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TommyT said:
Well that's why it isn't covered.
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Yupp, I get that :p

Just kinda sucks. Luckily I'm fairly careful. Have had my iPhone 4 for over a year without a single scratch (noticeable at least). Cases rock.
 
Enco said:
Yupp, I get that :p

Just kinda sucks. Luckily I'm fairly careful. Have had my iPhone 4 for over a year without a single scratch (noticeable at least). Cases rock.
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Think about it. Over the years of all the phones you've had, how many have you broken? Now you're going to be due for an upgrade in less than a year. If you make it through that period and move on to your next phone, that $99 would have gotten you nothing, and then if you buy another iPhone and get AppleCare+ again, now you're out $198 without ever having used it, and then you'd have to pay another $49 to replace the phone. Thus once you go to a new cycle, you've spent $247 to replace your phone instead of $199. That is why it's a waste of money because you pretty much have to break it every cycle to pay off.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Think about it. Over the years of all the phones you've had, how many have you broken? Now you're going to be due for an upgrade in less than a year. If you make it through that period and move on to your next phone, that $99 would have gotten you nothing, and then if you buy another iPhone and get AppleCare+ again, now you're out $198 without ever having used it, and then you'd have to pay another $49 to replace the phone. Thus once you go to a new cycle, you've spent $247 to replace your phone instead of $199. That is why it's a waste of money because you pretty much have to break it every cycle to pay off.
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That really goes for any kind of insurance, you're betting against something going wrong. Insurance is one of those things you hate until actually need it.
 
Marty, the old AppleCare plan extended the warranty from one year to two. That plan was replaced by this one, which extends the warranty to two years and adds the accident coverage.

The price went from $69 to $99, but again, it's the new plan or nothing. I
 
Marty Chinn said:
Think about it. Over the years of all the phones you've had, how many have you broken? Now you're going to be due for an upgrade in less than a year. If you make it through that period and move on to your next phone, that $99 would have gotten you nothing, and then if you buy another iPhone and get AppleCare+ again, now you're out $198 without ever having used it, and then you'd have to pay another $49 to replace the phone. Thus once you go to a new cycle, you've spent $247 to replace your phone instead of $199. That is why it's a waste of money because you pretty much have to break it every cycle to pay off.
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Yea, that's completely true.

So this new AppleCare plan isn't in the UK?
 
Aske said:
Some of the stories in that thread about the latch scratching the antenna are a bit worrying. Have you noticed this happening with your case?
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I just double checked mine and I don't have a mark. It could have something to do with people pushing the latch in there closing it. I think one of the review videos I watched mentioned that it should go into the hole enough to latch - no extra pressure was needed. So I kept that in mind when I closed it.

I'll keep an eye on it. If anything, I can put a small piece of tape in the spot as added protection.
 
ChanHuk said:
That really goes for any kind of insurance, you're betting against something going wrong. Insurance is one of those things you hate until actually need it.
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The thing with most insurance is it's for a longer duration and if something goes wrong, you likely come out ahead. Say for an example, you buy a $2000 TV and you get the $300 replacement plan on it for say 5 years. If your TV dies, you're replacement is now 1/7th of the cost. Now say you do this every cycle. It takes a number of times that you pay for a replacement plan before it actually costs more than the replacement. With an iPhone, you're paying almost the cost of what it costs to replace and the duration is short. That's the problem.

Tobor said:
Marty, the old AppleCare plan extended the warranty from one year to two. That plan was replaced by this one, which extends the warranty to two years and adds the accident coverage.

The price went from $69 to $99, but again, it's the new plan or nothing. I
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Right, the old one was just extending the warranty to the second year. The new one does that and adds accidental damage. My problem with it is because you have to still pay another $49 after you've bought your coverage to replace your phone, it approaches to almost the cost of not having any coverage at all. The gap between warranty coverage and no warranty coverage is too close for such a short timeframe.
 
eudaemonic said:
I just double checked mine and I don't have a mark. It could have something to do with people pushing the latch in there closing it. I think one of the review videos I watched mentioned that it should go into the hole enough to latch - no extra pressure was needed. So I kept that in mind when I closed it.

I'll keep an eye on it. If anything, I can put a small piece of tape in the spot as added protection.
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That's a relief. Hopefully it's just user error, otherwise there must be some slight variance in the cases people are getting. I'll be cautious the first time I use mine.
 
What's the consensus for leaving your phone plugged in? My battery has been pretty depleted the past few nights and I've just plugged it in and left it in all night. Is that a horrible terrible thing to do?
 
colinp said:
What's the consensus for leaving your phone plugged in? My battery has been pretty depleted the past few nights and I've just plugged it in and left it in all night. Is that a horrible terrible thing to do?
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Nah it's normal. That's perfectly fine.
 
So for someone on the fence, is the 4s really that much better than the 4 ( which i might get) or the 3gs ( which I currently have).
 
Ryck said:
So for someone on the fence, is the 4s really that much better than the 4 ( which i might get) or the 3gs ( which I currently have).
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If you've got a 3GS now, and you have to upgrade now, there really isn't much of a reason to get a 4 over a 4S.
 
Marty Chinn said:
If you've got a 3GS now, and you have to upgrade now, there really isn't much of a reason to get a 4 over a 4S.
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Well I have to get two ( one for myself and my wife) and I can't find a 4S anywhere and I only have like two weeks till I am stuck with the 3GS. So I have to hope a 4s comes into stock before my 30 day window is closed ( just activated the 3gs a few weeks ago)
 
Just took this with the 4S camera app. No auto-enhance, and although HDR was on the non-HDR shot looked better.

I know there are a pile of sample photos in the thread, but what the hell. Wood texture!

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Marty Chinn said:
Think about it. Over the years of all the phones you've had, how many have you broken? Now you're going to be due for an upgrade in less than a year. If you make it through that period and move on to your next phone, that $99 would have gotten you nothing, and then if you buy another iPhone and get AppleCare+ again, now you're out $198 without ever having used it, and then you'd have to pay another $49 to replace the phone. Thus once you go to a new cycle, you've spent $247 to replace your phone instead of $199. That is why it's a waste of money because you pretty much have to break it every cycle to pay off.
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Doesn't AppleCare also cover tech support calls to Apple?
 
First day at Uni with this thing after a full drain and recharge to 100% over night.

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Brightness at about 1/4th with Auto-Brightness On
Bluetooth off
Location Services off
Wi-Fi/3G only on when being used
Airplane Mode was on when I was getting little to no service.

It's not terrible in my opinion, and this is what I expected from flipping through this thread, but it'd be nice if it improves a little after a couple more full drains, considering how much I turned off.
 
The Lamonster said:
I am really sick of my Otterbox Impact case. It's a dust/hair/lint magnet and I can never keep it totally clean.

However, I do like the coverage, shape and rubbery texture. I absolutely love the way it feels. Any alternative rubbery-style case recommendations that don't attract dust/hair/lint?
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My friend has one those. Absolutely gargantuan. No thanks.
 
Marty Chinn said:
The way I understand it is, AppleCare is 1 year of warranty in case anything fails that looks like it's due to the fault of the parts or construction of the phone and in no part your fault. AppleCare+ gives you an additional year of that coverage and covers you for damage that you cause to the phone within that two year period. So you're paying for one additional year plus accidental coverage.

Now the way most electronics work is that a failure is likely to occur within the first couple of months. I think 60 days is the period. If you make it past that, it's unlikely parts are just going to fail anytime in the near future. The highest failure rate is early in the life of the device. That's not to say that nothing can't go wrong, just your odds are extremely lower. Since you're covered for a full year anyway, if you don't break by the end of the year, I would imagine anything that's going to go wrong is going to be due to something you did to the phone rather than the phone itself just failing on its own.
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Is that still true for portable devices? I would assume they tend to get more wear and tear and thus have a higher chance of failing later on. I've always eventually had some sort of issue with all the laptops I have owned. It's why I always buy an extended warranty with them now.
 
Do any of you iPhone owning J-Gaffers know if there's any way to use the iPhone's personal hotspot option if you're going through Softbank.

I own a 4s and a first gen wi-fi iPad and I'd like to know if I can tether them. But is not looking likely. :b
 
Sorry if this has been answered, but what are peoples thoughts on the Apple bumper? I hear from some people it scratches the band(probably dust and stuff trapped inside), but from others I hear it is great.
 
Vilix said:
Doesn't AppleCare also cover tech support calls to Apple?
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Sure, but how often are you calling tech support for your phone? Have you ever called tech support for your phone before? You still can go to the Apple store and in many cases they'll debug your issue depending on what it is. Maybe if it was a Macbook support might be useful but your phone?

quadriplegicjon said:
Is that still true for portable devices? I would assume they tend to get more wear and tear and thus have a higher chance of failing later on. I've always eventually had some sort of issue with all the laptops I have owned. It's why I always buy an extended warranty with them now.
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Ya it's still true. Heck even more true most likely. Remember your laptop has a lot more moving parts to it in many cases so there is a lot more that can go wrong. But hell, I've never had a laptop fail on me within three years, let alone two. I even carry that with me in a backpack wherever I go. Think of all your portable electronics like iPods, PSP, Gameboy, Nintendo DS, etc. How many of them failed within two years?

Fraull said:
Sorry if this has been answered, but what are peoples thoughts on the Apple bumper? I hear from some people it scratches the band(probably dust and stuff trapped inside), but from others I hear it is great.
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My wife has one and hated it for awhile but now just sorta lives with it. Some swear by it. The bumper is prone to losing its snug fit over time, and it obstructs the headphone jack and dock port from a lot of things fitting. The obstruction is the most annoying part of it though.
 
The 4S is releasing in Denmark tomorrow and I got my order in yesterday when sales opened. It still hasn't shipped though (5 PM here) so I doubt I'll have it tomorrow :( Oh well, Monday it is then :D I can't wait!! Coming from a 3GS and it's starting to feel quite sluggish after installing iOS5.
 
They are selling the iPhone 4S at midnight already.
Telia have 600 phones and 3 have 200, and they go to those who line up, the rest will be sent out to those on the waiting list.

I'm actually thinking of lining up to get my mother an iPhone but I probably won't, what am I supposed to do in the cold weather for six hours. =p
 
Anyone on a VZW family plan have the hotspot feature? Just wondering if it's a monthly fee per phone or if it's per plan and everyone can use it.
 
So I contacted Switch Easy about a return (or straight-up exchange for a Nude case) last night since I was a little discouraged that the Vulcan case I bought was bowing out at the sides due to too tight a fit.

This morning, I got an email telling me to keep the case I had purchased and that they'd send the Nude case I wanted to exchange it for at no extra cost. - they even had it expressed shipped. That's some serious customer service...and that's how you make a lifelong customer out of me!
 
JasonMCG said:
So I contacted Switch Easy about a return (or straight-up exchange for a Nude case) last night since I was a little discouraged that the Vulcan case I bought was bowing out at the sides due to too tight a fit.

This morning, I got an email telling me to keep the case I had purchased and that they'd send the Nude case I wanted to exchange it for at no extra cost. - they even had it expressed shipped. That's some serious customer service...and that's how you make a lifelong customer out of me!
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I love customer service stories like this. That's awesome.
 
JasonMCG said:
So I contacted Switch Easy about a return (or straight-up exchange for a Nude case) last night since I was a little discouraged that the Vulcan case I bought was bowing out at the sides due to too tight a fit.

This morning, I got an email telling me to keep the case I had purchased and that they'd send the Nude case I wanted to exchange it for at no extra cost. - they even had it expressed shipped. That's some serious customer service...and that's how you make a lifelong customer out of me!
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I have the slight bowing on my Vulcan....do you think I should try this?

How'd you email them? Just the "Contact Us" button?
 
The Lamonster said:
Any other suggestions?
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How about the Incipio NGP?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003SX0P1A/?tag=neogaf0e-20

It does not attract any lint. Offers great protection, not plastic. If you have Normal man hands, it offers more coverage so it doesn't feel like it will slip out of your hands.

You can also buy it from Walmart for $20. That way you can be sure you are getting the newer version with the slightly bigger mute button opening.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13725140&postcount=48
 
JackEtc said:
I have the slight bowing on my Vulcan....do you think I should try this?

How'd you email them? Just the "Contact Us" button?
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Yeah just use the Contact Us. If it was me, I'd contact them...pretty sure it's a design defect with the case being a teensy bit narrow.
 
Epix said:
Preordered on the 8th, still hasn't shipped. Thanks AT&T.
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I have a friend that did on the 7th through At&T and she's mad. Says they wont cancel her pre-order or something.

So, should you guys be entitled to have it shipped?

If you did get them to cancel is there a way to get it faster? Best Buy, Apple Store, whatever?
 
Epix said:
Preordered on the 8th, still hasn't shipped. Thanks AT&T.
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when i ordered on the 17th the message from at&t said it would be 21-28 days but since you preordered yours i would have thought you would have had it by now. I'm hoping mine doesnt take any longer then 28 days my 3g is dying, i use to have a few dead pixels now i have 4 giant lines across the screen and home button hasnt worked for months.
 
DeathNote said:
I have a friend that did on the 7th through At&T and she's mad. Says they wont cancel her pre-order or something.

So, should you guys be entitled to have it shipped?

If you did get them to cancel is there a way to get it faster? Best Buy, Apple Store, whatever?
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Let me tell you my saga. I preordered on Monday and was told about the customary wait. I go with my wife to get her Macbook Air from the Apple Store and they have the white 32G Iphone 4S in stock. I immediately wanted it instead of waiting, so I head down to the corporate store and they tell me they can't cancel the pre-order blah blah. They do suggest that since I have a second line that is upgradable(wifeys) that I get it on her line, swap sim cards and just return the 4S when it arrives from AT&T. I get excited, head down to AT&T and they swap cards and the system won't let them do it. I talk to the manager and she says they can't do it either because of a system issue. I call AT&T customer care tell them I just want to use the Iphone I bought from the Apple Store and they tell me to go to the original store to do what I wanted to do. So, my journey continues where it started. I get there, tell the manager the situation and she says "no problem, not sure why they had you come back to this store." The associate, who isn't the manager, understands this and yet cannot get it to upgrade in the system. Manager comes out, gets on the phone with AT&T customer care and FINALLY gets the phone on my old line.

Now, I just wait for the other 4S to arrive and get my refund. Well worth it so far, as I had the 3S previously.
 
Marleyman said:
Let me tell you my saga. I preordered on Monday and was told about the customary wait. I go with my wife to get her Macbook Air from the Apple Store and they have the white 32G Iphone 4S in stock. I immediately wanted it instead of waiting, so I head down to the corporate store and they tell me they can't cancel the pre-order blah blah. They do suggest that since I have a second line that is upgradable(wifeys) that I get it on her line, swap sim cards and just return the 4S when it arrives from AT&T. I get excited, head down to AT&T and they swap cards and the system won't let them do it. I talk to the manager and she says they can't do it either because of a system issue. I call AT&T customer care tell them I just want to use the Iphone I bought from the Apple Store and they tell me to go to the original store to do what I wanted to do. So, my journey continues where it started. I get there, tell the manager the situation and she says "no problem, not sure why they had you come back to this store." The associate, who isn't the manager, understands this and yet cannot get it to upgrade in the system. Manager comes out, gets on the phone with AT&T customer care and FINALLY gets the phone on my old line.

Now, I just wait for the other 4S to arrive and get my refund. Well worth it so far, as I had the 3S previously.
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Damn.

So, what do you lose for returning it? Restocking fee and both phones being locked into a new contract?
 
Got a question:

Is the metal (aluminum?) siding on the iPhone the same as my magic mouse and MacBook pro? The same metal paint that eventually starts to peel in some spots by touching it for a while?

My magic mouse paint is scratching off just by having my hand on it for a year and my old MacBook pro also had a spot where I rested my wrist beside the touchpad that started to peel.

It's usually about a year of use when it starts to happen.

Apple uses some cheap paint or something.
 
DeathNote said:
Damn.

So, what do you lose for returning it? Restocking fee and both phones being locked into a new contract?
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Yeah, it sucked. I just lose the $300.00 bucks until the Iphone arrives from AT&T and then I refund it.
 
criesofthepast said:
Got a question:

Is the metal (aluminum?) siding on the iPhone the same as my magic mouse and MacBook pro? The same metal paint that eventually starts to peel in some spots by touching it for a while?

My magic mouse paint is scratching off just by having my hand on it for a year and my old MacBook pro also had a spot where I rested my wrist beside the touchpad that started to peel.

It's usually about a year of use when it starts to happen.

Apple uses some cheap paint or something.
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It's not the same, but it has a finish on it that does wear off (at least with a bumper being used). It holds up better naked, I believe.
 
Husker86 said:
It's not the same, but it has a finish on it that does wear off (at least with a bumper being used). It holds up better naked, I believe.
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Cool thanks. I'd think using naked would speed up the peeling due to perspiration from your hands but I don't know. I'm naked for now and loving it. If it does start to peel i'll swap it at an apple store.
 
criesofthepast said:
Cool thanks. I'd think using naked would speed up the peeling due to perspiration from your hands but I don't know. I'm naked for now and loving it. If it does start to peel i'll swap it at an apple store.
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It's actually stainless steel not aluminum.
 
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