Silver Wattle
Gold Member
Wccftech is one of those sites that posts "huge IPC gains!!!" For every new generation.
Will wait for anandtech.
Will wait for anandtech.
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Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU "Destroys" AMD Ryzen 9 5950X In Single-Core & Mult-Threaded Benchmark Leak
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
AMD is officially finished. They will have nothing to counter this. The 5000 series are their last CPUs they will ever be releasing. They're just gonna roll over and let Intel regain everything.
sarcasm alert
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Haggard
Banned
~145-150w for the 5900x as far as I remember from the reviews.
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Well that one says it's specifically running a test called AIDA64 which runs hot. Not sure what those chips would get to running that test.
I think I'm in the same boat. Running a 3800xt (it was cheap) on a 3070 and I can run everything at 1440p no problem and I'll probably upgrade in 3-4 years when hopefully video cards and DDR5 is normal price.(Hopefully new chip factories will open up in other countries.)
Haggard
Banned
AIDA64 with everything turned on is pretty much the standard stability test and nothing extraordinary. Power consumption for the non OC 5900x is still around the 150w mark during stress testing.
If Alder Lake indeed goes far beyond the 200w mark and into the 90°C range it better be leaps and bounds above the Ryzens performance.
edit (actually it`s even less)
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Insane Metal
Member
Absolutely ridiculous, and considering they have 8P (performance) cores and 8e ("efficient") cores this makes no sense to me. I mean, the 5950X is current gen and doesn't even get to 200W according to the chart above.
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Armorian
Banned
Maybe its easier/cheaper to make 8 advanced cores instead of 12 on monolithic die.... They still don't use chiplets dont they?
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I do have to wonder if piss poor GPU availability will negatively affect sales of Alder Lake.
Kenpachii
Member
Probably, no point in upgrading a CPU when u are GPU bottlenecked.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
Last Intel CPUs all showed these same strong results before launch.
This CPU will probably beat the current Zen 3, but at what coast? Despite the "little cores" it looks like it uses even more power than before, a few percent faster is really worth the +100W? (that will demand more expensive boards and PSU?)
This CPU will probably beat the current Zen 3, but at what coast? Despite the "little cores" it looks like it uses even more power than before, a few percent faster is really worth the +100W? (that will demand more expensive boards and PSU?)
ResilientBanana
Member
I mean, every year new GPUs come out, how would this be a deal breaker?
Kenpachii
Member
People that don't sit on 4k but lower resolutions aka practically everybody will be cpu bottlenecked before gpu sooner rather then later which will result in people not upgrading. There is no point in upgrading your GPU when u sit at 80% gpu usage on a game already. Now we can see next gen games that push performance down the drain on the GPU department again but currently the only thing we got that pushes gpu's down the brink is 4k and Raytracing and with raytracing cpu's get also heavily nuked, so it doesn't help either.
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tusharngf
Member
Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake 35W Desktop CPU Lineup Leaks Out - Core i9 With 16, Core i7 With 12, Core i5 With 6 & Core i3 With 4 Cores (wccftech.com)
- i9-12900T 16 (8+8) 24T 30MB L3 up to 4.9GHz UHD Graphics 770
- i7-12700T 12 (8+4) 20T 25MB L3 up to 4.7GHz UHD Graphics 770
- i5-12600T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.6GHz UHD Graphics 770
- i5-12500T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.4GHz UHD Graphics 770
- i5-12400T 6 (6+0) 12T 18MB L3 up to 4.2GHz UHD Graphics 730
- i3-12300T 4 (4+0) 8T 12MB L3 up to 4.2GHz UHD Graphics 730
- i3-12100T 4 (4+0) 8T 12MB L3 up to 4.1GHz UHD Graphics 730
Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake Desktop CPU Specs "Rumored"
| CPU Name | P-Core Count | E-Core Count | Total Core / Thread | P-Core Base / Boost (Max) | P-Core Boost (All-Core) | E-Core Base / Boost | E-Core Boost (All-Core) | Cache | TDP (PL1) | TDP (PL2) | Expected (MSRP) Price |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Intel Core i9-12900K | 8 | 8 | 16 / 24 | 3.2 / 5.3 GHz | 5.0 GHz (All Core) | TBA / 3.9 GHz | 3.7 GHz (All Core) | 30 MB | 125W | 228W | $599 US |
| Core i9-12900 | 8 | 8 | 16 / 24 | 3.2 / 5.2 GHz | 4.9 GHz (All Core) | TBA | TBA | 30 MB | 65W | ~200W | $509 US |
| Core i9-12900T | 8 | 8 | 16 / 24 | TBA / 4.9 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 30 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA |
| Intel Core i7-12700K | 8 | 4 | 12 / 20 | 3.6 / 5.0 GHz | 4.7 GHz (All Core) | TBA / 3.8 GHz | 3.6 GHz (All Core) | 25 MB | 125W | 228W | $429 US |
| Core i7-12700 | 8 | 4 | 12 / 20 | 3.6 / 4.9 GHz | 4.6 GHz (All Core) | TBA | TBA | 25 MB | 65W | ~200W | $359 US |
| Core i7-12700T | TBA / 4.7 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 25 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA | |||
| Intel Core i5-12600K | 6 | 4 | 10 / 16 | 3.7 / 4.9 GHz | 4.5 GHz (All Core) | TBA / 3.6 GHz | 3.4 GHz (All Core) | 20 MB | 125W | 228W | $279 US |
| Core i5-12600 | 6 | 0 | 6 / 12 | 3.7 / 4.8 GHz | 4.4GHz (All Core) | TBA | TBA | 18 MB | 65W | ~200W | $249 US |
| Core i5-12600T | 6 | 0 | 6 / 12 | TBA / 4.6 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 18 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA |
| Core i5-12500T | 6 | 0 | 6 / 12 | TBA / 4.4 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 18 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA |
| Core i5-12400 | 6 | 0 | 6 / 12 | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | 18 MB | 65W | ~200W | $203 US |
| Core i5-12400T | 6 | 0 | 6 / 12 | TBA / 4.2 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 18 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA |
| Core i3-12200T | 4 | 0 | 4 / 8 | TBA / 4.2 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 12 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA |
| Core i3-12100T | 4 | 0 | 4 / 8 | TBA / 4.1 GHz | TBA | TBA | TBA | 12 MB | 35W | TBA | TBA |
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
WTF even their “65 watt” CPUs hit 200W?
Hope the 35W ones are significantly better than that. Seems like you won’t have to give up too much performance compared to the others
Hope the 35W ones are significantly better than that. Seems like you won’t have to give up too much performance compared to the others
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Damn, that's a watty bitch.
Skifi28
Member
And I bought an 11400. We're both fine for years to come.Bought a i5-11600K in June.
- A CPU that is not available vs a CPU that is available for months.
Intel Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU Destroys The AMD Ryzen 9 5950X In Single-Core & Mult-Threaded Benchmark Leak
The latest benchmark of Intel's flagship Core i9-12900K Alder Lake CPU have leaked out & is crushing AMD's Ryzen 9 5950X 16 core chip.wccftech.com
"Destroys"... I mean... +12% ST and +3~4% MT... still that's pretty good considering how shit Intel's 11th gen was. Finally 10nm!
Now we wait for nextgen Ryzen also.
Competition is good!
- Geekbench ...
- A CPU that should again be optimized around reaching as high boost-clocks as possible to win benchmarks ("just forget the energy-usage but give us speed")
Abandon the thread.
Rikkori
Member
Just waiting for raytracing gaming #s and results with a DH14 (or eq.) and then DDR5 prices. If results are gonna disappoint like I expect them to, and DDR5's too expensive then I might just go for Zen 3 w/ VCache even though I was holding out for AM5. The latency of DDR5 just sound too stupid and it's gonna be a couple of years until that gets sorted out, so why pay extra? 
Ellery
Member
Just waiting for raytracing gaming #s and results with a DH14 (or eq.) and then DDR5 prices. If results are gonna disappoint like I expect them to, and DDR5's too expensive then I might just go for Zen 3 w/ VCache even though I was holding out for AM5. The latency of DDR5 just sound too stupid and it's gonna be a couple of years until that gets sorted out, so why pay extra?
Why raytracing results for a CPU? That seems like looking at a GPU taxing task where the CPU doesn't run into its limit
Midn1ght
Member
Of course
Also, these will need new LGA 1700 Mother Board isn't it ?
F. That. I'm good with my 11600k + 3060 ti until Late 2023 early 2024.
LordOfChaos
Member
I 'member when "Destroy" was like 30-50%. But 12% ST gains these days are hard to come buy and pretty good. Even looks like Apple has tapered off with the A15.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
With that power consumption I dread to think what the thermal output is going to be like.
DonkeyPunchJr
World’s Biggest Weeb
This is ridiculous. No way in hell we should spend that kind of power budget on a CPU
hope the reviews really nail them for heat/power consumption. Not just “wow it’s the new gaming king because it beats existing CPUs by 0.5%!!”
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Buncha poosies afraid of a POWERFUL cpu.
FX 6300 at stock speeds still runs almost every game available as long as I cap FPS to 30 in CPU heavy AAA games.
I can't believe how a 9 year old entry level CPU is still putting up a fight. Gotta thank the weak jaguar cores for that.
Honestly if you upgrade to one of these bad boys how long will it take until they become obsolete Moore's law and all? Chances are you are set until 2035.
I can't believe how a 9 year old entry level CPU is still putting up a fight. Gotta thank the weak jaguar cores for that.
Honestly if you upgrade to one of these bad boys how long will it take until they become obsolete Moore's law and all? Chances are you are set until 2035.
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Dream-Knife
Banned
Unless you're playing 1080p 360hz, or playing old games at 600+ FPS, you likely won't see a benefit to upgrading.
RNG
Member
This is ridiculous. No way in hell we should spend that kind of power budget on a CPU
hope the reviews really nail them for heat/power consumption. Not just “wow it’s the new gaming king because it beats existing CPUs by 0.5%!!”
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
To use one of these you'll have to buy new boards, and these new boards have higher energy requirements. These CPU with "power efficient small cores" will use MORE not less power than the previous gen, even with the new node.
Just wait for Zen 3D.
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Dream-Knife
Banned
Will that Vcache on the CPU matter with DirectStorage?
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Lots of game data has nothing to do w/ graphical assets that can now be sent more directly to a GPU.
I don't think a CPU cache would ever really effect that stuff anyways.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Sounds like a bunch of fluff which is typical Intel.
This is why I left their side in favor of AMD. One of the best decisions I've made on my builds since the 2500k.
This is why I left their side in favor of AMD. One of the best decisions I've made on my builds since the 2500k.
Dream-Knife
Banned
This is saying a 15% performance improvement at 1080p, but we already knew 1080p is CPU bound.
AMD Zen 3+ promises a 15% performance improvement thanks to 3D stacked cache
During the start of Computex this year, the Sunnyvale company took the opportunity to talk about an important advance that could be the basis of the AMD Zen 3+
voonze.com
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Let consumers have these parts their rigs can handle them.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
It's the right path for you.
Zen 3 is already a massive boost on games over Zen 2, with that extra cache it may be even faster than Zen 4 without extra cache. And specially, it's just buy and slot right in, no need to spend a fortune buying new mobo or memory, something that you'll have to do if you switch for Alder Lake.
Dream-Knife
Banned
But why would I replace my 5600x if I only get 40% utilization max? I'm gpu bound at 1440p ultra 170hz.
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WitchHunter
Banned
Buy CPU because... can't find any reason. Can it make scrambled eggs or somethin or just raw power?
Dream-Knife
Banned
With that wattage, you shouldn't need a space heater this winter....?
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I'm assuming this would pair greatly with my rtx 3090? I feel I'm leaving performance on the table with my i79700k...
Rikkori
Member
Raytracing actually hits CPUs VERY HARD. If you want even a smooth 60 fps then you need an absolute monster that's OC & tightly tuned memory (5950x or 11900K). In fact that's what's so sad about this gen of GPUs for RT: Nvidia has problems with CPU usage, and AMD has weaker GPU RT performance. So neither really can run "freely". Closest thing to a good scenario is a 5950X super-tuned + an RTX 3090, but that's excessive for the returns. Either way RT is HUNGRY for CPU performance, so the faster the better, bring on the next-gen!
Raytracing und die CPU - Was kostet Raytracing im Prozessorlimit?
Raytracing stellt bekanntermaßen hohe Ansprüche an die Grafikkarte. Aber wie wirkt sich die Technologie auf die Prozessor-Performance aus?
That has nothing to do with it. DirectStorage is purely for asset decompression & the like (from disk storage, i.e. SSD/HDD, to RAM/VRAM->VRAM), when we're talking CPU cache we're talking much more low level stuff which is crucial for good performance. They're in different realms entirely.
Epic Sax CEO
Banned
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Future tech destroys old tech.
ZywyPL
Banned
What a mess, why no 8+0 configuration? Probably will launch some time later anyway knowing Intel. Who thought that big.LITTLE desing is a good idea for desktoos to begin with?