Vincent Grayson
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Those of you that've done 20:4, did you just jump right in at that, or do something more mild like 16:8 first?
Those of you that've done 20:4, did you just jump right in at that, or do something more mild like 16:8 first?
What are you talking about?
Keto diet isn't like a carb based diet where you're constantly snacking to get your insulin levels back up.
A fat based diet will keep people satiated longer, causing them to eat less. You think people on keto just snack on bacon strips and half chickens? You can eat an avocado, a Quest bar, hell I've made my own keto candy bars with cocoa and stevia.
And again, if people are trying to lose weight on a keto diet, they'll eat less food than someone on a carb based diet who is also eating meat.
The research is out and has been for over 50 years that calorie restriction on a carb based diet doesn't work. Feel free to do your own investigating. This is science and what you're doing is perpetuating a myth.Again, this is based on personal anecdotal evidence and not particularly borne out by the research that has been done. Ketogenic diets are great for more rapid fat loss, but calorie restriction in a diet with whole carbs also works just fine, and neither is necessarily superior to the other in the long-term in terms of how much weight is ultimately lost and keeping the weight off. In a few years, this understanding may change, but for now, it comes across as evangelism more than science.
The research is out and has been for over 50 years that calorie restriction on a carb based diet doesn't work. Feel free to do your own investigating. This is science and what you're doing is perpetuating a myth.
It lowers your metabolism. Weight loss will be temporary. It will become very easy to put the weight back on."Doesnt work" seems a bit strong considering theres a large number of people on this board who successfully lose bodyfat while eating carbs (including myself)
"Doesnt work" seems a bit strong considering theres a large number of people on this board who successfully lose bodyfat while eating carbs (including myself)
I wouldn'tWhile in a fasting period, could I replace water with green tea?
Again, this is based on personal anecdotal evidence and not particularly borne out by the research that has been done. Ketogenic diets are great for more rapid fat loss, but calorie restriction in a diet with whole carbs also works just fine, and neither is necessarily superior to the other in the long-term in terms of how much weight is ultimately lost and keeping the weight off. In a few years, this understanding may change, but for now, it comes across as evangelism more than science.
It takes weeks of not eating (depends on the amount of body fat you have;an obese man went a year without eating) before you body goes into starvation mode.
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I wouldn't
If I wanted to do a 20-4 fast...
I work usually everyday 8:00-4:30 so I should make my eating window 5:00-9:00.
Is that about right?
I'd never do it. I prefer to create a caloric deficit by eating clean, frequently, and working out hard every day, sometimes twice a day even.
Putting your body in starvation mode just isn't as effective as increasing your metabolism with regular healthy meals like veggies and lean protein.
It's a shortcut with less long term gain. (And it isn't much of a shortcut anyway). You're just cheating yourself and losing muscle. I guarantee if you have two people with the same body that do the same workouts, and one does IF and the other eats 5 appropriately sized lean meals a day, the second person will completely outpace the performance gains and fat loss of the IF person.
If people are drinking black coffee while fasting I don't see why green tea would be any worse? Without sugar and milk etc of course.
While in a fasting period, could I replace water with green tea?
Your stomach lining will hate it. The acid likes to be entertained with food. I did this for a couple of years, can't tell you it was only because of it, but I have had some very big issues with my stomach. Both gastro's that I went told me to never stay too long without eating anything (which I did regularly, daily as I woke up soon and only lunched late, and every week I would skip meals).
I don't drink tea myself, but from what I've read green tea is fine while fasting, as well as black coffee like you mentioned.If people are drinking black coffee while fasting I don't see why green tea would be any worse? Without sugar and milk etc of course.
I've heard it can cause really bad stomach cramps, some say it's the caffeine but others say it's tricking your body into thinking food is coming when it's not.
I think it;s the tea part. A portion of population (myself included), just can't drink any tea on empty stomache, because it immiedietely makes you feel like throwing up and your stomache is spasming, while drinking coffee has no such effect.
Did my first day of the 16:8 plan...ate from noon to 8pm. Wasn't to hard to make it until noon but I did end up eating a lot between noon and 8. Woke up around 2am with stomach cramps and diarrhea which I rarely ever get.
Guessing this is from the short fast and toxins being eliminated but hopefully it's not a regular thing.
"Toxins being eliminated"? What the fuck are you talking about.
Not sure why you are being hostile but after reading about fasting and what others have said here it sounds like your body (including GI tract) will go into a cleaning mode. It's logical to think that this process would result in the elimination of built up toxins from your body through your GI tract.
While in a fasting period, could I replace water with green tea?
Green tea is fantastic. I have one every morning on weekdays, one in the evening on weekend days.
that's worrying, any more info on this?
Would love to hear more, because I feel like intermittent fasting f*cked my health, basically completely exhausted my body/digestive system.
I used to sleep really well, and digest quickly and efficiently. Now I'm rarely hungry, sometimes when I eat I feel full very quickly and lack a lot of energy, my sleep is unrestful and light/broken easily.
Be careful, it seems that fasting is actually more stressful to the body than what most seem to believe.
Just curious what kind of fasting did you do?
I'm looking to start this up, and what I'm seeing is people eating around 1pm and then 8pm and just having two meals that do their total daily calories. Does it matter how many times you eat during that period though as long as your within your calorie goals? I typically eat smaller meals and I'm not sure I can do two meals large enough for the whole day.
After a day I changed my 16/8 IF plan to 14/10, thinking Id rather ease into rather than going all out. Will probably go back to 16/8 after a week or so.
I took my daughter out to breakfast this morning and she couldn't eat all her pancakes so I had a few bites thinking Sunday's could be a possible cheat day since going to breakfast on Sundays is kind of a routine.
Whats the consensus on one cheat day a week? Is it incredibly bad for IF?