Iron Heart official Trailer

I can't get invested in Iron Heart. Not legit viewing or ironic viewing if it turns out to be bad. Maybe not even watching someone else cover it.
I think I'm just done with a lot of Marvel, and that's not limited to their recent output.
 
Why the hell didn't they ever make a War Machine movie? War Machine is a respected and established character played by an esteemed actor. No one would have protested... instead they have to push this character that no one knows or cares about. If you asked the average person "hey remember that super smart black girl that can build anything from Black Panther 2?", they'd think you're talking about Shuri lol
 
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trikster40 said:
Yeah, they've made quite a lot especially considering they didn't even start until phase 4. They over saturated everything super quick.
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Eh, not really? The Netflix Marvel shows consisted of about 130 episodes ranging from 2015-early 2019, and almost all their seasons were 13 episodes each. And that's only Netflix, there were some other streaming services doing Marvel shows like Runaways and Cloak & Dagger during that time.

Meanwhile, the 2021-today Marvel shows are usually 6-8 episodes, and amount to 83 episodes so far (109 if we count What If?), with Ironheart adding 6 more. So it's actually less compared to the Marvel TV output of the second half of the 2010's decade.
 
Revolutionary said:
Why the hell didn't they ever make a War Machine movie? War Machine is a respected and established character played by an esteemed actor. No one would have protested... instead they have to push this character that no one knows or cares about. If you asked the average person "hey remember that super smart black girl that can build anything from Black Panther 2?", they'd think you're talking about Shuri lol
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I'm assuming because Don Cheadle has some dignity and costs too much.
 
jason10mm said:
I'm assuming because Don Cheadle has some dignity and costs too much.
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Think Tim Robinson GIF by NETFLIX


He was in Space Jam 2. No one involved with that movie even knows what the word dignity means.
 
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Doom85 said:
Eh, not really? The Netflix Marvel shows consisted of about 130 episodes ranging from 2015-early 2019, and almost all their seasons were 13 episodes each. And that's only Netflix, there were some other streaming services doing Marvel shows like Runaways and Cloak & Dagger during that time.

Meanwhile, the 2021-today Marvel shows are usually 6-8 episodes, and amount to 83 episodes so far (109 if we count What If?), with Ironheart adding 6 more. So it's actually less compared to the Marvel TV output of the second half of the 2010's decade.
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Those Marvel shows weren't part of the MCU. They were separate entities, and Netflix developed their own shows, not Marvel Studios. I was referring more to the content they've created that are folded and integral to the MCU timeline.
 
Where are all the shows based on Latino characters? They make up more of the US population and are very underrepresented.

I guess the future plan here is to have Black Iron Man(woman), Black Captain America, Black Panther + more and they'll have Wakanda Avengers
 
Romulus said:
Where are all the shows based on Latino characters? They make up more of the US population and are very underrepresented.

I guess the future plan here is to have Black Iron Man(woman), Black Captain America, Black Panther + more and they'll have Wakanda Avengers
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You get Pedro Pascal and YOU WILL LIKE IT!!!!!
 
It's so funny that the racist cliché of the Magical Negro has turned into the Genius Scientist Negro, which is but a poor evolution of the former. At least the old one gave us some great characters (Morpheus, The Oracle from Matrix) but this 2.0 version only features pathetic cardboard characters with no dramatic arc.

This slop could be AI generated and nobody would notice the difference.
 
trikster40 said:
Those Marvel shows weren't part of the MCU. They were separate entities, and Netflix developed their own shows, not Marvel Studios.
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They had several references to the MCU, like the NY invasion, and were produced by Marvel Television. Netflix only got the streaming rights.
 
Angry_Megalodon said:
It's so funny that the racist cliché of the Magical Negro has turned into the Genius Scientist Negro, which is but a poor evolution of the former. At least the old one gave us some great characters (Morpheus, The Oracle from Matrix) but this 2.0 version only features pathetic cardboard characters with no dramatic arc.

This slop could be AI generated and nobody would notice the difference.
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Bruh, genius scientists are a Marvel staple. Tony Stark, Bruce Banner, Hank Pym, Peter Parker, Reed Richards, Victor von Doom, etc.

But suddenly it's a "cliche" if we have a whopping TWO black characters, Shuri and Riri, also be genius scientists among them? Compared to all the other black characters, Sam, Rhodey, T'Challa, Okoye, Nakia, etc. who aren't scientific geniuses?

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Stitch said:
They had several references to the MCU, like the NY invasion, and were produced by Marvel Television. Netflix only got the streaming rights.
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There's a clear delineation between the Netflix shows (which referenced but had ZERO impact on the MCU) vs the Disney shows (which are actually part of and affect the MCU as a whole). I was referring only to the Disney Marvel shows in my original post.
 
trikster40 said:
the Disney shows (which are actually part of and affect the MCU as a whole).
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Ehh do they? A character from the movies might show up in the shows, but overall I would say that most of the shows don't affect the movies at all. Moon Knight didn't affect anything, Disney is most likely never going to mention Secret Invasion again. will we ever see She-Hulk again and Hulks son? Eh, maybe a short scene in the Avengers? Same for Kate Bishop, Echo and Agatha.
At least Ms Marvel and Falcon had movie "sequels".
 
Stitch said:
Ehh do they? A character from the movies might show up in the shows, but overall I would say that most of the shows don't affect the movies at all. Moon Knight didn't affect anything, Disney is most likely never going to mention Secret Invasion again. will we ever see She-Hulk again and Hulks son? Eh, maybe a short scene in the Avengers? Same for Kate Bishop, Echo and Agatha.
At least Ms Marvel and Falcon had movie "sequels".
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While concept art can ultimately depict events that don't make the final script and/or what's shot, the leaked concept art for Avengers Secret Wars showed:

Hulk and She-Hulk in a village, and Kate Bishop among a group of heroes in a tavern.

So far, WandaVision (led to Dr. Strange 2), Falcon and the Winter Solider (led to Cap 4 and Thunderbolts), Loki (TVA play a role in Deadpool and Wolverine), and Ms. Marvel (led to The Marvels) have had the most impact on the films.
 
Stitch said:
Ehh do they? A character from the movies might show up in the shows, but overall I would say that most of the shows don't affect the movies at all. Moon Knight didn't affect anything, Disney is most likely never going to mention Secret Invasion again. will we ever see She-Hulk again and Hulks son? Eh, maybe a short scene in the Avengers? Same for Kate Bishop, Echo and Agatha.
At least Ms Marvel and Falcon had movie "sequels".
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'Problematic' Captain America was from the show, as was the black super soldier guy, right? So F&TWS at least are semi foundational to two recent MCU films. I don't recall how much, if any, character development Yelena got in Hawkeye but I"m sure there was some. Wasn't the Rambeux marvel lady in Wandavision?

Anyway, it certainly FEELS like you need those D+ shows to extract full meaning from the films. That the D+ shows are so bad is the issue, they are low density tripe aimed at marginal audiences and thus are cratering the franchise instead of signal boosting between films like they should.
 
Problem is that the movies are written with the assumption that the general audience don't follow the shows, so even when the movies try to touch on any events that happened, it cant be too focused that they have to watch the show. And it ends up having a split in direction where writers want to go.

Secret Invasion should have been a big deal in the overall world with many politicians getting assassinated and riots, but no mention of the skrulls aftermath situation in any of the movies.
 
First scene in and I can tell Marvel only wants Ethnic, Gay, and Trans people to watch this, not me, so I won't. Which is fine, but you can tell it's forced inclusion. I hope they enjoy being tools for Disney to portray a false sense of inclusion.

Thanks for destroying franchises with politics, Disney. Star Wars and Marvel are in the shitter now and I'm sure you're baffled as to why.
 
GateofD said:
first impressions coming in.
*gasp* Ironheart is garbage. Why are audiences so racist..
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70% critic score and 63% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is "garbage".

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IMDb ratings are a fucking clownshow so I'm not shocked they gave it a 4.1, you know those people had those 1s ready to enter before they even saw an episode (if they even watched it).

I'm really starting to despise this limp dick of an argument of "you'll call us racist if we don't like it." No, we'll call people out if they're blatant hypocrites, and given the obvious double standards I see constantly when it came to the trailer alone, seeing bullshit comments like "why is this character perfect?" (the trailer flat out has someone criticizing her for working with the obviously shady character played by Anthony Ramos, pay attention), "she's a Mary Sue for being so smart" (Peter Parker invents a revolutionary invention with his web shooters in high school, is he a Mary Sue?), or "she's so smart, yet all she does is copy Tony" (an actual MCU fan would remember Iron Man 2 and how virtually no one even among geniuses could create their own efficient power armors themselves. So yes, she is a genius for successfully doing so), yeah, not a great look.

Even if racism isn't at play here, one would have to be full on delusional to think a good portion of people weren't ready to hate on this before they ever saw it. Comments like the above flat out contradict that narrative.
 
I thought the first episode was a little rough around the edges, but I dig the tone, the change in setting to Chicago sets it apart from much of the other Marvel fare, and it was fun. It's obviously built to attract a younger audience, and that's cool, I was still able to enjoy it. The show straight jams on a surround sound system - it has a really good sound mix or whatever the term is (I am not an audiophile). Great soundtrack too.

Episode two solidified things more, fleshed out all of the supporting characters, set the main plot thread in motion, etc. I thought it was much better than the first episode, I really enjoyed it.

I'll probably wait to watch episode three so I can get in a few ep's of the new season of The Bear tonight and tomorrow night.

Side note: I was surprised to see the Han Solo actor show up. I haven't watched that movie in a long time, but from my recollections it looks like homeboy hasn't aged a day.


roosnam1980 said:
iron-woman basically
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If you watch the show, someone on the street asks her "So is it Iron Girl or Iron Chick? (sic)". The creators are very well aware of how the character will be perceived both in universe and by the viewers. Didn't someone in BP2 also yell "She's got an Iron Man suit!".
 
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im never gonna watch this junk, but i do like to just keep up with all the little easter eggs and connections and so on with marvel, just in case some shit ends up being important later in an actual good movie or show...

and woof.... like i watched the usual people covering all the nods and referencese (like new rockstars, screencrush etc) and wow, i am shocked this isn't an absolute shit storm online, because this is hands down the most woke thing marvel has put out

when the easter eggs are BLM and Breonna Taylor, and the main character openly professing they are better than literally every smart person, both fake and real like steve jobs and iron man, 90% of the storyline seems to be about "eat the rich" robin hood stuff, they even throw in mental health for good measure and finally a trans person being a reference...

This is thee most disnified disney thing I think they have released.

again i'm surprised it's just basically a fart in the wind, it's 1000 times more egregious than the lesbo jedi show and it's not even a controversy online anymore, it's just simply a waste of money and time which is the saddest thing.
 
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StueyDuck said:
im never gonna watch this junk, but i do like to just keep up with all the little easter eggs and connections and so on with marvel, just in case some shit ends up being important later in an actual good movie or show...

and woof.... like i watched the usual people covering all the nods and referencese (like new rockstars, screencrush etc) and wow, i am shocked this isn't an absolute shit storm online, because this is hands down the most woke thing marvel has put out

when the easter eggs are BLM and Breonna Taylor, and the main character openly professing they are better than literally every smart person, both fake and real like steve jobs and iron man, 90% of the storyline seems to be about "eat the rich" robin hood stuff, they even throw in mental health for good measure and finally a trans person being a reference...

This is thee most disnified disney thing I think they have released.

again i'm surprised it's just basically a fart in the wind, it's 1000 times more egregious than the lesbo jedi show and it's not even a controversy online anymore, it's just simply a waste of money and time which is the saddest thing.
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Why do you spend time watching stuff about it?
 
I think most folks that woukd look for offense are just straight up skipping it, no longer even bothering to hate watch.

It's also the middle of the week.

And the second season of FUBAR just dropped, so every old man should be watching that show instead :p
 
StueyDuck said:
it's literally the first line of my message.
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I don't think the stuff they do with these is going to be important. I'm pretty inconsistent with what I watch from the MCU and I haven't really felt like I've missed much when I do watch something.
 
DKehoe said:
I don't think the stuff they do with these is going to be important. I'm pretty inconsistent with what I watch from the MCU and I haven't really felt like I've missed much when I do watch something.
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it's honestly hard to tell anymore, because this show is meant to be leading to mephisto, who should technically be a big deal for the MCU as a whole.

and then you have things like falcon and winter soldier pronouncing him as captain america which led into a movie (2 movies technically if you consider US agent and co and the thunderbolts), Lokis whole plot point is probably going to play a huge role in the upcoming doomsday (at least it should) and kind of did for deadpool and wolverine.

but then you have things like she hulk and Moonknight which clearly mean nothing and are just completely inconsequential and pointless.

So it's hard to tell, i just like being on top of it all so if they do name drop or something in a movie im not completely lost at whats going on.
 
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im never gonna watch this junk, but i do like to just keep up with all the little easter eggs and connections and so on with marvel, just in case some shit ends up being important later in an actual good movie or show...

and woof.... like i watched the usual people covering all the nods and referencese (like new rockstars, screencrush etc) and wow, i am shocked this isn't an absolute shit storm online, because this is hands down the most woke thing marvel has put out

when the easter eggs are BLM and Breonna Taylor, and the main character openly professing they are better than literally every smart person, both fake and real like steve jobs and iron man, 90% of the storyline seems to be about "eat the rich" robin hood stuff, they even throw in mental health for good measure and finally a trans person being a reference...

This is thee most disnified disney thing I think they have released.

again i'm surprised it's just basically a fart in the wind, it's 1000 times more egregious than the lesbo jedi show and it's not even a controversy online anymore, it's just simply a waste of money and time which is the saddest thing.
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I'm sure even Disney just hopes it passes like a fart. That's the reason why they released 3 episodes and then the rest 3 episodes altogether. Just get it over with.
 
Watched the first episode and a little of the second.

Why doesn't the government come and get the suit she took? It must be registered as a weapon? she just took it, flew home, landed in the street and walked home with it.

The acting is abysmal, the lead actress can't act and has no charm. Some of the smaller roles are weird and out of place. The show is stilted and wooden, with sloppy line delivery.

The dialogue is embarrasing, corny shit non-stop.

It's focused around being a black show for black people, with social commentary references every 5 minutes and silly white people stumbling around like idiots.

She joins a gang, the guy leading it wears a dumbass cloak.

This is the gang:

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Jinzo Prime said:
I didn't expect the main Black character to be hustling and stealing, what kind of old sterotypical shit is that? It's looks like a bad 90's show.
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The joke goes they were going so hard into being anti-racist and anti-stereotypical that they looped right back around to being racist and stereotypical

Proof that politics is a circle not a continuum
 
Gonna check it out. Open minded. That said, I've always thought the lead looks old and is not convincing me she's a teen. At all. And then there's the gang leader? Dislike him too.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
The joke goes they were going so hard into being anti-racist and anti-stereotypical that they looped right back around to being racist and stereotypical

Proof that politics is a circle not a continuum
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Yeah, we should really take our advice on racism from Critical Drinker, the guy who understands race so well that he thinks Bella Real in The Batman (2022), you know, this character:


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is a "white man", since he claims in his "review" that Riddler's plans only target "rich, corrupt white men" and she was the final singular target his plan involved taking out (also, Bruce Wayne isn't corrupt, but I can understand how Drinker forgot about him, he's only the MAIN CHARACTER). Yes, Drinker, Bella is CLEARLY a "white man".

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Seriously, why is this clown's videos still being posted? He often lies, flat out doesn't pay attention half the time to the film he's "reviewing", and claims to only want "actual good films with female, non-white leads" yet he makes five videos bashing Captain America 4 on his main channel (still rated quite higher on even IMDb than your work, Rogue Elements, that you've wrote, Drinker, just saying) and only one video for Sinners on his smaller, side channel and only several weeks after the film had released in theaters. He knows exactly the sort of individuals that make up a significant portion of his viewers (you can find flat out racist slurs and insults among his various videos' comments, and he makes little to no effort to delete them), and he doesn't want to risk losing them by praising a film with black leads on his main channel so he bides his time and posts one video on his smaller channel hoping to minimize pissing them off. In other words, this guy doesn't mind keeping actual racists among his audience as long as it keeps earning him a buck to spam multiple videos where he just keeps saying the exact same thing (there was a podcast video with a bunch of his fellow grifters where one of them flat out admitted that's what they do).

But even some of his own audience are starting to get wise. Many high rated comments on his Thunderbolts "review" were calling him out on that one. Guess even some people can only stomach so much bullshit after a while, and Drinker is pushing his luck with some of them. Love to see it.
 
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Skimming videos, might be the worst rated Marvel TV show ever. RT and MC scores are lousy too for a Marvel production.

For laughs, put on Angry Joe review in the background. It's not like his gaming videos where he puts in skits or gameplay snips. It's just him and his buddies talking so you can just listen. They grill it so hard it's hilarious. I think the only thing good they say about it is the music is decent.

 
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StreetsofBeige said:
Slkimming videos, night be the worst rated Marvet TV show ever. RT and MC scores are lousy too for a Marvel production.
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RT scores didn't even reach as low as the 50's in either critic or audience category, something Secret Invasion, She Hulk, Iron Fist and Echo can't claim, so no, definitely not the worst rated.
 
kpopSuperstar said:
Watched the first episode and a little of the second.

Why doesn't the government come and get the suit she took? It must be registered as a weapon? she just took it, flew home, landed in the street and walked home with it.

The acting is abysmal, the lead actress can't act and has no charm. Some of the smaller roles are weird and out of place. The show is stilted and wooden, with sloppy line delivery.

The dialogue is embarrasing, corny shit non-stop.

It's focused around being a black show for black people, with social commentary references every 5 minutes and silly white people stumbling around like idiots.

She joins a gang, the guy leading it wears a dumbass cloak.

This is the gang:

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Going by YT streamers who watched it (I definitely wouldnt bother), the episodes got a dumb Black people thing where all the viewers got to be reminded they are Black people and believe it or not Black people can own businesses around the neighbourhood.

So supposedly in the shows, they remind all viewers this and that are Black.

I guess just to make sure all you viewers dont think everything in life is owned by White people. And when you see one of the Black actors or actresses on screen, make note they are Black. And not White people with a mask on.
 
Doom85 said:
RT scores didn't even reach as low as the 50's in either critic or audience category, something Secret Invasion, She Hulk, Iron Fist and Echo can't claim, so no, definitely not the worst rated.
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I clicked on a few of the RT 5* user reviews, and on nearly all of them, the only thing they have ever reviewed is this turd. Disney bots assemble!
 
Doom85 said:
RT scores didn't even reach as low as the 50's in either critic or audience category, something Secret Invasion, She Hulk, Iron Fist and Echo can't claim, so no, definitely not the worst rated.
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Not the worst. But based on your shows, almost the worst. It'll definitely be among the bottom feeders even if there's any other bad ones you missed.

Shehulk. RT 79%, MC 67%
Echo. RT 70%, MC 62%
Ironheart. RT 70%, MC 57%
Secret Invasion. RT 53%, MC 63%
Iron Fist. RT 37%, MC 37%
 
willothedog said:
I clicked on a few of the RT 5* user reviews, and on nearly all of them, the only thing they have ever reviewed is this turd. Disney bots assemble!
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And even on the first page, I found plenty of 1 star reviews from people who had only reviewed this show or less than 5 things altogether.

Funny how you failed to mention that….

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