So much for the argument that the death penalty is deterrent.
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Indonesia executed 6 drug convicts in death row (5 foreigner)
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So much for the argument that the death penalty is deterrent.
pel1300
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Okay so just because the traffickers were "aware" of the law..that makes it any less ridiculous?
Give me a break. By that logic, any country could create any draconian law and hide behind the excuse of "the people knew the risks".
If the same thing happened in the US, there would be an uproar.
The Incarnation
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A lack of empathy, and a limited imagination can cause a blind spot in some people.
So naturally you won't see a problem.
Just because it's a 'rule', you're okay with murder? It's kind of weird to me, I assume that you're not okay with people in general murdering one another? How come you're suddenly okay with it when they're doing it because it's prescribed? Personally, I don't adhere any sort of mythical value to any ruleset. For me, it's no different than if a random serial killer had a rule that all of the victims broke. Don't give a shit, unless unavoidable, murder is wrong.
They just closed up the biggest prostitution ring in Asia although god knows how effective is that.
Semantics, killing is absolutely wrong in my opinion. People who defend killings that are completely avoidable and unnecessary are not okay in my book. Invoking the law doesn't change the morality of the situation. Killing because of the law of the country, killing because of your personal reasons, not much difference.
What a bizarre black and white world some of you guys must live in to defend the death penalty.
Justice shouldn't be about revenge, nor should any man have the right to deprive another man of his life.
Also Amnesty International stated 'As long as human justice remains fallible, the risk of executing the innocent can never be eliminated'.
And its damn true.
Justice shouldn't be about revenge, nor should any man have the right to deprive another man of his life.
Also Amnesty International stated 'As long as human justice remains fallible, the risk of executing the innocent can never be eliminated'.
And its damn true.
Mohonky
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When my family lived in Brunei, one of our family friends who was also working there liked bit of a smoke here and there but obviously while in Brunei you wouldnt dare go round looking for it etc. Anyway, his girlfriend came over from Aus for a holiday and to see him. When she arrived she had baked him some weed cookies which she basically just carried in her luggage for the whole trip over; which meant stop overs in Singapore as well (they also have a love affair with drug offences).
My parents were like wtf are you seriously crazy? You do know what the penalty is? She was like yeh but it was all good.
Even now I cannot het my head around the fact she was so callous about the whole thing.
Kenshin001
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Yeah, basically they chose poorly. Don't think they should get the death penalty either but I find it hard to believe they didn't know the risks. Sometimes it just boils down to people do dumb things.
Ingueferroque
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Wow, that is crazy.
The problem am not seeing is, I'm not for it for them to be executed, am also not against it either.
The fact that they were in contact with people who sell drugs says that they're not that innocent. And even if they were coerced they could have gone to the authorities. Like I said, they chose to do that and were lead to this moment as a consequence of their lifestyle.
That doesn't excuse them. A lot of killers are people with mental disorders, that doesn't mean we forgive them for their crimes.
I'm not saying that they should have been killed, but looking at them like innocent victims is wrong.
Ingueferroque
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Even the guy with dutch citizenship? Bullshit.
And drug traficking is not non-lethal.
They're not hurting anyone by trafficking drugs?
God Dayumm
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But that is exactly why they should not execute the dutch guy. His is probably clean money that does not enrich drug cartels.
Fuck drug traffickers.
Yep. Well done by Indonesia.
But the law does excuse the executioners (and everyone else upholding it)? If so, what is your reason for making this distinction?
psycopath.
New Order Regime is definitely the worst of Indonesia.
What the fuck
Indonesia do have the largest muslim population in the world but it is NOT an Islamic countries. Not by any mean. You can go the countryside and see people got their head drunk without any punishment. Why? Because the law is fucking secular.
As to people who wondered why this "barbaric" punishment is still hold practice, the reason is that our narcotic law enforcement is heavily tied to numerous context. Historically, Indonesia since 1970 have a lax drug-trafficking law enforcement because the New Order Regime never sees it as a problem (but of course since many of the regime shadow organisation are heavily involved in drug trafficking). It was until the Monetary Crisis of 1997 where suddenly drug-trafficking bomb explode. Drug overdose are everywhere. Many young men, especially high school student and college student which the latter at that hold in high regard for middle class family, died with foam frothing from their mouth. Families become wrecked as many of these drug addict stole and sell everything they can for more drugs. Society panicked as people life destroyed not only from the outside due to economy crisis but also from the inside. The sight of young, educated men, which in our society regarded as the beacon of the future, died from addiction. turn drug addictions into a 'demon' alongside the dying New Order Regime, especially at the late 1990's.
About most drug trafficker being forced into the situation, oh that can;t hold true for the situation that day. Most drug trafficker are filthy rich people who suck blood from people who already in misery and many of them are tied to the New Order Regime. The words "Bandar Narkoba" or drug trafficker is easily become of the vilest occupation that a person can do for a living, even until now. I know, things are different today. Most of these drug traffickers on death rows looks like miserable people who forced to do it and in no way similar to 1990's drug trafficker. But to change the law on death penalty is hard since drug trafficking phenomena is one of the most recent socio-historical event that happened and heavily influenced the society as a whole. The majority still support death penalty for drug traffickers and it doesn't seem to change much for some years to come.
I wonder if they does planning doing more execution and shorten Jail process (the president said as much for drug convict penalty) they would pressed up to change the method, only hang punishment in arab country that sound worse tbh.
Its needed an change in the law itself, and one reason that they couldn't bothered to do so.. because they actually not held execution that often.
Its needed an change in the law itself, and one reason that they couldn't bothered to do so.. because they actually not held execution that often.
Trickster
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Do you stand by that even if they were forced to be drug traffickers?
Execution by firing squad seems cruel, as does hanging. If done properly, they're both cleaner processes than the lethal injection. Lethal injection looks clean because the first injection paralyzes the guy, the others start shutting down organ by organ while the guy is alive in his own body.
Yaphett Kotto
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I never once said they were innocent.
I'm saying that a draconian punishment for trafficking drugs is bullshit when these people hardly had a choice.
So someone with a well paying job with no major financial issues decides, out of the blue, to go make a living by moving shipments of hard white. C'mon dude.
And yes, drug trafficking is non-lethal. When you commit that crime, during what time are you actively hurting someone? You don't have to harm or kill to do drug trafficking.
See above.
Herbspiceguy
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South east asian countries have been executing caught drug traffickers for decades now. How is this news?
Alligatorjandro
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Does Indonesia have the death penalty for other crimes?
So apparently, I making more mistake.. the execution is just about hours from now, held at midnight of Indonesian time.
Planned killing and terrorism.
Planned killing and terrorism.
Fenderputty
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There's a lot of insane people in this thread.
Pankratous
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Fenderputty
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The list keeps growing :/
Someone raping my daughter should be killed not having 10 years in prison.
Someone killing my mother should be killed not get 15 to 30 years.
How would you feel if you saw the raper of your child walking free next to you?
Death penalty is one of the few things that makes me feel there is still justice in our world.
There's a problem here. You should never have a say in how people that have committed a crime against you and your friends/family get punished.
Fenderputty
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The argument for individual blood lust and revenge is just as shitty as whatever the the fuck reasons someone thinks pushing drugs is cause for death too.
What you are saying goes against the entire point of why the judicial system is set up as it is. Or more accurately proves why it is as it is, especially here in the UK.
There is no death penalty here, and thank fuck for that.
Then who should have a say? The father of the raper?
The judge and jury.
Absolutely certainly not anyone personally involved with the case, as your example of bloodlust proves.
Wtf is wrong with you? Just because i think no one biased should have a say and it should be done to the letter of the law, you assume I want a good deal for the rapist?
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Fuck drug traffickers.
Ok with death of petty drug trafficking victims who are dying for probably trying to feed their families..
Disgusting post.
I'm sorry if I will come cold hearted but knowing the killer of my son is dead is better than knowing that he is going to spend sometime in prison and then be set free to walk next to me, yes a death penalty is not right to everything, but a no death penalty is not right to me either.
just how did they not have a choice? People keep saying this like they know the people about to be executed.
Shouldn't have had children if they couldn't afford to raise them.
You can feel that way, but thankfully the decision would not be up to you to make.
And that is the way it should stay. We no longer live in medieval times, especially when the majority of the modern world no longer carry out the death penalty at all.
Valkerionseven
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Meh it always seems weird how draconian drug laws are in Asia, especially against foreigners. They seem to revel in it almost if they catch a white person with drugs in their country and get to parade them (the drugs) on tv to show how good a job they are doing to stamp out stuff coming into the country.
That said, if its well known drugs = death penalty in certain countries... why bother bringing them. I know it can be more complicated than that, IE not knowing they were there sometimes, or even being forced to but for all the smaller offenders... kinda have no sympathy.
That said, if its well known drugs = death penalty in certain countries... why bother bringing them. I know it can be more complicated than that, IE not knowing they were there sometimes, or even being forced to but for all the smaller offenders... kinda have no sympathy.
I think execution is barbaric, but I haven't any sympathy for (hard) drug traffickers. Should they do hard time instead? I think so, but I wouldn't waste time fighting for them.
Note: this is about hard drugs like heroin, not marijuana. Also, these are not simply drug users - these are traffickers and with traffickers comes violence and destruction.
Note: this is about hard drugs like heroin, not marijuana. Also, these are not simply drug users - these are traffickers and with traffickers comes violence and destruction.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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What the fuck? I can't...
I didn't know having kids means that you start off poor and sell drugs just to make a living. Maybe, just maybe they had money, and desperate times called for desperate measures. Maybe someone in the family is sick and they don't have the money to pay. There are so many reasons as to why people sell drugs and they are never because they want to.
This is like the most ignorant post ever.
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For real.
But who's to say they didn't already have a job but got greedy and wanted to make more?
That's okay, that's why noone is going to make you judge.
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