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[mdkirby]

And yet I would have bought 1313 day 1 from the snippets we saw of that prior to its cancellation. Yet from what I saw of outlaws my opinion was "meh, looks meh, I might play it when it's free"….funny that.

 

[Brakum]

By the brand you mean Star Wars?? They do realize it is like right after Pokemon in popularity and revenue right?

And it doesnt even matter. Good games will sell. Otherwise new IPs wouldnt sell.

I guesd the avengers game flopped because marvel wasnt that popular at the time and now marvel rivals was lucky because marvel is at peak popularity /s

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Was?

lol

 

[CityHunter1981]

I can get still behind the idea, that they want me to play a woman. But why do I have to play the woman who still sits at 5am in a 70s/80s disco because no one was drunk enough to make a move on her.

 

[Durin]

The brand does is indeed less popular, but they made a boring mediocre product that had performance issues and basic AI stealth problems at launch.

Each time before the release of their games though, they hype up how incredible and innovative they are...only to release the most re-fried slop that absolutely plays into their open-world formula each time.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

It's just not that great of a game, honestly. It's average. It's not bad, but it's nothing spectacular.

 

[Dr. Wilkinson]

Ubisoft has fallen on some hard times. Ugh. They were so good like 15 years ago.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

He's absolutely right. In the past, the Star Wars brand would have absolutely carried a mediocre game like this. Turns out when the brand has fallen out of favor, it's actually a negative drag on the product - so the game needs to be even better to get traction. The game still wouldn't have been good, but it would have had the Star Wars label - and that would have been enough.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

At the very least they should have let you pick between a male or female protagonist. You know like how they did for Odyssey, Valhalla, the last Farcry 6, and recently Avatar. I don't think most people even knew you had that choice with Avatar given the advertising for it.

Seeing how France has 'evolved' I understand why they did what they did (Ubisoft)

 

[coffinbirth]

The game just got stale after awhile. The bugs got mostly sorted, the game isnt bad just repetitive.

You just described Ubisoft games in general.

 

[Paasei]

And I think it failed because it just wasn't that good of a game.

Environments look very pretty, but that's all there is to say.

 

[IAmRei]

If they made Star Wars 1313 and didn't fuck it up, it would have sold well. The brand isn't dead, it's just giving people shit they don't want.

ugh, i really wish so, lotta people I know wish that 1313 were not closed

 

[MonkD]

These people are willing to lose billions tanking the companies they work for in the pursuit of their ideologies.

I honestly don't see it as ideology. They are looking to maximize sales by targeting women and hbtq people. But they never expect that they'll lose their original audience. They want to keep the cake and eat it too.

 

[bighugeguns]

Throwing Disney under the bus wasn't a smart move.

 

[TVexperto]

It's just not that great of a game, honestly. It's average. It's not bad, but it's nothing spectacular.

The only good thing about is the level design they really captured the original star wars aesthetic very well

 

[Madserb2023]

It

I honestly don't see it as ideology. They are looking to maximize sales by targeting women and hbtq people. But they never expect that they'll lose their original audience. They want to keep the cake and eat it too.

It is an ideology because your reasoning implies stupidity and you don't create these massive companies in the first place by being stupid. It's like turning a well known steak house into a vegan restaurant expecting to keep your old customers.

 

[Punished Miku]

Throwing Disney under the bus wasn't a smart move.

Well it's true. They pay a huge amount to use this IP and it's certainly not helping them any. If this was some generic new sci-fi game I honestly wonder if it would have sold better.

 

[CliffBronger]

Turning the good looking Key Vess actress into the female equivalent of Quintin Tarantino didn't help.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I honestly don't see it as ideology. They are looking to maximize sales by targeting women and hbtq people. But they never expect that they'll lose their original audience. They want to keep the cake and eat it too.

The people with the ideologies convince the money minded people at the top of the company to sign off on this stuff. The whole debacle with Sweet Baby Inc who have friends and associates in these companies that get them hired, to add their input, is an example of this.

 

[proandrad]

Bad games are also not popular.

 

[CGNoire]

Outlaws can be fun(post-update) but I'd rather they revisited Star Wars Lethal Alliance. Which Ubisoft made for the NDS/PSP. Which was also a bit uninspired and played like a Third Person Shooter with light Tomb Raider platforming with arguably poor level design.

Still think the best Smuggler/Mercenary run and gun Star Wars is still Shadows of the Empire. Hard to top that one.

I want a NextGen Dash game ao fucking bad.

 

[Kacho]

What the game needed was more female Storm Troopers.

 

[Randall365]

Bit weird that Fallen Order was a hit then in 2020 - right after those three stinkers in the cinema!

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

If that game was a Han Solo smuggler adventures type game it would've sold like hotcakes.

 

[Fake]

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I honestly don't see it as ideology. They are looking to maximize sales by targeting women and hbtq people. But they never expect that they'll lose their original audience. They want to keep the cake and eat it too.

You can't be this disingenous.

Kathleen Kennedy herself expressed their strategy of ALIENATING the old fan base in pursuit of "modern audiences". On top of that, the new trilogy is plagued by all sorts of woke nonsense and stupid narrative decisions that destroy the plot as well as ruining the legacy characters (which was a purposeful decision based solely on ideology)

The top execs being stupid enough to believe this strategy would pay off is one thing, but, at the creator's level, SW was 100% ruined by ideology, this is not even arguable.