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[DarkJC]

And if i'm on Rogers without a smartphone? since im upgrading plans and paying them more money maybe I get a lower price? Plus i am eligible for 1 yr upgrade.

If you have no smartphone and you're 1 year since your last upgrade you can get an iPhone for the lowest pricing, $99/$199/$299

edit: and if I could get the 3GS for the lowest prices, I definitely would. As it stands, my pricing would be 449/549, so I think I'll wait until next year.

Those looking to try and add $xx to their bills to fool the system, don't bother. Not only is it average revenue, I believe it's calculated the same way their revenue for HUPs is, where they don't include the last 1 or 2 monthly bills.

 

[Lord Error]

Myself, I'm still not sure. $300 for the 32 sounds nice, and I'd still have my old iPhone, but...well, it feels like going down the PSP Go road. Plus, what happens to 3GS upgraders next July?

Next July we probably get OLED screen, which is fantastic, but I'm not waiting a whole year for that. It's not PSP Go situation by any measure though. The unit is physically the same in this case (as opposed to PSP Go) but the hardware inside is significantly beefed up, which again is not the case with PSP Go.

I have used 3GS for a few minutes today, and it's like a night and day difference in speed responsiveness, no joking. I felt like I didn't have to wait the device to respond to any input I gave it, very refreshing compared to my 1st gen Touch, which now feels kinda sluggish. Games also ran ridiculously better/smoother. Zen Bound which I tried with some of the levels that ran at 20-25FPS at most on my Touch, ran at damn near constant 60FPS on 3GS.

 

[neojubei]

http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/06/18/lines-form-for-the-new-iphone-in-new-york-and-tokyo/

Already a line in Tokyo. :lol



ooooohhh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orYoOBUYHco

 

[Firestorm]

Myself, I'm still not sure. $300 for the 32 sounds nice, and I'd still have my old iPhone, but...well, it feels like going down the PSP Go road. Plus, what happens to 3GS upgraders next July?

I guess it will have to depend on what kind of zoo robson is tomorrow. :/

Yeah, I'm waiting until next year. Might stick with iPhone or even go BlackBerry or Android.

 

[Crazymoogle]

Next July we probably get OLED screen, which is fantastic, but I'm not waiting a whole year for that. It's not PSP Go situation by any measure though. The unit is physically the same in this case (as opposed to PSP Go) but the hardware inside is significantly beefed up, which again is not the case with PSP Go.

I have used 3GS for a few minutes today, and it's like a night and day difference in speed responsiveness, no joking. I felt like I didn't have to wait the device to respond to any input I gave it, very refreshing compared to my 1st gen Touch, which now feels kinda sluggish. Games also ran ridiculously better/smoother. Zen Bound which I tried with some of the levels that ran at 20-25FPS at most on my Touch, ran at damn near constant 60FPS on 3GS.

I know, it's not a direct analogy to the Go (which is more of a cosmetic/usability change), but I meant from the aspect of, what is really in there that's worth $300? I love my iPhone 3G, and I'm terrible enough with maps to value the compass on Google Maps to be worth $100 right there...but I'm not really sure that the performance versus the 3G is enough to cover the rest. Did somebody do a Safari loading comparison or something I could look at?

Games...well, there won't be anything CL2 only for awhile; to be honest I just don't game enough on the iPhone to really need that part. Video/Audio/iTunes/Safari are by far the apps I use the most. I'm still tempted (particularly with this damned deadline) but I'd hate to be left out for next year's product...

And note to apple: could somebody give us a better skin for Notes? Please? The font is just horrible...

 

[Bowser]

Yeah, as an OG iPhone owner, I'm just going to wait until next July. I'm a little miffed that things such as Voice Control and Video weren't included on the original iPhone considering they're pretty basic on many phones, but oh well, what can you do? Every time I considered upgrading to the 3G (3GS now), I thought about the extra $120 a year I'd have to spend to move from Edge to 3G when AT&T's 3G is such shit that I decided I could hold off and keep my upgrade status until a truly revolutionary iPhone revision came out.

 

[DjangoReinhardt]

Well, 3.0 is great. The lack of MMS (rot in hell, AT&T) and landscape keyboards in a couple of key apps were my biggest gripes with the iPhone.

Apple needs to address the alerts in the next iPhone hardware refresh and firmware - it just doesn't do enough to let me know an email has arrived, that I've missed a call, etc. There needs to be a dedicated status light and more robust audio options (starting with making the "slide to unlock" screen more useful).

 

[Sean]

I know, it's not a direct analogy to the Go (which is more of a cosmetic/usability change), but I meant from the aspect of, what is really in there that's worth $300? I love my iPhone 3G, and I'm terrible enough with maps to value the compass on Google Maps to be worth $100 right there...but I'm not really sure that the performance versus the 3G is enough to cover the rest. Did somebody do a Safari loading comparison or something I could look at?

Check out the Gizmodo review, they've got a side by side video with the iPhone 3G and 3GS. Loading apps is significantly faster (The Sims 3 on 3GS completely loaded while the 3G was still on the first EA splash screen) and the web browser seems much faster

http://gizmodo.com/5293388/iphone-3gs-review

edit: and the camera difference is pretty huge too -

 

[DarkJC]

Well, 3.0 is great. The lack of MMS (rot in hell, AT&T) and landscape keyboards in a couple of key apps were my biggest gripes with the iPhone.

Apple needs to address the alerts in the next iPhone hardware refresh and firmware - it just doesn't do enough to let me know an email has arrived, that I've missed a call, etc. There needs to be a dedicated status light and more robust audio options (starting with making the "slide to unlock" screen more useful).

I don't know if I agree with a dedicated status light, but yeah, the lock screen seems like it could be made way more useful.

The notifications (the text alerts) system needs to be redone, but I'm not sure how they could redo it without it feeling like it's shoehorned into the current layout.

 

[SnakeXs]

The camera example is sort of unfair, to be honest. Yes AF is great, but the 3G's camera is set to one focal distance, which is around where most people will take pictures (like of friends). Once you deviate from that distance it gets worse. Shoving something that close in is as extreme as can be, and not at all an example of your average photo quality.

 

[Vyer]

The camera example is sort of unfair, to be honest. Yes AF is great, but the 3G's camera is set to one focal distance, which is around where most people will take pictures (like of friends). Once you deviate from that distance it gets worse. Shoving something that close in is as extreme as can be, and not at all an example of your average photo quality.

Isn't that the point, though? The GS' autofocus ability? It would seem like a positive that it can make that adjustment while the 3G can't, and a perfect example of the improvement that might make it worth it to some.

 

[DarkJC]

The camera example is sort of unfair, to be honest. Yes AF is great, but the 3G's camera is set to one focal distance, which is around where most people will take pictures (like of friends). Once you deviate from that distance it gets worse. Shoving something that close in is as extreme as can be, and not at all an example of your average photo quality.

The comparison is comparing two up close shots. That is what the photo will look like on each camera. Why would anyone think that it's a comparison of average photo quality at all? Not to mention it was taken in a review just as a demonstration of the auto focus, which it accomplishes quite well. I don't get it.

 

[SnakeXs]

Isn't that the point, though? The GS' autofocus ability? It would seem like a positive that it can make that adjustment while the 3G can't, and a perfect example of the improvement that might make it worth it to some.

But how many macro pictures do people try and take with their phones? Yes it's what that photo looks like, but the gains for a normal, posed friends/feet away distance shot won't be close to that.

Again, AF is great, I'm just pointing out that you won't being seeing that difference for all pictures.

 

[jonnybryce]

I think it's fair...I see what you're saying, but there is a difference between the cameras and that is an example of it. Fair comparison. The fact that close ups aren't the average picture setup doesn't change the fact that there is that big of a difference for them.

 

[Vyer]

But how many macro pictures do people try and take with their phones? Yes it's what that photo looks like, but the gains for a normal, posed friends/feet away distance shot won't be close to that.

Again, AF is great, I'm just pointing out that you won't being seeing that difference for all pictures.

I don't think it really matters how many of those types of pictures people take, it's just merely showing a comparison. Essentially - here is something you can do much better with the new phone. Simple as that.

Obviously there will be some improvement on your 'average' picture, but if you want someone to appreciate the various changes that have been made, you have to show them.

Or, what Dark and Jonny said

 

[kaching]

But how many macro pictures do people try and take with their phones?

Umm, it's like one of the main things I'd like to do with the iPhone's camera. snap quick pics of something I see while I'm out and want to look up later. If I'm in a situation where I actually want to snap pictures of people, I'd rather use a dedicated camera for that in order to get best quality possible. What I'm seeing in that comparison definitely makes me glad I'm upgrading to the 3GS.

 

[Crazymoogle]

Argh...could care less about those game loading times, but safari...ah...and I am in an obvious 7.2mbps area...hmm...damn comparisons! :lol

 

[jonnybryce]

Goodnight Gaf, good luck tomorrow!

 

[Sean]

But how many macro pictures do people try and take with their phones? Yes it's what that photo looks like, but the gains for a normal, posed friends/feet away distance shot won't be close to that.

Again, AF is great, I'm just pointing out that you won't being seeing that difference for all pictures.

The comparison was only to show that the 3GS camera is capable of performing close-up shots while the same thing on the iPhone 3G camera would result in a blurry mess. I'm sure everyone knows the difference won't be that drastic when taking pictures of friends standing a few feet away.

I can think of quite a few scenarios where you'd want to take a macro shot with your phone. For example snapping a picture of price tags (or furniture dimensions) in a store. Some people like to take pictures of their plate of food at restaurants. Geeks like to show off their gadget "unboxing" photos. The improved camera would also open the door to things like a Delicious Library barcode scanning app for iPhone. I think it's a significant upgrade if you take a lot of pictures with the iPhone camera.

 

[Lord Error]

Argh...could care less about those game loading times, but safari...ah...and I am in an obvious 7.2mbps area...hmm...damn comparisons! :lol

It's not just the loading times. Games and everything else runs so much better. Framerates are like night and day in stuff I've tried.

 

[AVclub]

Yay! AT&T says my stuff has shipped! Can't wait to get my hands on the new hotness.

 

[Gary Whitta]

I wonder what the lines will be like tomorrow. Something tells me it won't be as chaotic as the 1G and 2G lines, but I've been wrong before.

 

[futnownarcade]

Will I lose my text messages from my original iPhone 60/month plan if I purchase the 3Gs? The 60 bucks in taxes, 16 dollar activation fee, and extra 10/month is just all too much for speed.

 

[xsarien]

Next July we probably get OLED screen, which is fantastic, but I'm not waiting a whole year for that. It's not PSP Go situation by any measure though. The unit is physically the same in this case (as opposed to PSP Go) but the hardware inside is significantly beefed up, which again is not the case with PSP Go.

I have used 3GS for a few minutes today, and it's like a night and day difference in speed responsiveness, no joking. I felt like I didn't have to wait the device to respond to any input I gave it, very refreshing compared to my 1st gen Touch, which now feels kinda sluggish. Games also ran ridiculously better/smoother. Zen Bound which I tried with some of the levels that ran at 20-25FPS at most on my Touch, ran at damn near constant 60FPS on 3GS.

An OLED screen on a 3rd gen iPod Touch would have me buying on day 1. Well, okay. An OLED screen and a capacity bump.

 

[Corwood Rep]

So, found out today I can't get a subsidized iPhone until August of next year. That got me thinking long-term.

Without being too much of a rumor mill bitch, what do you guys think the odds are of a 64GB capacity bump in next year's model? On the one hand, it would make sense given Apple's regular storage increases, but on the other, I suspect a 64GB flash chip or two 32GB flash chips would both be assballs expensive.

 

[SnakeXs]

So, found out today I can't get a subsidized iPhone until August of next year. That got me thinking long-term.

Without being too much of a rumor mill bitch, what do you guys think the odds are of a 64GB capacity bump in next year's model? On the one hand, it would make sense given Apple's regular storage increases, but on the other, I suspect a 64GB flash chip or two 32GB flash chips would both be assballs expensive.

I'd say it's pretty likely. Memory's screaming and there's nothing in the way of it slowing down. I'd say if the Touch goes up to 64 you'll be pretty safe for next year.

 

[Crazymoogle]

I'd say it's pretty likely. Memory's screaming and there's nothing in the way of it slowing down. I'd say if the Touch goes up to 64 you'll be pretty safe for next year.

Well, die shrinks are in the way of capacity increases, so it does take a little while without adding 200+ to the cost. :lol That being said, USB keys are now available in 128GB capacity, so yeah, 64GB is not totally out of the realm of possibility for the next iPhone.

 

[Chittagong]

Pictures from London launch via Engadget. Will go to the Regent Street Apple store in the afternoon to check it out myself.

and someone in Engadget comments

Also Apple just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about European culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an asshole and selling overpriced outdated crap. If you screw someone over in Europe, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the European public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase iphone 3GS, nor will they purchase any of Apple's Products anymore. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but apple has alienated an entire market with iphone 3GS release.

Apple, publicly apologize and cancel iphone 3GS or you can kiss your business goodbye

 

[xsarien]

Pictures from London launch via Engadget. Will go to the Regent Street Apple store in the afternoon to check it out myself.

and someone in Engadget comments

...after hearing about this...

After hearing about what?

I'd say it's pretty likely. Memory's screaming and there's nothing in the way of it slowing down. I'd say if the Touch goes up to 64 you'll be pretty safe for next year.

I'd hedge that bet a little. The iPhone capacity bumps aren't as immediate as the Touch.

 

[Blackhead]

and someone in Engadget comments

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x200/lc_finer/keyboardemojiver220_896e36e.png

Was the original Sony comment on GAF? Anybody got a link?

 

[Marty Chinn]

After hearing about what?

Someone didn't get the funny That's a GAF meme or in other words

GAF->Engadget->GAF

 

[xabre]

Does the 3G have voice control or is that only 3GS?

Also looking forward to upgrading next year.

 

[Tobor]

My local Apple store opens in less than 2 hours and I'm debating waiting in line. I wish I knew how many people were down there.

 

[StuBurns]

Does the 3G have voice control or is that only 3GS?

Also looking forward to upgrading next year.

I believe it's 3GS only, I have the 3.0 update on my 3G and there doesn't appear to be any voice control.

 

[Keylime]

My local Apple store opens in less than 2 hours and I'm debating waiting in line. I wish I knew how many people were down there.

That's pretty much where I am at the moment.

I can't believe I'm honestly considering shelling out 700 bucks for this thing, but I've kind of justified it in my mind by telling myself that by doing it this way, I won't lock myself in with AT&T for another two years. With my contract expiring right around the time of the NEXT iPhone release, I can jump carriers if we're so lucky as to get Verizon on board by then.

The thought of signing another 2 year contract with AT&T kind of sickens me.

 

[Cmdr. Solrak]

It's 5:30am here in chi-town. 3 people in front of me at an AT&T store on the northwest side. Here we go again!

 

[subrock]

Syncing seems to take longer in 3.0. This also happened with 2.0 but they sped it up with subsequent releases.

i think facebook owned up to the fact that it was them making it take forever. mine is slower too.

 

[Tobor]

That's pretty much where I am at the moment.

I can't believe I'm honestly considering shelling out 700 bucks for this thing, but I've kind of justified it in my mind by telling myself that by doing it this way, I won't lock myself in with AT&T for another two years. With my contract expiring right around the time of the NEXT iPhone release, I can jump carriers if we're so lucky as to get Verizon on board by then.

The thought of signing another 2 year contract with AT&T kind of sickens me.

I'm still rocking a 2G original so I get the full upgrade. I guess I'm driving down there.

 

[The Elite]

Check out the Gizmodo review, they've got a side by side video with the iPhone 3G and 3GS. Loading apps is significantly faster (The Sims 3 on 3GS completely loaded while the 3G was still on the first EA splash screen) and the web browser seems much faster

http://gizmodo.com/5293388/iphone-3gs-review

edit: and the camera difference is pretty huge too -

Did they put Vaseline on the 3G camera? It doesn't look that bad.

 

[6.8]

Am I the only one having some issues with OS 3.0? They're not major, but the snappy is gone for me on my iphone 3g. Example: While playing music skipping songs doesn't update the album art for a good 3 seconds.

I saw some people with their touch and they don't have that issue.

I'm gonna restore it to factory over the weekend in case it helps.

 

[xabre]

Am I seeing this right? Animated gifs on iPhone safari?

How much improved is 3GS with loading and scrolling web pages?

 

[Eaten By A Grue]

Am I the only one having some issues with OS 3.0?

Yeah the mail app went funky for me. I was seeing black boxes all over the app, specifically over labels and each mail item entry on the mail list. I had to reboot the phone in order to fix it.

 

[StuBurns]

Did they put Vaseline on the 3G camera? It doesn't look that bad.

Yeah, it looks really bad. I just took this with my 3G.

Looks so much better.

 

[Tobor]

Well, I'm in line at the Richmond VA store. Me and 100 other people. :lol

 

[Scotch]

Yeah, it looks really bad. I just took this with my 3G.

Looks so much better.

Okay, now take a picture from a few inches away. Cause, you know, that was the whole point of the SD card pic; to show off the macro mode.

 

[ckohler]

Standing in line to pick up my preorder at the local AT&T store. Only 30 minutes to go. I know they will hold it for me, but I just can't wait. There's only about 10 people in line, a mix of preorders and a few desperate people hoping to get one.

 

[dskillzhtown]

So, found out today I can't get a subsidized iPhone until August of next year. That got me thinking long-term.

Without being too much of a rumor mill bitch, what do you guys think the odds are of a 64GB capacity bump in next year's model? On the one hand, it would make sense given Apple's regular storage increases, but on the other, I suspect a 64GB flash chip or two 32GB flash chips would both be assballs expensive.

The way I see it is 3G ushered in a huge segment of iPhone owners. Next year, most of them will be up for renewal. Apple and AT&T don't want them jumping to another carrier or phone. I expect a bigger update next year, but I also expect new phones from competitors as well. So I would wait and see.

 

[Keylime]

First one in line at the Best Buy in King of Prussia, PA. Few employees have asked me WTF I'm doing here :lol

Guess the hype isn't too crazy out here or something, but I'm prepared to drop a stupid amount of money to get the phone without a plan.

...I almost wonder if they'll even let me get it for the 699 price point or if they'll not have a way in their system to have folks straight up buying the phone like that.

Time will tell, but I'll definitely be the first to pick one up (assuming they have non-pre-ordered phone available).

Sounds like a question I should ask the next employee I see.

 

[Timan]

I blame att and the no 200$ upgrade price for the small lines

 

[chico]

whats the best freeware program for converting xvid/divx into an iphone compatible size and format? any recommendations? thanks....