Gameplay Gods Bless
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When is this coming out?
Introducing Neverness to Everness, a New UE5 Supernatural Urban Open-World RPG (Closed Beta Test July 3 - 16)
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
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No release date yet, but they're currently running a 2nd closed beta test. If everything goes well, I think it might launch either later this year or early 2026.
SleepMachine
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What a bad name for a game. Basically up there with the most stupid Square Enix titles. I was never in, but would be out based on the name alone.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Just found a better clip whey they show only the car chase scene and some bits of the wanted system:
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
NTE's opening animation dropped earlier today:
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Looks like invites for CBT2 were sent out early this morning so if you've applied make sure to check on your end.
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Azure Crystal Gaming
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Yeah, I have seen lots of Gacha type games on YouTube lately and they all have great animation, voice acting, gameplay and music which just leaves me confused why they would limit themselves to just phones and pc when they could be on everything either as is or as a spin off. To this day I still want to play Nikke in my bedroom on my 65-inch tv rather than on a computer.
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Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Most big gachas are on console too (Genshin, ZZZ, HSR, Wuthering Waves), and this one is coming to PS5 as well. In fact, most major gachas that have been announced and are yet to release are heading to PS5 (Ananta, NTE, Arknights Enfield, Azure Promillia, 7DS Origins, etc.).
Angry_Megalodon
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Gacha is the reason for the high budget. You can't monetize this kind of game with a traditional pricing.
That game is called Ananta and is likely to sweep the floor with this one and others.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
The only gacha game Danjin will play is Xenoblade 2.
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Is the game openworld if it only takes place in one city?
I'd give it a try but Gacha trash forces you into either P2W or some silly grind.
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Felessan
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Their main market, which is Asia, love online/gacha games. SP games are niche there. And gacha games bring much more money, justifying the high cost of AAA gacha
Only smaller/niche one can't allow themselves to be on consoles (PS5), most of bigger new ones go for PS release too
There are hardly P2W nowadays and most of the games are mostly or strictly PvE based so what is "P2W" there is a question in itself.
And grind is a usual online games grind with dailies/weeklies/patch content routine
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Nah it's either powercreep pulls or they have you farm one mode and limit how many times you can play with a energy or stamina system.
In addition the Mobile/PC split platform is already a red flag. Easy pass.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Imaging having all S ranks at M6 (as well as their max OCd W-Engines) in ZZZ and clearing content in seconds. That's P2W faster. Same goes for GF2, their boss scores and PVP. So if you'll pay a shit ton, you'll win faster and don't even have to try as hard, but if you're not paying, you're waiting for reruns, going for mostly M0 characters and have to strughle to get all rewards, bulding more teams etc.
Felessan
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There is no content for M6 in ZZZ. It simply for bragging.
KenaiPhoenix
Member
uhhhh, it looks really good.
I will give it a try, but I dont think I will play all that much. Games like these and StarRail, usually required a lot of time to be up to date (unless... $$$). Im already married to my gacha GFL2
I will give it a try, but I dont think I will play all that much. Games like these and StarRail, usually required a lot of time to be up to date (unless... $$$). Im already married to my gacha GFL2
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Well i'm not saying there is, but it'll make endgame a lot easier and faster.
Danny22
Member
It's tiring to read the repetitive comments on games like these on hardcore community websites.
Yes, it's gacha, yes you guys hate it, yes you want to play singleplayer until the day you die and everything else is blasphemy but can we please talk about the game. There's so much interesting stuff to write, how these games have blown up, how they've gone from genshin impact to other genres, how they're introducing a huge mobile audience to more AA gaming.
Besides, you're missing out in life by not atleast trying out the wildly different stuff out there.
But if you think the financial model is inherently rotten and can't be fixed, if you'll never try it, then atleast say something about the game instead of saying stuff that the previous 20 comments just repeated.
Yes, it's gacha, yes you guys hate it, yes you want to play singleplayer until the day you die and everything else is blasphemy but can we please talk about the game. There's so much interesting stuff to write, how these games have blown up, how they've gone from genshin impact to other genres, how they're introducing a huge mobile audience to more AA gaming.
Besides, you're missing out in life by not atleast trying out the wildly different stuff out there.
But if you think the financial model is inherently rotten and can't be fixed, if you'll never try it, then atleast say something about the game instead of saying stuff that the previous 20 comments just repeated.
Felessan
Member
It's like buying Easy/Very Easy mode options
Those who go for M6 usually either do not care about hardcore content (they do it to brag) or play good enough to not need easy modes and go for excessive to show off.
Personally I find more beneficial to have every character (female character) with W-engine than to go for M2-3 with limited roster. And M6 is overkill that not worth money spent.
Blatant obsessive hate is juvenile
Sintoid
Member
So criticize is ossessive juvenile hate?
This kind of reply could be ossevssive juvenile fanboysm then...
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Exactly, but still pay to win, it's just not related to interactions with other players online in any way other than as you said - to show off or brag.
Completely agree. I only have Miyabi at M3 cuz I bought $100 pack ones, if it wasn't for this, she'll be M0.
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Felessan
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Criticize gacha in general in specific game threads?
Yes, it's obsession and it's juvenile.
There are a number of gacha hate threads already to go and shit into game specific threads.
I am oldschooler, for me pay2win is when you actually pay to ~win~ and not just make your life easier. It's pay for comfort of playing.
Basically they are different motives for paying - pay to brag (like skins), pay for comfort (grind circumvent, easy mode), pay to win (win in contest against others). Pay2win is most destructive and least preferable type of monetization as it breaks "fairness" of competition
Angry_Megalodon
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Sintoid
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If you only knew reality you could'nt even try to criticize such beautiful creations
Doom85
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Yeah, I don't consider gacha games like Honkai Star Rail and Zenless Zone Zero as "pay to win" as when people label them as such, they're almost always not talking about any of the main story updates (which generally feature little power creep), but the optional "end game" modes.
The thing about those modes is they're designed to be a primary source of pulling currency which lets players pull for new characters. So to me, it makes total sense that these modes be more difficult so the players who have actually financially invested in the game can clear all of them more easily due to having more newer characters and/or enhancing older characters by pulling more often.
Because otherwise, this means players who spend little to nothing on the game are demanding the developers stop rewarding players who do spend much more on the game, even though both types of players can fully enjoy the main story as it continues to get expanded on with each update, and it's the latter type of players who are a major source of revenue for the developers which ensures the game continues to get updated.
Mind you, even most F2P players can still clear the majority of these end game modes with each update, as long as they're not poorly building what characters they do have. So it's literally a small amount of pulling currency that is causing all this backlash which just makes it even more ridiculous IMHO.
I'll say at least with Honkai Star Rail, there may be a little less complaining in the future as they are updating/improving some of the oldest limited 5 star characters. I've not followed the specifics on her changes but Silver Wolf is apparently getting the first update and players seem pretty happy with her improvement, even discussing how they plan to build her with her new abilities.
Felessan
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I don't really do endgame much as I have no time now. But judging from Genshin first two years or my rough estimation of current ZZZ - if you are an active daily player you have enough resources and roster to clear all content. If you slack and miss/skip some - you will fall behind and might have some difficulties, and money can circumvent that (pay for convinience/comfort)
Aenima
Member
I have very little faith in this game because of the dev team. I tried Tower of Fantasy and it sucked ass. But i do hope this game does well just for the gacha system alone. No 50/50, 1.8% drop rate, garanteed character after 90 pulls, no weapon banners. Its all i been asking these big chinese gachas to do since i been playing korean gachas that already have similar gacha system and its so much better and easier to get all the characters.
I will even try the game at lauch just for that. Now i hope they go for the cosmetics monetizations, instead of needing dupes to make the characters any good, or just give away very little currency for pulls. They do have alot of stuff in game they can use for cosmetics though (House decorations, vehicles, character skins)
Felessan
Member
ToF was good, but it's bona fide MMO, a little bit to hard to chew for general crowd
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Why aren't they doing open betas closer to launch to build the hype? I mean just in general, not just NTE devs.
Like, if you think that your game is good, why not let people play it a bit early to see what it's all about and then potentially spread the word?
Like, if you think that your game is good, why not let people play it a bit early to see what it's all about and then potentially spread the word?
Felessan
Member
What the point for f2p?
For paid games it's essentially a demo, there are usually only minor changes from open beta to release.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
I hate to answer a question with a question
, but what's the point in having only CBTs especially closer to the game's launch?
It could be beneficial to them if more people spread the word about the game after getting a chance to play it early (even for a few hours) sooner for the game to then have a more successful launch.
Like, yeah, it's F2P and all that and I know that CBTs can be waaaay different in terms of quality than the launch version, but closer to launch to have OBT won't hurt them one bit.
They're focusing too much on CC, YT and Twitch streamers and not letting regular people in and I mean all gacha companies.
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Felessan
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This is an answer - there is no point in OBT for f2p - it have much more sense to have a soft launch, and most online games do it anyway and fix minor stuff in first patch or two, than to bother with OBT. It just stretching release into future for no benefit.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Yeah, I gave up on that idea sometime last year (the post you've quoted is old).
Well, I guess they could call it an open urban action game instead of an open world or something along those lines.
Tbh, most of these big gachas don't require premium units or too much grinding to get through the story parts. For example, in ZZZ they give you trial characters at the required level to progress through the story. I think we also had a GAF user who recently cleared all of Wuthering Waves' story up to version 2.2 in about 20-25 hours before moving on to something else and he didn't spend any money in it.
Buuut if you want to push in end-game modes, then yeah, you'll def need to grind and be lucky with your pulls to get the units you need for your teams. I still think you shouldn't have any issues clearing around 65-70% of all the end-game modes in these big gachas if you stick to F2P and invest wisely in your team comps.
That said, I'm not sure how it will be with NTE, so we'll have to wait and see.
Angry_Megalodon
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Even without trying this one there are some particular aspects we could criticize. I don't like its inconsistent art direction or its overall vibes, for example.
However, a generic "gacha bad" is not criticism, is mindless hate. Pretty much like entering an Atlus game thread and copy paste something along these lines: "another incomplete game with PS3 graphics for early adopters who will only get the full version one year after, for which they will have to pay full price. AGAIN. Atlus bad".
That would be annoying, though factually correct.
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Spyxos
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Damn, sounds like NTE is pretty bad.
*Bad Camera control
*Janky combat
*Bad Hitdetection
*The combat between different characters looks identical
*Parry system not working
*Running, walking, jumping feels stiff
*Clymbing locked behind a character
Sure, it's still a beta, but I don't think it will change much.
*Bad Camera control
*Janky combat
*Bad Hitdetection
*The combat between different characters looks identical
*Parry system not working
*Running, walking, jumping feels stiff
*Clymbing locked behind a character
Sure, it's still a beta, but I don't think it will change much.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Not the least surprised. It looks like a game where they threw in lot of elements without any consistency and it shows. Compare this to Arknights Endfield and it's day and night.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yeah, I said in one of my posts that they should delay the game indefinitely if they want it to succeed and be better than what it is now. But it's Perfect World, I didn't expect much from them anyway. Imagine if they'll release this game in a bit better state and then Ananta will release... or just about any other highly anticipated gachas and yeah, it just won't have a chance against Arknights alone.
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Doom85
Member
Has that new Arknights game been improved on in more recent previews? I don't remember how long ago it was, feels like almost two years now, but I remember some people getting to try the game out and walked away with a general sort of "it's okay, but needs a lot of work to really stand out" response IIRC.
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Yes, they improved some things quite a bit since the last beta, but it doesn't feel like the game will go live this year and it's okay. To be clear, presentation aspect of the game, animations and stuff is already top notch, but combat needs more improvements, refinements and polish - it takes time and the game will be better for it.
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