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Indonesia executed 6 drug convicts in death row (5 foreigner)
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DontBeThatGuy
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Sound argument right there.
Kiraly
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I have no problem with Uganda executing gays. Their country, their law.
This argument can't be serious.
What?
How does killing the mules stop this?
Its like killing one ant and pretending that will stop the entire colony.
Its not the corrupt officials and drug lords being killed. For every drug mule thats caught, 99 others slip through. they dont give a shit about the odd dead dealer or mule. They factor it into their costs.
So when Iran executes gay people is that your response as well?
Eh I'm OK with murderers, drug barons, terrorists, pedo and rapists being put down. They've forfeit their freedom to live in regions of the world that clearly state capital punishment for those crimes. Ask the victims or families of victims and I think they'll agree.
DontBeThatGuy
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Bloodlust.
And the innocent victims of imperfect justice systems?*
(all justice systems ever)
They forfeit their freedom. They do not forfeit their lives. Nor should we seek to give anyone the power over life and death.
Oh. And the urge for revenge does not actually lead to more satisfied humans http://psychcentral.com/news/2014/0...do-little-to-heal-victims-families/64973.html (As if it needed telling? The temporary feeling of 'satisfaction'? at the carrying out of the death penalty does not do a thing to help them move on from the impact of that crime.
Fuck drug traffickers.
Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with you?
Yeah, let's compare gay people to drug traffickers.
If they did Indonesia wouldn't be executing foreign drug traffickers all the time
DontBeThatGuy
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Their country, their law.
Kenshin001
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I don't know about this lot but the Bali Nine were friends and co-workers. Most of them worked at a catering company. They had made a successful drug run before and were going to be paid $10-15,000 to deliver the heroin. A few of them had multiple prior convictions. A couple of them did claim their families were threatened but no evidence was found and it seemed they did it willingly.
It was your argument not mine.
Why don't you think before making an argument then maybe you won't look like a fool.
Supposedly the drug transaction is higher than ever at indonesia right now.
Randomizer
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Bunch of sociopaths in here.
mariachi507
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You didn't list drug traffickers, killing these people are not a solution. Do they deserve incarceration? Absolutely. In this case though, the penalty does not match the crime. As for your last statement, drugs have impacted my families life more than I care to admit. As a victim who on multiple occasions has faced the horrors of what drug abuse and addiction lead to, I do not agree.
Winterfang
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I'm pretty sure Indonesia is globally known for being harsh again drug dealing, especially international. So those guys had huge balls trying to deal in the country.
Say what you want about the fucking poms, but at least when they start a drug war, the side with the drugs.
though for real, that shit was fucking shameful.
highrider
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Pretty much. When you inflate the value, you encourage criminal enterprise. And drug mules are low level, often forced. But yeah, kill them, drugs bad, derp..
Kiraly
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They don't deal, they transport the drugs. Often for a tiny fraction of what the street price of the drugs will net.
HappyBivouac
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Fuck drug traffickers.
You actually might be a legitimately Bad Person.
It was a choice they made.
HappyBivouac
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Plenty of victims' families have spoken and continue to speak out against capital punishment. Stop trying to talk about your bloodlust as if it's only normal and to be expected when it's not.
Angelus Errare
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Man some of you are...scary people. Jesus christ.
Possibly not of their own choice. Coercion and desperation do happen.
But no lets kill them anyway lol
Yaphett Kotto
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You try being poor as fuck with no room for climbing up the ladder and see how long it takes for you to find other means.
You guys rooting for a death penalty for a non-violent, non-lethal crime have problems.
Executing people is also a choice...
Hoya Destroyer
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So they gambled their lives (and lost) for only 15k? What a terrible mistake.
Australian government welfare should also stop them from saying something like they had to smuggle the drugs, or they'd starve on the street etc. I suspect they were just greedy, overconfident and wanted to make some quick money.
Even though drug smuggling is a very serious crime, I dont think these guys deserve the death penalty for it. Its hard to imagine the stress and fear they would be experiencing right now.
I think capital punishment should be reserved only for terrorists and serial killers.
CadetMahoney
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My theory is that these punishments are harsh to put off any attempt by foreign countries to inundate the country with drugs like what the British did to the Chinese back in the day
"A western conspiracy to destroy China with drugs and gunboats. In Britain the wars barely seem to register in public memory."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/j...cameron-in-china-dont-mention-the-opium-wars/
The thing about the death penalty is that it also takes care of corrupt police/politicians who may be interested.
LilWayneSuckz
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Because executing someone because they helped move drugs is morally wrong?
They haven't killed anyone.
People saying they deserve death sound cruel, especially when they don't know the circumstances of how they ended up in drug trafficking
Some.
Because you're defending murder.
Yaphett Kotto
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You aren't even hurting anyone with the crime. Why would you execute someone, who was in desperate times, for just trafficking drugs?
Vigilant Walrus
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It is weird because Indonesia is one of the places where Psilocybin mushrooms are legal. A psychedelic mushroom, they unfortunately are illegal almost anywhere which is a shame. You can't overdose on them and they are not unsafe like many other drugs.
But they are immensely powerful, and I've heard you just buy them mixed with Fanta around Bali and all over Indonesia.
To have a country that has such a progressive view on psychedelics, yet have these extreme sentences for drug trafficking.
But they are immensely powerful, and I've heard you just buy them mixed with Fanta around Bali and all over Indonesia.
To have a country that has such a progressive view on psychedelics, yet have these extreme sentences for drug trafficking.
antisoulless
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Most likely.
I looked that up, but I think it was the manager that was accused of murder after a roadie/bodyguard fell down an elevator shaft.
The Incarnation
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Yeah, 13 nations have the death penalty for Atheism.
But yes, their country, their law.
pel1300
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last time I checked, killing people was barbaric.
hmmm, just like Singapore and other Asian countries, they don't mess with drug traffickers. They had their laws in place, the drug traffickers knew this and yet went ahead, got caught and now will face the law.
I don't see what the problem is?
Unless they were forced into it?
The head of narcotic crime at Indonesia actually said these mushroom user/dealer can be arrested.. and I don't think its pretty widely open available either.
Snkfanatic
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Fuck drug traffickers.
Wow....
Mohonky
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I'm less shocked by the fact Indonesia still has the death penalty for drug trafficking and more shocked people are still trafficking drugs through Indonesia.
Australians are in the news for this shit all the time and I cant get my head around it. Indonesia is a popular place for Australians to go on holiday so its pretty well known that drugs + Indonesia = death penalty. Yet somehow, it still happens year after year. Schapelle Corby and the Bali Nine were probably the biggest cases in recent years but it still happens and the Aus government has to go on damage control and start demanding they not execute our citizens. It 'usually' works and they get life imprisonment instead.
I dont believe anyone should be executed for drug possession but its not exactly like its a big secret that drugs will land you in the worst kind of shit possible in the area either so I cant fathom what goes through someones head to go along with it.
Australians are in the news for this shit all the time and I cant get my head around it. Indonesia is a popular place for Australians to go on holiday so its pretty well known that drugs + Indonesia = death penalty. Yet somehow, it still happens year after year. Schapelle Corby and the Bali Nine were probably the biggest cases in recent years but it still happens and the Aus government has to go on damage control and start demanding they not execute our citizens. It 'usually' works and they get life imprisonment instead.
I dont believe anyone should be executed for drug possession but its not exactly like its a big secret that drugs will land you in the worst kind of shit possible in the area either so I cant fathom what goes through someones head to go along with it.
The Incarnation
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Because it's a true statement..
And 95% of the time it's not even said in anger, which makes it all that much worse.
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