Introduction to MOBAs
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Why is that? Does blue always get to ban first?
SteveWinwood
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who wants to party up with me to try and make blizzard all stars bearable
TharpDaddy
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I would... if i had the game. Blizzard pls.
i dunno, most professional games are regulated by a shadowy organization; in NA and EU LCS it's done round robin style over a few months -> playoffs, so I'd assume that it's known beforehand what side you're on, but I don't really care to find out i guess
Abathur is the only one I'm interested in that game tbh and I'm past the stage where a single character gets me to play a game (Karthus got me to play lol because he's a lich and I love liches).
What do you find interesting about the game?
SteveWinwood
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That it makes me play a coop vs bots game to even unlock normal multiplayer and I've been sitting here for 8 minutes now because literally no one else is looking for a vs bots game.
tho there's the whole double ops thing now with purple
like you leave 3 contested picks open so the blue team is forced to pick one while you grab both
less dumb than how clg did it but still
TharpDaddy
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I'm interested in seeing Blizzard's take on the genre. Even if impressions are mediocre, they've managed to turn Diablo 3 into a great game. I have few doubts they'll find a way to make HotS fun.
i dunno they might be different games
i wonder what pro league would be like with more bans
Inskipp
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There was an entire thread about this topic, where Tom Cadwell's (head of Riot's game design) responses essentially boiled down to "We want less targeted banning and just keep it as is for banning out OP champs".
This discussion was held a couple of years ago though, so I can't say if their PoV has changed on the matter. It's probably safe to assume that it hasn't.
Here's the thread if you happen to be curious : http://bit.ly/1lhX4Mz
League players must have very small hero pools then.
Serious response though, I can see their point. When the heroes are behind a paywall, you could prevent people from playing with too many bans.
sounds like admiral bulldog should play leeg Kappa
I think Zilean's reasoning is rather shortsighted. DOTA2's ban system, in conjunction with the great balance the game is enjoying currently, has forced players to become more adaptable, leading to pocket strats like Fnatic's Tiny-Wisp and DK's MMYMaapo.
now dis gone b a gud friday night
you'll thank me
nah it's pretty simple, but obviously as you get better at it and become matched with better people it'll become more intricate. it's definitely something you need to put time into rather than something you can just pick up and succeed in
It's a bit overwhelming at first, but it's not too bad if you go into it with the right mindset. Having friends help too although I'm not sure if your friend is the rager type (most dota players are, and naturally make awful teachers).
Unfortunately, I do not have many total newbie resources I can point you to. Better to ask in the Community thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=787049
Pureauthor
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I think most Dota 1 players benefitted a lot from playing WC3 first. The 'standard
MOBA control scheme is basically a pared down RTS one.
MOBA control scheme is basically a pared down RTS one.
SteveWinwood
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I think it really depends on your prior experience.
Also if your friend helps you through it, it will be SOOOOOO much smoother.
I think Fnatic's situation is pretty interesting. Because they run Wisp-Tiny so effectively, every team is forced to use a ban on it (and with their current use of Tiny without Wisp, they may even force their opponents to ban both). This could lead to a significant advantage for them in the drafting phase since they are capable of playing all the current trending first pick/ban heroes effectively, essentially leaving their opponents with the tough decision of who to let them pick from Invoker, Ember Spirit, Lycan, Batrider and whatever. I think the current ban phase kind of favours teams that develop their own unique "respect bans" for the drafting metagame which would be great for viewers since it'll encourage even more diverse team strategies.
Marauder Shields
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It may be simple if you're familiar with the genre, or similar ones, but as someone who went in blind (and with no friends to assist me) playing Dota 2 at the start was an overwhelming challenge. From my experience a lot of the difficulty comes from the fact that a lot of Dota is fairly un-intuitive.
Having someone help to tutor you makes a big difference, although if you don't have that you could do what I did and read a lot of tutorials and guides.
Edit: Ah missed your following post.
Does League get any "Hat Talk?" Cosmetics talk make up a decent bit of our conversation, in the dota topic, between trading, market talk, workshop links, and just spazzing out at the lates and greatest in hat technology.
Whats the most you guys have put down for a single skin/item? I recently decided to buy up a Dolfrat courier for $21 from the marketplace since I have been wanting it for a year and half and it doesn't drop in game. I got about $95 Steam Bucks from selling the virtual pack in items with some shirts I bought (They were on clearance, so I bought 4 shirts for $35, and then they screwed up the order and sent it to me twice, doubleling my shirts/money). Also, you can make it so you get a random courier each game, which makes it more appealing to own a lot of couriers.
Some couriers command a really high price, The three TI2 couriers command over $400 prices now, the TI3 couriers are worth from $50-$150,
There are also valuable hero cosmetics. Like the Alpine Ursa set is worth $1k+ now (There are only like 200 of them to be fair), and the the Dragon Claw Hook for Pudge goes for $240 USD (I don't totally get this one there is 10k of them)
Whats the most you guys have put down for a single skin/item? I recently decided to buy up a Dolfrat courier for $21 from the marketplace since I have been wanting it for a year and half and it doesn't drop in game. I got about $95 Steam Bucks from selling the virtual pack in items with some shirts I bought (They were on clearance, so I bought 4 shirts for $35, and then they screwed up the order and sent it to me twice, doubleling my shirts/money). Also, you can make it so you get a random courier each game, which makes it more appealing to own a lot of couriers.
Some couriers command a really high price, The three TI2 couriers command over $400 prices now, the TI3 couriers are worth from $50-$150,
There are also valuable hero cosmetics. Like the Alpine Ursa set is worth $1k+ now (There are only like 200 of them to be fair), and the the Dragon Claw Hook for Pudge goes for $240 USD (I don't totally get this one there is 10k of them)
i dont know how dota matchmaking works; when I played it was just whoever could find a lobby, no elo or anything.
well there was like unofficial elo where you could check your teammates and opponents and then dodge in fear or disgust
but the basic concept of dota is easy to understand. you try to kill their big ol dood in their base and stop them from killing yours.
once you start getting into it though, there are a lot of resources you can use like guides or streams, but learning champs and stuff is fun for me. you can read about a hero but you still have to experience playing it and against it, you have to get a feel for it; this shouldn't be seen as legwork towards mastery but a part of playing the game and having fun. you kind of have to get used to this since heroes are often patched
what's probably harder is learning to deal with people, learning teamwork, just multiplayer shit. I think that's fun too, but that's where the majority of new players lose steam i think
mobas are probably a group of games where there are constant bodies of information telling you what to do in-game and out of the game
league has like
tiers of skins priced on perceived amount of work put into them
in the league thread skin talk basically boils down to ppl saying that they like or dislike a skin; the only real economic transition going is from the player to Riot. I think the most expensive skin is $20 but I could be wrong since I haven't paid a dime for league and I don't care about cosmetics
something I'm kinda interested in is whether dropped pieces of sets incentivize you to purchase more with real $ vs. no drops at all
ok i googled it and there are limited league skins going for 600+, cr4zy
well there was like unofficial elo where you could check your teammates and opponents and then dodge in fear or disgust
but the basic concept of dota is easy to understand. you try to kill their big ol dood in their base and stop them from killing yours.
once you start getting into it though, there are a lot of resources you can use like guides or streams, but learning champs and stuff is fun for me. you can read about a hero but you still have to experience playing it and against it, you have to get a feel for it; this shouldn't be seen as legwork towards mastery but a part of playing the game and having fun. you kind of have to get used to this since heroes are often patched
what's probably harder is learning to deal with people, learning teamwork, just multiplayer shit. I think that's fun too, but that's where the majority of new players lose steam i think
mobas are probably a group of games where there are constant bodies of information telling you what to do in-game and out of the game
league has like
tiers of skins priced on perceived amount of work put into them
in the league thread skin talk basically boils down to ppl saying that they like or dislike a skin; the only real economic transition going is from the player to Riot. I think the most expensive skin is $20 but I could be wrong since I haven't paid a dime for league and I don't care about cosmetics
something I'm kinda interested in is whether dropped pieces of sets incentivize you to purchase more with real $ vs. no drops at all
ok i googled it and there are limited league skins going for 600+, cr4zy
After you play about 100 games the system mostly goes by a hidden MMR which goes up and down for win/loss, nothing too fancy. Win a game, go up in MMR, lose a game, go down, and the system trys to match people with similar MMRs. Works well enough, people just don't understand you aren't going to play your best every single game, or be better/bad in certain areas.
Valve has recentlyish made the cosmetic sets more standardized in pricing. For one, they are only selling full sets on the webstore now, no more single items for heroes (You have to trade or use the market for individual pieces). And they made the pricing model a standard price for "rarity". Common/Uncommon sets are $2.49, Rare sets are $3.99, Mythical sets are $7.99, Legendary Sets are 13.99, and Arcana items are $34.99.
Its a 51/49% split, with Radiant having an early game advantage:
http://dotametrics.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/radiant-vs-dire-win-rates/
Much better then in LoL though, it has a 55/45 win rate, even in ARAM:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueofleg...team_wins_57_of_matches_computed_on_10000000/
SteveWinwood
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im tempted to remove balls from the op
man that game
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man that game
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You mean Hots, or something else?
SteveWinwood
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yes blizzard dota/blizzard all stars/heroes of the storm/hero brawler/technical alpha
its incredible how boring and not fun it is
maybe thats why its alpha
theyll add the fun in later
its incredible how boring and not fun it is
maybe thats why its alpha
theyll add the fun in later
I'm really just not even sure what they're going for. It's not something that can be taken seriously but it's also not something I could even casually goof around in because it's just so frustrating. The impact I can have on a game feels so muted.