• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

io9:'New Mutants' Has Found Its Sunspot, But Why Are Marvel and Fox Whitewashing Him?

Link.



It's a good read.

Why do this soccer players have huge ass numbers in the FRONT of their shirts as the one they have in the back? This isnt American Football, you know? In soccer many teams dont even have a number in the front and when they do its small and to one side or in the stomach. Not even in the 80s they did!

#nitpicking #americanshatesoccer
 
He was always black Brazilian from his inception for at least a decade following.

In the classic New Mutant / X-Men in Asgard crossovers (with epic artwork by Art Adams), the Warriors Three called him "Shadowskin" for god's sake.

Those two comic book are the reason I like comic books. Love that story so much.
 
White supremacy works so well because it has a sliding scale that adjusts for the community.

If they can't go darker than half white for Storm, who would think they could do so for Roberto?
 
I think they just tried to do a "current" comic incarnation of the character in live action. The fault here lies in Marvel Comics that made his skin "lighter".

Comic origin calls character black. Actor isn't black. Seems pretty open and shut..

But current comic incarnations isn't and it looks like he is based on that incarnation.
 

Ross61

Member
I think they just tried to do a "current" comic incarnation of the character in live action. The fault here lies in Marvel Comics that made his skin "lighter".



But current comic incarnations isn't and it looks like he is based on that incarnation.

Except the current incarnation is black and I posted a page showing that last page.
 

Kuhn

Member

Found a comment in this articles that explain better than what I did the thing about Brazil:

MunnRah said:
So... yeah, as a Brazilian, there is a few things I want to say. Firstly, by my father's family, I'm grand grandson of an african prince, taken as a slave, and a native indian, also taken as a slave. So my grandmother was cafuza, of indian and black mixed race, but as dark skinned as she could be. And then she married an Italian's son. So, my father have brown skin, as also do all of my uncles and aunts, and some of my cousins (but not all). I'm what you could call white, so is my brother, but even then, we are very far from ”North American" white, and more like mediterranean white (olive or golden skinned, but still white). As you can see, over here, it's complicated. There were almost 400 years of slavery, from 1530 to 1888, mostly from the african continent. Also, our portuguese colonists were very, very, for the lack of a better word, lascivous. So, there is 400 years of slavery, and 500 (as it continues today) years of miscigenation. And, that's the thing: there is very, very little ”black" people in Brazil. As there is very, very little ”white" people in Brazil. We're almost all of mixed race in some form or another. And, as a brazilian, I rather have a whiter Brazilian playing a Brazilian, then a brown-skinned mexican playing a Brazilian.
Someone replied with this:
Rahsaan said:
How about neither a light skinned Brazilian or a brown skinned Mexican? And just cast a brown-skinned Afro-Brasileiro? There are plenty of actors who fit the bill in Rio, Salvador, Recife,etc. As for Brazil having very few black people... False. Brazil has more aggregate black people than every nation on Earth aside from Nigeria. Now whether or not they all
so he posted this:
MunnRah said:
Not in the north-american sense of the word, no, there are not a lot o ”black" people in Brazil. Almost all, are of mixed race to some extent (almost, not all, obviously, we still do have some not mixed black or white communities - mostly the german and italian communities in the south of the country, and even some more isolated asian communities - mostly japanese. Brazil is the country with the largest japanese community outside of Japan). Outside of those communities, it's almost impossible to not be of some mixed race being born in Brazil, mulato, moreno, pardo, or having a black or indian parent or grandparent, or grand grandparent, inheriting the skin color or not. What matters to me, at least, as a Brazilian, is that they choose a Brazilian to play to role, not a mexican or a straitgh up Texan, like Overwatch's Lúcio voiceactor. The kid is brazilian after all, he just needs a better tan:

Tag someone as white, black, afroanything in Brazil is complicated.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
Found a comment in this articles that explain better than what I did the thing about Brazil:


Someone replied with this:

so he posted this:


Tag someone as white, black, afroanything in Brazil is complicated.

Does this person not know that a lot of black people in America have white ancestry as well?
 
I think they just tried to do a "current" comic incarnation of the character in live action. The fault here lies in Marvel Comics that made his skin "lighter".



But current comic incarnations isn't and it looks like he is based on that incarnation.

Even if this was true (it isn't), it's like Fox is completely unable to pick another, earlier iteration of the character. That's not a Marvel issue. It's Fox.
 

Sobriquet

Member
The absurdity would almost be watchable. Imagine Chris Pine being insulted like Jackie Robinson was, and played completely straight.

HLLg6sR.png
 
Every time these type of posts pop up I see people asking why it matters...MAAAAAN Brazil has the highest population of African ancestry besides Africa and I know colorism is rampant there. The darker ones are rarely shown and they even snatched a title from someone because of how dark she is. Just wouldve been cool and it wouldve made sense if it was some darker people getting the spot light.

This is the womans story btw
http://www.clutchmagonline.com/2016...ted-its-first-black-globeleza-carnival-queen/


"why does skin tone matter in a culture where colorism is a serious issue"

-yall


This
 

Kid Ying

Member
Racism still is a huge issue in Brazil even though people love to downplay it or deny its existence, claiming that everyone is mixed. But I bet that if we both entered a store, my black Brazilian ass would​ be the one followed by security or ignored by the staff. Fucking bullshit
I don't think it's as big as in other places. It's not even wanting to downplay, i even have my fair share of occurences, but i think my life overall was good and without much problems. Racism here is much more intrinsic, just like you said, being followed by a security guard is awful, but no one will call me names out in the open.
 

Lundren

Banned
I don't think it's as big as in other places. It's not even wanting to downplay, i even have my fair share of occurences, but i think my life overall was good and without much problems. Racism here is much more intrinsic, just like you said, being followed by a security guard is awful, but no one will call me names out in the open.

This is the same argument as always.

It's not racism unless your being called names in public? Fuck that. It's pretty easy to conceal the fact that I didn't give you that job/loan/apartment because you're two shades darker than I'm comfortable with.

There is a problem. Just because you cover your ears and keep telling yourself that it's not as bad as it is in the U.S doesn't change anything.
 

DizzyCrow

Member
I don't think it's as big as in other places. It's not even wanting to downplay, i even have my fair share of occurences, but i think my life overall was good and without much problems. Racism here is much more intrinsic, just like you said, being followed by a security guard is awful, but no one will call me names out in the open.
But that's not better. This kind of people at least have the guts to show how they feel, to second guess every interaction with non-black people and feel foreign and uncomfortable where we are the minority (college, job, etc) is a bit maddening.
 

Madness

Member
I don't think it's as big as in other places. It's not even wanting to downplay, i even have my fair share of occurences, but i think my life overall was good and without much problems. Racism here is much more intrinsic, just like you said, being followed by a security guard is awful, but no one will call me names out in the open.

Brazil is very racist and the country as a whole tries to downplay what they did to the African population as much as possible. Look up official racial whitening policies after the end of abolition in the US. Brazil had thr largest black slave population. A brazil statesman is said to have remarked in the US:

"Now comes the necessity to devise some method of dealing with it [the Negro problem]. You of the United States are keeping the blacks as an entirely separate element, and you are not treating them in a way that fosters their self-respect. They will remain a menacing element in your civilization, permanent, and perhaps even after a while a growing element. With us the question tends to disappear, because the blacks themselves tend to disappear and become absorbed..."

So they forced black women to have sex with and birth white men, sterilized millions of Afro-Brazilian slaves, limited immigration from non-European countries while massivelt increasing European migration, spread propaganda on the 'creation' of a dominant 'mulatto' who had the best of both worlds. The end result was millions of black Brazilians then were ashames of themselves, desired to marry white at all cost. Even to this day, Afro-Brazilians are rarely presented in medi, unless they are a Pele or Anderson Silva type. And their goal of ensuring a dominant 'mixed' aka Brazilian group was achieved. You have not seen the level of eugenics style demographic creation in any country like it was in Brazil.
 

Kid Ying

Member
But that's not better. This kind of people at least have the guts to show how they feel, to second guess every interaction with non-black people and feel foreign and uncomfortable where we are the minority (college, job, etc) is a bit maddening.
I understand where you are coming from, but i disagree. I think being blatant would be much more damaging to me since i don't try to second guess anyone. I guess its just my style. It also helps that most of my life was problem free on this case, which made me a bit gullible. There was only a couple of times that i've actually seen open blatant racism and bizarelly It came from black people against black people.

Brazil is very racist and the country as a whole tries to downplay what they did to the African population as much as possible. Look up official racial whitening policies after the end of abolition in the US. Brazil had thr largest black slave population. A brazil statesman is said to have remarked in the US:

"Now comes the necessity to devise some method of dealing with it [the Negro problem]. You of the United States are keeping the blacks as an entirely separate element, and you are not treating them in a way that fosters their self-respect. They will remain a menacing element in your civilization, permanent, and perhaps even after a while a growing element. With us the question tends to disappear, because the blacks themselves tend to disappear and become absorbed..."

So they forced black women to have sex with and birth white men, sterilized millions of Afro-Brazilian slaves, limited immigration from non-European countries while massivelt increasing European migration, spread propaganda on the 'creation' of a dominant 'mulatto' who had the best of both worlds. The end result was millions of black Brazilians then were ashames of themselves, desired to marry white at all cost. Even to this day, Afro-Brazilians are rarely presented in medi, unless they are a Pele or Anderson Silva type. And their goal of ensuring a dominant 'mixed' aka Brazilian group was achieved. You have not seen the level of eugenics style demographic creation in any country like it was in Brazil.
It's interesting to know something like this. I don't think it's as prevalent these days, but some time ago that thinking was certainly on the minds of lots of black guys.
 

Hopeford

Member
Also just got around to seeing the actual character - uh...okay. At first I thought the article was implying that there were different incarnations of the character, like with Fury, and one of them was whiter. I was like "Okay, fair game casting him, it's kind of...an odd choice, but it's defensible."

Then I got around to seeing posts on this thread about what he actually looks like in current comics and stuff. It's like, he's always been black, and even his current version is black. It's just that occasionally he gets the odd artist who's like "...mixed race, you say? So 100% black or white, no in-between right?" and it looks off.

Like, I'd understand a new version of the character not being black. Totally. But dude's black, always been black, that's been part of his story and everything. From the admittedly little I've known the character, the casting seems...well, not great.

I mean I had mixed feelings when I thought it was a matter of selectively choosing the white version of the character, Fury style. Now that I get that that there isn't a white version of him, just...some selective drawing of the same character, I'm understanding better why this is fucked up. Apologies if I posted anything dismissive here, if I did that was 100% me being dumb and not understanding the issue.
 

Matty77

Member
My interest in this movie has been half and half. For every good statement there is another that has made me think I don't care. This is the final piece making me not care anymore, maybe I'll catch it when HBO runs it but even then maybe not.

I also didn't know that Marvel did it first and even with an unlimited sub I will avoid it, I have no interest in reading that version of sunspot, that's not the bobby I was a fan of, who's racial identity was a strong part of his character.

I usually don't care about color changes of any kind or when adaptions take liberties with characters especially if it is a interesting take or a fresh angle, but bobby was Brazilian, but black, and a mutant. And part of the character was his treatment because of that even coming from a rich and powerful family, but also learning how to take pride in every part of himself regardless of how he was treated for it.

That's my only thoughts on the issue don't want to argue and have no problem with others feeling different I guess, but I now truly have no more interest in the New Mutants movie no matter how good it ends up being.
 
Top Bottom