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iPhone 8 Is World's Fastest Phone (It's Not Even Close)
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Because it cuts to their identity. Some people are so wrapped up in this shit that their choice of phone is part of who they are. When someone claims the opposing phone may be better, in some way, than the phone they prefer, it may as well be a personal insult, and it cannot stand.
Jazzy Network
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This thread is embarrassing. Dick measuring contest in the form of phones.
NinjaBoiX
Member
Basically.
"My phone can lift 200kg."
"Oh yeah? Well mine can lift 300kg!"
"Guys, none of the boxes weigh more than 50kg..."
LordOfChaos
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Canklestank
Neo Member
Wow, I wish we had this kind of progress on Android... QC needs some competition.
Anyone have any idea how this compares to an i5 2500K? Because I'm pretty sure that would do worse in the 4K test.
Anyone have any idea how this compares to an i5 2500K? Because I'm pretty sure that would do worse in the 4K test.
LordOfChaos
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Will be interesting to see if Googles home spun SoC is the kind of thing that can spur that competition.
From everything I see the 2500K is pretty close to the A11 which is pretty amazing. A11 slightly better per core, 2500K still takes an advantage multicore, but they're in the same ballpark.
Jazzy Network
Member
The A chip doesn't give them competition. They are literally a monopoly in the CDMA modem competition. There is an extraordinary patent fine for anyone who uses all in one SoC for CDMA.
Of course they compete. How could it possibly make sense that they dont?
Jazzy Network
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Because it doesn't seem like QC cares.
They obviously care. They literally cant not care.
I dont really understand what youre getting at here.
MercuryLS3
Junior Member
Who else are Android phone makers going to use? Mediatek? They can't license an A-series chip from Apple.
There is enough money and market share at stake, and plenty of companies with the capabilities, to make it suicidal for Qualcomm to simply count on no one else eating their lunch if they fall too far behind.
Phone manufacturers are competing with Apple so Qualcomm has to, to.
Jazzy Network
Member
They care enough to be ok. Theyre not exactly worried enough to try any harder than currently are.
Anyone here a Sprint customer who's waiting on an online pre-order? I placed my order the minute the page went live overnight on the 15th. It was supposed to ship by 9/22. Then 9/25. Last night it changed from 9/27-10/6. Today that number moved again by one day.
I spoke to customer service and they claimed they haven't gotten their shipments yet from Apple. That sounds ridiculous. What the fuck is going on over there?
I spoke to customer service and they claimed they haven't gotten their shipments yet from Apple. That sounds ridiculous. What the fuck is going on over there?
BlastProcessing
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One thing to keep in mind is thermals. The iPhone's SOC is only going to be able to run at run bore for a short time before it has to throttle back due to heat. Your 2500K can just keep plugging away.
If they were both runners, the iPhone would win a 100M race and maybe the 200M, but would lose the 400M and fall over gasping if it tries the 800M.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
OK I am thoroughly confused. Can someone explain these benchmarks, because the links you give have
iPhone 7
Graphics test 1
24 FPS
Graphics test 2
9 FPS
Physics test part 1
26 FPS
Physics test part 2
9 FPS
Physics test part 3
6 FPS
Galaxy s8+
Graphics test 1
25 FPS
Graphics test 2
14 FPS
Physics test part 1
53 FPS
Physics test part 2
30 FPS
Physics test part 3
16 FPS
And you are saying that the iphone 7 wins this? So lower framerates are better?
Edit:
Ah I see ice storm unlimited. So you are saying that the tests running at 300-600 fps are the real world examples of performance and the tests running at 10-60 fps are artificial.
Can your camera edit those pictures or videos directly on the device? No? See, we're talking about completely different things.
People claim this real world performance test makes sense since you can shoot the footage and edit it on the same device which is fair enough. In that case it would make sense to be able to see the footage in its source resolution.
Look, I only brought it up because this back and forth between Apple and Android is quite frankly amusing.
I have absolutely no stake in how this discussion ends since the only time I record a video on my phone is for a few minutes during a concert and then I delete that footage after watching it once. No need to edit anything so I'm not really the target audience here.
These days all flagship phones have enough power for perfectly fine real world performance. That's why I mainly focus on the design of a phone when I upgrade.
If 4K editing is a thing someone wants to do on their phone then their choice is absolutely clear.
Unless you lack reading comprehension or just want to do a drive-by, thats not accurate at all.
This thread has been nothing but one troll (now banned) consistently moving goalposts and shitting up the thread. All the people responding to him presented facts and backed up what they were saying. If that constitutes dick measuring in your book, then frankly your book is shitty.
And not to forget all the other details and downplays, does it do torrents, who needs video editing, this benchmark is irrelevant, DXO is irrelevant and so on.
Sure if you're upgrading every year then real world performance is fine, but the better performing phone is going to last longer if you decided to keep that device. So while it may only be a second or so difference now... That may not be the case when your new phone is not so new anymore.
Theonik
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You underestimate the costs involved. The only reason Apple can afford to do it is because they ship over 200m iPhones a year plus all the other devices using the A series. Only other company bothering to design their own is Samsung. The market can't really sustain that many players in that field.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
As soon as my friends & coworkers get their iphones ; ) As I personally don't keep up with the latest iphones for personal use, and I spend the better part of my 'gadget money' on other hw already.
MarkMclovin
Member
Great.
So Instagram, Twitter and Safari will load up a few ms faster than the last phone.
Definitely worth the money.
So Instagram, Twitter and Safari will load up a few ms faster than the last phone.
Definitely worth the money.
People always say stuff like this but Apple has the advantage of being able to use the full extent of the hardware to drive new features that normal people use. Portrait mode and the new Portrait lighting effects are the perfect example of this, rendering live depth of field and 3D mapping lighting effects right in the camera app cannot be cheap
It also allows the device to be relevant for a bit longer too.
I actually really appreciate Apple's stance sometimes to incorporate some high-level tech to do really simple things, but do them well and efficiently. A lot of the tech they incorporate sometimes seems like overkill, but there;s usually a purpose.
The more power, the more ambitious apps we'll get on iPhone and iPads. I'm talking about AR or desktop apps. This power is a prerequisite.
BlastProcessing
Member
Those Apps would not have been possible on phones 15 years ago. Back then, when more powerful phones came out, did you say:
Great.
So Phone Calls, Texts, and Snake will load up a few ms faster than the last phone.
Definitely worth the money.
Ok so Qualcomm can sputter along with no concerns and nothing will happen because they arent competing with Apple.
Sir Abacus
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There's plenty of players in the SoC market that are indeed competing with Qualcomm. Just off the top of my head, Huawei, Rockchip, HiSilicon, MediaTek. All of these are SoCs that are in shipping phones and tablets today.
yes? The camera can do basic editing in camera if you want.
You are obviously not the target audience since you have no idea what you are talking about. When editing video you almost never are looking at 1:1 pixels, esp with 4k, you need to be able to see timelines, other clips, effects, color scopes ect. Generally for speed on a weaker PC you will generate proxy 720p footage to edit with. Once you are done and render your movie it switches to 4k.
This is my typical layout when editing 4k on a 2560 x 1440 monitor
No. You're not allowed to be nice in a thread about phones.
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Deleted member 17706
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Yep, that's all anyone ever does on their phones.
I mean, Reds bringing out a holographic phone, Samsung is pushing VR, and Apple just launched AR Kit for iOS. Look how much the cell phone industry changed the past 10 years, you dont think itll change in 10 more?
Plus more power allows smoother future iOS updates.
CrimsonSquall
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Smug hyperbole at its finest
ersocaster
Member
This isn't even accurate.
Benchmarks between phones itself is the problem.
Android is an open platform, iOS isn't. It's like comparing benchmarks between a PC and console. One has a small number of configurations, one has a near limitless set. Not to mention the phone that these kinds of things are optimized for - Samsung devices - are so full of bloat that it's not even funny. Even refreshed devices, which is how they test, Samsung devices have extreme bloat.
These sites aren't even giving you accurate data. Join XDA. See what kind of performance people get out of rooted Android devices. See what the hardware is capable of once you remove bloat. Then come back and realize what a disservice these kinds of tests are between devices.
Benchmarks between stock phones is useful because 95% of buyers will be using them in that state.
Benchmarks of the same device rooted to eliminate all bloat are also useful for a variety of reasons, especially to find out what modifications have the largest practical impact.
That all said, what does a rooted/cleaned up Note 8 benchmark?
What are the numbers?
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Deleted member 17706
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No. No one will do this outside of a few hardcore enthusiasts who are only interested in hardcore overclocking and benchmarking.
The silicon in the bodies might be fine, but that doesn't mean a goddamn thing to consumers looking to buy a new phone.
SmackCrackleNPop
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show us the numbers. I want to be blown away by Android performance once the bloat is removed
BlastProcessing
Member
If that were true, Palm would still be around. I'll see you at the crossroads, WebOS.
Funny enough all the swipe motions on the iPhone x sure do look similar to web OS lol
Theonik
Member
They still have competitors in the Android space so they can't afford to just stop developing and their customers are constantly demanding better designs, but they are all considerably smaller.
None of these are looking to take over Qualcomm overnight, they can't afford to fall behind but at the same time the market can only support a handful of them and to be able to keep up with the rate of improvement people want you need to ship really high volumes. This is why most high-end manufacturers are sticking with QC more than anything.
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Deleted member 17706
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Once you get rid of what makes Android Android, the hardware really screams!
Hell of a selling point for Android phones.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G669OgskM0
I assume as the video says that IOS11 needs optimization regarding the RAM management? Seems weird that an Ophone 7 with 2gb on IOS10 has no issues with RAM running the same test.
I assume as the video says that IOS11 needs optimization regarding the RAM management? Seems weird that an Ophone 7 with 2gb on IOS10 has no issues with RAM running the same test.
Yes, apparently I'm not the target audience. However, there is a big difference between basic editing directly on a camera and a full editing suite like you are using. Sorry I didn't spell that out.
But I'm pretty sure full on 4K video editing is not going to be the main benchmark for what the iPhone 8/X target audience looks like. Surely you must agree with me here.
Instagram doesn't support 4K, right?
killatopak
Member
I still use my crappy Z3 with broken wifi module. Even then, I don't have much use for the power it has much less with how amazing this new processor the Iphone has. I wonder who benefits with such an increase on smart phones?
Maybe slap it into a mac.
Maybe slap it into a mac.