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International Cycling Union (UCI) strips Lance Armstrong of all titles
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Windom Earle
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Not many are now, but all those years we knew already but people were still pretending Armstrong was a saint. But it's understandable to a certain regard, the whole "coming back from the dead" story made people believe in Armstrong.
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Amazing attack in 2000 on Ventoux. Looks like he's riding a motorbike compared to the others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ
and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ
and:
David Walsh said:
Deadly Cyclone
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So what about all the other dopers? Or are they lesser concern?
Lance still did some great work in his foundation, shame about the cycling.
Lance still did some great work in his foundation, shame about the cycling.
It's unlikely Armstrong would have dominated in climbs without doping, he doesn't have the physique for it. He's not a natural climber. In fact, people for a long time told him he could never win a grand tour because you needed to be a great climber. Doping can give you a huge advantage, especially if you go all the way with lots of blood transfusions and the like. And of course different people can respond to doping in quite varying degrees. Armstrong responded better than most others to doping.
Mostly caught ages ago.
King Mystery
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Does this mean the titles will go to the guys who were in second place in all those races he won?
freenudemacusers
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but he's so handsome
and american
and american
No, because a bunch of them were already caught for doping.
Wouldn't they have to go back to like 7th place to find the first people who weren't caught or heavily suspected?
He was actually a better rider for one-day races, even becoming world champion in 1993 in Oslo under the rain... We don't know if he was already doping back then, but he had some talent to start with, then he got greedy.
Windom Earle
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It is true that Armstrong is not a natural climber. The cancer recovery gave him the chance to completely rebuild his muscles. Of course drug enhanced.
man, i remember when i watched the tour every summer back in the days. was a ullrich supporter obviously. it was nice as long as the whole doping thing seemed under control. but as soon as the bubble popped i never watch a race again. still, was nice to see jan and lance duelling each other in the mountains. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka1mfw9Ys24
RumblingRosco
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Lance was such a feel-good story too, considering the cancer and all. What a shame.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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I'm still waiting for an edited version of Dodgeball that removes his appearance and the gloating over how many title he won.
And he needs to come correct now. Stop lying and admit you did something wrong. No one who isn't guilty would let their legacy be ruined like this. There's no going back at this point.
And he needs to come correct now. Stop lying and admit you did something wrong. No one who isn't guilty would let their legacy be ruined like this. There's no going back at this point.
Hari Seldon
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Do the Kenyan marathon runners who always kick everyone's ass ever get caught doping?
entremet
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It's the mountain training, man.
it's not just muscles, he didn't have the physiology to be a great climber pre cancer. it was thought he might have the build to be a decent classics rider
HGH, EPO, Blood doping etc can really add to your ability to maintain the required effort to climb in the high alps and repeat those efforts over 3 or 4 passes.
you can tell it's had an effect in the last couple of years with blokes having to dose their efforts on climbs and not being able to really blast away continually. it's been more sustained pressure rather than, blast, rest, blast, rest, blast, rest, blast which really takes it out of you.
not that doping hasn't been going on for 50 years or so. Tom Simpson died on Ventoux in 1967 with 3 vials of speed in his jersey, one already used.
I think outside of cycling and skiing, no sport is serious about catching dopers, so not really.
Trigger Warning
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ElectricBlue187
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Lance Armstrong is a doping investigator job creator
Windom Earle
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Right there with you on Ullrich fan. But it's this mentality I don't understand. Even as a kid in 1997 I was 90% sure that we are not seeing clean sports. So for me the bubble never bursted. It was always a fairy tale.
This was Ullrich's biggest victory against Armstrong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2pxDnc3eYM
Totally agreed. But I think the cancer treatment was a cruical step in rebuilding his body. His physique did change compared to his time as one day rider. E.g. a Fabian Cancellara will never be a climbing specialist, no matter how much EPO you inject him.
vas_a_morir
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This guy always had a cocky swagger to him that didn't sit right with me. Schadenfreude.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Hopefully he hasn't spent all of that money yet.
iamshadowlark
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Don't know why people thought the UCI was gonna let him off. Hopefully he doesn't go completely broke from this.
Edit: And according to USADA, he would have just lost 2 titles based on the evidence they have if he would have confessed.
Edit: And according to USADA, he would have just lost 2 titles based on the evidence they have if he would have confessed.
BertramCooper
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Yeah, the financial fallout is going to be fascinating.
No doubt he has a huge amount in investments and savings, but there will probably be multiple lawsuits and probably few (if any) new sources of income for poor Dopestrong.
Alx
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He should write a book describing all his doping techniques... it would sell millions of copies.
KernelPanic
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Since Lance insists he's innocent he should write a book like OJ:
"If I Doped" by Lance Armstrong
"If I Doped" by Lance Armstrong
He was actually. He's friends with George W. Bush and was thinking about running for Governor of Texas.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
1) It would drain all funding and effectively destroy clean sports as they obviously wouldn't be able to coexist together.
2) Please look at professional bodybuilding and tell me if you really want to see that sort of freakshow in every sport.
3) <Insert health issues with PEDs here>
And personally, I like watching sports because every now and then you'll get a talent that's the pinnacle of the sport and redefines the sport through his/her actions. With legalised PEDs you wouldn't get that. Instead you would be cheering on Pharma companies.
Agree but I have a feeling they are just going to use Armstrong as a fall guy. The UCI at best passively encouraged doping, and seemed to go out of their way to sweep doping allegations under the rug.
Everyone is antidoping untill they're caught. Sky just got rid of a doctor with known doping ties that has been on the team the whole year without them taking any action
And the "documentary" was a promotional piece made by Sky tv. Discovery made documentaries feat. Lance when they were on the same team
choodi
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Why are there still so many people in this thread making excuses for what Armstrong did and claiming he Would have won in a clean race anyway?
"But everyone else was doping too!"
Read the details of the report people. This man was the ring leader of the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sport. Other teams did not have the scientific or political clout to keep up.
It is also a fact that he was not a top cyclist until he started the doping. He went from an also ran who couldn't finish the tour, to a 7 times consecutive winner BECAUSE OF THE DOPING. His best finish in the tour de France pre-cancer was 36th.
So anyone saying that his achievements are still worthy of respect is deluding themselves.
"But everyone else was doping too!"
Read the details of the report people. This man was the ring leader of the most sophisticated doping program in the history of sport. Other teams did not have the scientific or political clout to keep up.
It is also a fact that he was not a top cyclist until he started the doping. He went from an also ran who couldn't finish the tour, to a 7 times consecutive winner BECAUSE OF THE DOPING. His best finish in the tour de France pre-cancer was 36th.
So anyone saying that his achievements are still worthy of respect is deluding themselves.
Yes, Lance Armstrong was also very anti-doping.
NekoToshiro
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My (very controversial) opinion is that they should just make doping of all kinds legal. There is nothing "natural" about how pro athletes train today. Their achievements have as much to do with the tonnes of training and scientific knowledge that went into preparing them as they do to any natural talent.
Sure, it will make sports into a competition in chemistry, but it's already like that, we're just not realizing it. Look at how many athletic records have been smashed over the last decade - this is all science and technology in action. Having these doping bans only creates situations such as this one, where an athlete is respected only to be later labeled a "cheater".
Just have everyone use whatever they want, and let the best doper win. In motorsports, no one would accuse Ferrari of cheating if they made a better car than other companies. Why not the same with athletes?
Sure, it will make sports into a competition in chemistry, but it's already like that, we're just not realizing it. Look at how many athletic records have been smashed over the last decade - this is all science and technology in action. Having these doping bans only creates situations such as this one, where an athlete is respected only to be later labeled a "cheater".
Just have everyone use whatever they want, and let the best doper win. In motorsports, no one would accuse Ferrari of cheating if they made a better car than other companies. Why not the same with athletes?
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