia-drug-executions/

Not just that, the new pres said he planning to sped up the process from now.
 

Rembrandt

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God, that's so fucked up. I'm guessing by the weight that it was trafficking, but still, that's such a ridiculous thing to do over some fucking drugs.
 
Every time I think of Indonesia, I just think back to how Deep Purple Mk4 not only had their manager murdered there, but also got swindled out of money and forced to play another show at gunpoint.

Bassist/second vocalist Glenn Hughes got tried for the crime, but a stripper came forward with evidence that he couldn't have done it.

crazy place, depressing to think that Glenn Hughes could have died there back in 1975.
 

King_Moc

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God, that's so fucked up. I'm guessing by the weight that it was trafficking, but still, that's such a ridiculous thing to do over some fucking drugs.

Yeah, but heroin in particular is a life ruiner. There's also the shit that happens to the people involved in farming the stuff. I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but let's not pretend it's not a serious crime.
 

Rembrandt

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Yeah, but heroin in particular is a life ruiner. There's also the shit that happens to the people involved in farming the stuff. I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but let's not pretend it's not a serious crime.

It definitely is, but not one that warrants the death penalty. It's probably better than whatever prison they would have been sent to, but yeah, the drug trade is a heinous industry for pretty much everyone involved.
 
Are there studies if the harsh sentences actually work in reducing drug trafficking / substance abuse?

At least it sounds like it would be a better deterrence for it than for e.g. committing murder (which often has emotional reasons behind it etc.).
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Every time I think of Indonesia, I just think back to how Deep Purple Mk4 not only had their manager murdered there, but also got swindled out of money and forced to play another show at gunpoint.

Bassist/second vocalist Glenn Hughes got tried for the crime, but a stripper came forward with evidence that he couldn't have done it.

crazy place, depressing to think that Glenn Hughes could have died there back in 1975.

I think of that movie The Act of Killing. I have some close Indonesian friends and I was quite surprised to learn that their country's government is based upon some really bizarre military thuggery.

I have a degree in Asian history and yet I hardly learned any details at all about the country's history... that's on my agenda.

Meanwhile my friends just live in Jakarta and chat on their iPads in Starbucks... it's a weird world.
 

Hexa

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Fuck drug traffickers.
 

King_Moc

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It definitely is, but not one that warrants the death penalty. It's probably better than whatever prison they would have been sent to, but yeah, the drug trade is a heinous industry for pretty much everyone involved.

I don't really get why they can't arrange for them to do a sentence in their own country and ban them from ever going to Indonesia. The death sentence is just revenge porn in cases like this.
 

kmax

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Yeah, while I'd never touch them in the first place, I'd never want to be caught with drugs in places like Indonesia or Singapore.

That's a death sentence.
 

markot

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Are there studies if the harsh sentences actually work in reducing drug trafficking / substance abuse?

At least it sounds like it would be a better deterrence for it than for e.g. committing murder (which often has emotional reasons behind it etc.).

No. They dont deter.
 

womfalcs3

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God, that's so fucked up. I'm guessing by the weight that it was trafficking, but still, that's such a ridiculous thing to do over some fucking drugs.

Not really. Drug traffickers aim to profit from the destruction of society. Convicted traffickers deserve death.
 
Places like Indonesia are infamous for their treatment of drug traffickers, these people must have known the risk. If it was just marijuana I'd have sympathy but heroin, really?
 
Not a country you want to pull that kind of shit in.

Terrible, but i guess they knew the risk involved. Hopefully they weren't forced into trafficing.
 

Rembrandt

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I don't really get why they can't arrange for them to do a sentence in their own country and ban them from ever going to Indonesia. The death sentence is just revenge porn in cases like this.

That would be the ideal thing and it makes much more sense. I'm guessing the drugs are cheaper there and they use it as a deterrent so more won't come, but I don't think that's really helpful. Like you said, it just seems petty. I wonder what's the smallest amount you can caught with and face the death penalty.

Not really. Drug traffickers aim to profit from the destruction of society. Convicted traffickers deserve death.

Yeah, okay.
 

markot

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+1

Only problem is the long jail time, a month is long enough to write a will.

And screw those innocent people that are bound to be executed too.

And those that are coerced into drug trafficking.

And those that are doing it out of absolute desperation.

... etc...
 

Marvel

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How is a firing squad execution handled? is it one shot to the head so that the prisoner does not suffer too much or do they just spray? :(

This is wrong.
 

Rembrandt

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How is a firing squad execution handled? is it one shot to the head so that the prisoner does not suffer too much or do they just spray? :(

This is wrong.

Iirc, they take the person outside, put a bag over their head, line up the people doing the killing and they all fire. I think they're all blanks besides one so nobody knows who kills him. That's for America, though. They might just take dude outside and all fire on him.


Edit: damn, only one is a blank? that makes more sense, though.
 

markot

Banned
How is a firing squad execution handled? is it one shot to the head so that the prisoner does not suffer too much or do they just spray? :(

This is wrong.

Well its a squad. several men with rifles. One has a blank. (Thats the 'traditional' method)
 

Kiraly

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How is a firing squad execution handled? is it one shot to the head so that the prisoner does not suffer too much or do they just spray? :(

This is wrong.

Probably something like 10 soldiers line up and shoot at the same time. 9 of them are actually loaded, one of them has a pellet so as to not strain the mental thoughts of the soldiers too much. Reckon instant death occurs almost immediately for the prisoner.

Iirc, they take the person outside, put a bag over their head, line up the people doing the killing and they all fire. I think they're all blanks besides one so nobody knows who kills him. That's for America, though. They might just take dude outside and all fire on him.

One bullet would not be enough to kill instantly, this is a common misconception. Instead all but one gun are loaded.
 

SmartBase

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Can't really feel sorry for the foreigners, the country makes it pretty damn obvious what the consequences of trafficking are.
 

coleco

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Iirc, they take the person outside, put a bag over their head, line up the people doing the killing and they all fire. I think they're all blanks besides one so nobody knows who kills him. That's for America, though. They might just take dude outside and all fire on him.

I thought they used blanks only in one weapon.
 

The M.O.B

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Islamic countries don't fuck around with drug possession. It's time they abandon the death penalty and decriminalize drugs.

These two things don't go hand in hand at all.

But Indonesia has a billion other problems on it's path to becoming a developed country.

Spent 3 weeks in the heart of the country and never felt worried for my life, pressured by the police, or oppressed in any way.(Higher prices for "tourists" is some BS though). But if you break their rules? Yeah if you know what is coming then shame on you for going through with it anyways.
 

Rich!

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Fuck drug traffickers.

What the fuck.

You do realize that the actual drug barons and high level criminals are not the ones being executed here? Instead its likely some poor assholes who were forced to do the trafficking for them out of coercion or desperation.

But of course, DRUGS BAD! MUST DIE!!

We can point and jeer at the insane death threats radicals in Pakistan make due to the cartoons, yet here in this very thread we have people with the same kind of misguided bloodlust who have no further information on the condemmed other than what indonesia have told us. It's sad, depressing and makes me ashamed to be associated with such grotesque posts.

Yes, I have strong feelings about all this.
 

pottuvoi

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And screw those innocent people that are bound to be executed too.

And those that are coerced into drug trafficking.

And those that are doing it out of absolute desperation.

... etc...
So fix the actual problem?
When druglords or corrupt officals are no longer a problem, perhaps country can lift the death penalty as well.
 

coleco

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I don't know why they even use firing squads anymore. They could just put a rifle on a tripod and use some automatic system to kill the victim. Or maybe simply don't kill him.
 
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