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Inter-racial couple vow to leave community after cross burning, car set on fire

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vazel said:
My mom has met people at her work from France who's motivation for moving to USA was the racism they experienced there. But hey America is backwards assed compared to other western nations, right?

Not as backward as the PC Police would like to paint it, but still backward too much in some aspects.

Skewing more toward entitlement these days than equality IMO.
 
A couple of things make me doubt that this is a genuine hate crime.

The two originally charged were no older than 20 years old. The community was itself shocked at these actions so it doesn't seem like this a a widespread issue especially when it involves people from a recent generation. If they were older men, you could maybe see the motive.

The fact that there is a relation between the two and one of the victims. Only speculation though, but maybe the fact that she married the only black guy in the province upset some in her family and this manifested itself into physical acts by the younger ones? I think part of this motive maybe related to the wife more so than the actual husband.
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Gaborn said:
LOL, oooooh. Not sure but lollll
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Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
GSG Flash said:
I heard about this couple a few months ago. Could have seen this happening in Alberta but not NS. Though, judging from my dad's impression of the people in the maritimes when he went there, this isn't too surprising.

nova scotia can speak for themselves, the rest of us aren't racist, and you shouldn't use the term maritimes unless you purposefully mean to exclude one province in particular
 
Tim the Wiz said:
I want to go to there.


It`s good man so is the Trinidad and Rio Carnivals as well....it a big booty fiesta. But back to the OP for this thread....it would be naive to think stuff like this doesn`t happen these days. Sorry for the couple and hope things workout for the better.
 
Meus Renaissance said:
A couple of things make me doubt that this is a genuine hate crime.

The two originally charged were no older than 20 years old. The community was itself shocked at these actions so it doesn't seem like this a a widespread issue especially when it involves people from a recent generation. If they were older men, you could maybe see the motive.

The fact that there is a relation between the two and one of the victims. Only speculation though, but maybe the fact that she married the only black guy in the province upset some in her family and this manifested itself into physical acts by the younger ones? I think part of this motive maybe related to the wife more so than the actual husband.

The burning cross with the noose kind of gives it away.

And it's hard to tkae the words of the all-white neighbors that it's not a widespread issue if people are throwing around labels like "Mississippi of the North".

The idea that young people can't be racist is pretty laughable.
 

Nickiepoo

Member
joetachi said:
Only in Ameri........what?!

My first thought too.

Then I realized this WAS in America (just, not in the United States of) so I guess my bigotry still stands! Guffaw.

Seriously though, I'm not saying that America is any more racist than the rest of the western world but the physical act of burning a cross seems to be very America-centric, is there a cause for this beyond 'the KKK used to do it'?
 

Canova

Banned
So this incident is in Canada, eh? Didn't expect that when I read the thread title. Some of the imports from the U.S are just stinky rotten, we just have to do a better job filtering it out
 

Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Nickiepoo said:
My first thought too.

Then I realized this WAS in America (just, not in the United States of) so I guess my bigotry still stands! Guffaw.

Seriously though, I'm not saying that America is any more racist than the rest of the western world but the physical act of burning a cross seems to be very America-centric, is there a cause for this beyond 'the KKK used to do it'?

well not really... there are some odd theories that it have been borrowed from Scottish tradition from 1700s.. but its pretty flimsy
 

Nickiepoo

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Blackace said:
well not really... there are some odd theories that it have been borrowed from Scottish tradition from 1700s.. but its pretty flimsy

I guess they are probably talking about the Crann Tara, I'd never made that connection before. Possible I guess, given that it could be a perversion of the original meaning of 'this is what will happen if we don't defend our community'.
 

andycapps

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Nickiepoo said:
My first thought too.

Then I realized this WAS in America (just, not in the United States of) so I guess my bigotry still stands! Guffaw.

Seriously though, I'm not saying that America is any more racist than the rest of the western world but the physical act of burning a cross seems to be very America-centric, is there a cause for this beyond 'the KKK used to do it'?

Who knows.. Don't know much about the background of why people burn crosses other than that they're racist and backwards people.
 

Shurs

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Trailblaster said:
I call it the Obama reaction.

Being a black man in america, you tend to get use to the subtle racist attatude of people you meet. Hell, most of the time you can just ignore the small shit, and just become numb to it when you see it. But ever since we've elected a black man into the oval office, the subtle racist have stop being so subtle.

Obama have given that closet racist a unifying, target to focus their ire. Attitudes and prejudices that are normally hiden or even subconscious have come bubbling to the surface since the election. I've seen people that i would normally conceder intelligent individuals froth with rage at the mention of Obama.

It's been kinda jarring to me to see shit like this and it only seem to be getting worse.

Is it possible that people just love to talk shit about the president, no matter who the president is?
 

YoungHav

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Shurs said:
Is it possible that people just love to talk shit about the president, no matter who the president is?
Yeah its possible but a lot of the shit talking has been xenophobic in nature. I mean really, what does the "he's not one of us" mentality and invoking Obama's opposition as being "the real america" imply?
 

Gaborn

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andycapps said:
It's definitely a little of both, doesn't have to be exclusive.

I'd say it's 90% political disagreement, 10% racism. The racism is just more sensational and so it's going to get more airtime when it occurs.
 

YoungHav

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Gaborn said:
I'd say it's 90% political disagreement, 10% racism. The racism is just more sensational and so it's going to get more airtime when it occurs.
That's the whole point, the racism should not be there period. It really does NOT help when the most popular cable news network contributes to the racism.
 

Gaborn

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YoungHav said:
That's the whole point, the racism should not be there period. It really does NOT help when the most popular cable news network contributes to the racism.

Of course the racism shouldn't be there, but the fact is that it's going to be there in every single state and every single country for every single election they hold, and especially when candidates of different races are running for the same position. It sucks, but that's reality.
 

JoeBoy101

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YoungHav said:
That's the whole point, the racism should not be there period. It really does NOT help when the most popular cable news network contributes to the racism.

But is that a realistic expectation? Given mankind's inherent tendencies to group and stratify based on group, race will always be a delineation. Your right, it SHOULD not be there, but the sad truth is it probably will always be there. We can keep trying to minimize it, but will probably never completely eradicate it.

EDIT: Beaten like my name is Susie.
 

YoungHav

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Gaborn said:
Of course the racism shouldn't be there, but the fact is that it's going to be there in every single state and every single country for every single election they hold, and especially when candidates of different races are running for the same position. It sucks, but that's reality.
JoeBoy101 said:
But is that a realistic expectation? Given mankind's inherent tendencies to group and stratify based on group, race will always be a delineation. Your right, it SHOULD not be there, but the sad truth is it probably will always be there. We can keep trying to minimize it, but will probably never completely eradicate it.

EDIT: Beaten like my name is Susie.
I agree w/both of you. My problem is losers that sarcastically play the "if you criticize Obama then you're racist" card. Sorry, there are a bunch of things said and memes propagated that wouldn't have occured if Obama were white. It's annoying that Fox News caters to that crowd rather than attacking Obama on his policies w/facts. Though these racist dickheads are a minority, it only takes one bullet to take Obama out and the media shouldn't be influencing that type of behavior.
 

Shurs

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YoungHav said:
I agree w/both of you. My problem is losers that sarcastically play the "if you criticize Obama then you're racist" card. Sorry, there are a bunch of things said and memes propagated that wouldn't have occured if Obama were white. It's annoying that Fox News caters to that crowd rather than attacking Obama on his policies w/facts. Though these racist dickheads are a minority, it only takes one bullet to take Obama out and the media shouldn't be influencing that type of behavior.

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Gaborn

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YoungHav said:
I agree w/both of you. My problem is losers that sarcastically play the "if you criticize Obama then you're racist" card. Sorry, there are a bunch of things said and memes propagated that wouldn't have occured if Obama were white. It's annoying that Fox News caters to that crowd rather than attacking Obama on his policies w/facts. Though these racist dickheads are a minority, it only takes one bullet to take Obama out and the media shouldn't be influencing that type of behavior.

Sure, I can agree with that, but I do think it does feel at times that because there are a handful of racist idiots out there ANYBODY who does oppose Obama for legitimate policy oriented reasons is accused of racism.

My favorite version of this is "well, I didn't hear you complaining about spending when Bush was president, you must have a particularly SPECIAL problem with Obama." sometimes this is framed as a political disagreement, sometimes it's a veiled accusation of racism. In reality there are a couple of non-racist responses. First, often the poster HAS complained about Bush in regards to spending, but anti-Bush voices often get lost in the chorus. Second, even if you generally felt spending was high under Bush (highest spending President since LBJ, just ridiculous on every level), Obama has taken it to yet another level thus it's fair to be even more upset with Obama.

Personally I think they've both been "bad" on a variety of issues I care about, but people often view my opposition to Obama's policies differently than they do my opposition to Bush's.
 

YoungHav

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Gaborn said:
Sure, I can agree with that, but I do think it does feel at times that because there are a handful of racist idiots out there ANYBODY who does oppose Obama for legitimate policy oriented reasons is accused of racism.

My favorite version of this is "well, I didn't hear you complaining about spending when Bush was president, you must have a particularly SPECIAL problem with Obama." sometimes this is framed as a political disagreement, sometimes it's a veiled accusation of racism. In reality there are a couple of non-racist responses. First, often the poster HAS complained about Bush in regards to spending, but anti-Bush voices often get lost in the chorus. Second, even if you generally felt spending was high under Bush (highest spending President since LBJ, just ridiculous on every level), Obama has taken it to yet another level thus it's fair to be even more upset with Obama.

Personally I think they've both been "bad" on a variety of issues I care about, but people often view my opposition to Obama's policies differently than they do my opposition to Bush's.
I agree with that. It's a shame the valid criticism kinda gets drowned out by the idiots getting the spotlight. I personally wish Obama got called out more for continuing the war in the middle east. Everyone was mad at Bush and all it took was for the media to ignore the war and focus on bailouts, swine flu, and healthcare for the war to "go away".

Shurs said:
that CNN film and MSNBC shirt are crazy aren't they?
 

Threi

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Dreams-Visions said:
really surprising to me. I guess because so many African-Americas (then just slaves) defected to Canada. freed slaves too coming from America and the Caribbean.

there's a reason why Caribana is held in Canada...and is fucking awesome.

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the Caribbean/African-Canadian presence is strong. and *BEAUTIFUL*.

/me will be at Caribana 2010.
holy shit the girl on the right is beautiful

but then again here in toronto girls that pretty are everywhere

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GSG Flash

Nobody ruins my family vacation but me...and maybe the boy!
zedge said:
Oh ffs. :ROLLEYES:

I'm suprised it took this long..

When there's a big enough white supremacist population to actually hold rallies in Alberta, the fact that the province has the stigma of being racist attached to it should hardly be surprising.

charsace said:
This has to be a wrong fact. NYC has over 100 ethnicities.

Actually, it's a correct fact. Miami is the only city above Toronto in multiculturalism and the reason for that is because of the amount of Cubans in Miami, whereas Toronto has a good mixture of all kinds of ethnicities.

edit: And I see Firestorm already addressed your post.

Stumpokapow said:
nova scotia can speak for themselves, the rest of us aren't racist, and you shouldn't use the term maritimes unless you purposefully mean to exclude one province in particular

I was stating the maritimes because I've heard the same things about Newfoundland. Unless PEI and New Brunswick are vastly different, it's much easier for me to type out the maritimes than each province :lol
 
bafflewaffle said:
gaf is guilty of stereotyping canada as not racist
GUILTY.

Meus Renaissance said:
A couple of things make me doubt that this is a genuine hate crime.
sorry, bro. I didn't get past this part.

what portion of "cross burning in effigy with complimentary noose in black man's front yard" seems to not fit the general description of "hate crime" in your opinion?
 

YoungHav

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Dreams-Visions said:
what portion of "cross burning in effigy with complimentary noose in black man's front yard" seems to not fit the general description of "hate crime" in your opinion?
:lol . His only excuse is if he doesn't live in the U.S.
 

zedge

Member
KnightM7 said:
Edmonton has their own Caribana(since that seems to be the sign that a city isnt racist..)

Obviously not as big as Toronto's but it happens every year.
So does Calgary. Carifest. Since we're bringing this up.
 

Canova

Banned
Threi said:
holy shit the girl on the right is beautiful

but then again here in toronto girls that pretty are everywhere

canadafuckyeah.gif

so is the one on the left, though we can't see her face clearly
 
Threi said:
holy shit the girl on the right is beautiful

but then again here in toronto girls that pretty are everywhere

canadafuckyeah.gif
very true. I went to Windsor for a concert and was literally *shocked* at how beautiful the women of color were.

me and my boys have an inside joke where when we say, "Canada is BEAUTIFUL!" we all smile and nod. it was like a gang of Nubian models in every direction. that was almost 10 years ago now...but the joke remains.

*nods to self*
 

ameratsu

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I can't really comment about Nova Scotia, but where I live in the prairies there is widespread racism towards the indigenous. Don't let that display of multiculturalism during the opening of the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver fool you. A lot of the negative sort of stereotypes attributed to blacks in the states are haphazardly applied to the indigenous here. Probably a lot more prevalent than a lot of foreigners might think.

edit: crap didn't realize this thread was so old. sorry about that.
 
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