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[pants]

I havent followed this thread from the beginning so sorry for jumping in towards the end.

Even speaking as a crotchety conscientious-objector on the whole RealGAF thing, I think we have pretty clearly and decisively chosen to be about the former.

I don't want neogaf to become some sort of faux social network, especially since this is a gaming forum first and there are real social networks out there (which I have chosen not to be a part of). This is a major turn off :/

 

[Vic]

What is the "whole picture" here, to your mind?

Can't say that I can properly describe the current situation. What I've been guessing for a couple of pages now is that the complain I've brought up has something to do with why a lot of posters are mean to Devo. I can see as well that some guys are just bashing feminism. I'm not saying otherwise.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

I don't want neogaf to become some sort of faux social network, especially since this is a gaming forum first and there are real social networks out there (which I have chosen not to be a part of). This is a major turn off :/

I think you're misunderstanding. He was indicating that -- even if one opts not to post using real names/pictures as he himself prefers -- they prefer to encourage people acting as actual people as opposed to people hiding under anonymity to post in a disingenuous fashion. At least, that's what I think he was indicating; I certainly don't want to speak for him.

 

[noah111]

Just read through the pages I missed

Also can't believe Sentry survived and unscathed

Sentry made it out unscathed. He might have you on thin ice though.

The guilt that Sentry is going to carry with him until his dying breath is his true punishment.

Why's everyone giving me shit for surviving. :lol

y'all are making me feel like

But then again, people who completely come unglued on Devo for something fairly harmless are met with a chorus of gif replies or an echo of 'truth'.

I know I haven't been posting here for very long, but I really, really don't understand the Devo hate.

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that bit... it definitely weirded me out. Especially the 'BURRRN'-esq replies as if an unspoken truth had been uttered or something.

 

[Vic]

Well, in the creeper thread, Dennis went off on her for saying 'Stop speaking for my gender.' Many other posters cheered him on.

Oh, that thread. I saw that post from Dennis, but I didn't followed up with the rest.

 

[pants]

I think you're misunderstanding. He was indicating that -- even if one opts not to post using real names/pictures as he himself prefers -- they prefer to encourage people acting as actual people as opposed to people hiding under anonymity to post in a disingenuous fashion. At least, that's what I think he was indicating; I certainly don't want to speak for him.

From having lurked for ages I've noticed these kind of characters get continually banned anyway. For the most part there aren't many pretenders apart from some harmless gimmick posters.

 

[charlequin]

I don't want neogaf to become some sort of faux social network, especially since this is a gaming forum first and there are real social networks out there (which I have chosen not to be a part of). This is a major turn off :/

I'm not saying people need to spill all their IRL deets Facebook style (like I said, crotchety conscientious objector to RealGAF) but we've made a pretty sharp turn away from the kind of forum community where everyone sockpuppets and people just troll each other all the time and towards the kind where people have long-term investments in their forum personas and there are real consequences for being jerks to each other.

From having lurked for ages I've noticed these kind of characters get continually banned anyway. For the most part there aren't many pretenders apart from some harmless gimmick posters.

That's kind of what I mean. We used to not ban these users or discourage the kind of tomfoolery they got up to; now we do.

 

[pants]

Getting people too vested into their online personas brings about it's own set of problems though, there are some people around here I feel are living their lives on this forum and it's kinda unhealthy. I'm okay with my online persona being an extension of myself in all but name, as it is just how I've always posted on the net (from IRC days).

 

[Ovid]

Just read through the pages I missed



Why's everyone giving me shit for surviving. :lol

y'all are making me feel like

Your thread had 50+ bannings. A feat I've never seen anyone accomplish.

Spoiler

Seriously, I'm just busting chops.

 

[Razek]

Getting people too vested into their online personas brings about it's own set of problems though, there are some people around here I feel are living their lives on this forum and it's kinda unhealthy. I'm okay with my online persona being an extension of myself in all but name, as it is just how I've always posted on the net (from IRC days).

Well, come on man. Don't leave us hangin'

Let's hear that list!

 

[pants]

I'm not about to start a meaningless scuffle by putting names to my impressions =P The type I'm referring to are usually posting very personal stories (the kind you discuss with your friends/family) or spend too much time on here (you wake up to find half a dozen new threads by certain posters). It's their lives and they are entitled to live it as they please, just as I am entitled to observe and form an opinion on the general behaviour pattern =P

 

[marrec]

Getting people too vested into their online personas brings about it's own set of problems though, there are some people around here I feel are living their lives on this forum and it's kinda unhealthy. I'm okay with my online persona being an extension of myself in all but name, as it is just how I've always posted on the net (from IRC days).

I can stop anytime I want!

You don't know me man.

 

[kaioshade]

I'm not about to start a meaningless scuffle by putting names to my impressions =P The type I'm referring to are usually posting very personal stories (the kind you discuss with your friends/family) or spend too much time on here (you wake up to find half a dozen new threads by certain posters). It's their lives and they are entitled to live it as they please, just as I am entitled to observe and form an opinion on the general behaviour pattern =P

Is it really that bad though? Some people form relationships in different means. Some people find solace on NeoGAF, others through sports, or whatever. I like the community here. Met some really cool people.

 

[Sanjay]

I know I haven't been posting here for very long, but I really, really don't understand the Devo hate.

I truly believe the hate behind Devo is not because of her, you can't help being your self but its the White Knight's that come in and do the damage for her even though she doesn't need it as shes a mean machine.

Example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469689&page=7

Kapura:
Well, it WAS a white guy being fucking destroyed by a bunch of black guys. If it were the other way around, it would absolutely look like a hate crime, regardless of how it was reported.

Devolution:
We call that a cultural narrative.

Kapura:
? What are you saying, then?

Devolution:
Given the historical precedence of white on black violence, it's assumed to be racially motivated. All one has to do is look at the cultural and historical evidence that reflects this.

Lirlond:
Oh, so you're saying as a hypothetical, that if black people had enslaved white people instead, THEN this would be a hate crime?

Devolution:
Tell me where I said that.

Lirlond:
Banned
You just said it yourself.

Given the historical precedence of black on white violence, it's assumed to be racially motivated.

Devolution's response to Lirlond:
And I somehow denied that white people can be attacked based on race because of that? You're drawing hilarious conclusions here. And no it's not automatically a hate crime in reverse, it's a historical precedent that a group of white men using violence against a lone black man is racially motivated. Are we to just deny history or what?

Oh nm.

Blackace's response to Lirlond:
omg... Black people didn't enslave white, black people didn't enforce Jim Crow laws on white people, whites didn't JUST become full citizens less than one generation ago.. There is NO hypothetical..

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A civil intellectual discussion going on and BAM Lirlond banned, should this hate be aimed at Devoultion, I say no. I mean it's not her fault for Lirlond getting banned for that but the hate will be misdirected towards her by onlookers that will be confused as to why such harsh treatment towards Lirlond and this grows and keeps on growing as the more discussions Devoultion has with others in other threads where this goes on.

If I were to compare I would say trying to discuss an argument or a point with said Devoultion would be on the same levels as Amirox but that dude banned people him self which is worse but you get the point. Hate the white knights not the player.

 

[Byakuya769]

Getting people too vested into their online personas brings about it's own set of problems though, there are some people around here I feel are living their lives on this forum and it's kinda unhealthy. I'm okay with my online persona being an extension of myself in all but name, as it is just how I've always posted on the net (from IRC days).

Charlequin, do you want ban blood on your hands? Do you!?!

 

[pigeon]

I truly believe the hate behind Devo is not because of her, you can't help being your self but its the White Knight's that come in and do the damage for her even though she doesn't need it as shes a mean machine.

Example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469689&page=7

My favorite part of this example is the post at the end of the page, after the OP has been banned for obviously trolling and Lirlond is banned for his inexplicable freakout, where Kapura is like "I can see this isn't a place for expressing contrary opinions."

It perfectly sums up what I think every time I see that sentiment expressed in this thread.

 

[Devolution]

Charlequin, do you want ban blood on your hands? Do you!?!

I like your style. Also you're now my "troll" buddy from the creepshots thread.

 

[pants]

Is it really that bad though? Some people form relationships in different means. Some people find solace on NeoGAF, others through sports, or whatever. I like the community here. Met some really cool people.

It's not really inherently bad I don't think, two of my closest friends met on a forum and got married to each other a few years back. For every good story, there are countless others that rival MMO addiction horror stories though. It is something to be mindful of, but it is what you make of it.

Charlequin, do you want ban blood on your hands? Do you!?!

Do you remember a certain poster going absolutely bonkers on twitter a few months back after being banned? I honestly feel that banning him had a similar effect on his psyche than actual blood being drawn.


I'm veering hopelessly off topic here, stop enabling me guys

 

[Byakuya769]

I like your style. Also you're now my "troll" buddy from the creepshots thread.

You haven't lived until someone says "I noticed you were a man troll even while I was a lurker!" in response to you saying that Overstrike/Fuse was "game design by focus group."

Do you remember a certain poster going absolutely bonkers on twitter a few months back after being banned? I honestly feel that banning him had a similar effect on his psyche than actual blood being drawn.


I'm veering hopelessly off topic here, stop enabling me guys

I joke, but I think you're raising a valid issue. I bet people get just as invested in their joke characters over time, however.

 

[corn_fest]

Every time I see people complain about "not being able to express opinions" on GAF, my mind parses it as "Why aren't I allowed to be a bigot? ". I can't think of any opinions that aren't inherently offensive to some racial, gender, etc. group that would get you banned on here.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Every time I see people complain about "not being able to express opinions" on GAF, my mind parses it as "Why aren't I allowed to be a bigot? ". I can't think of any opinions that aren't inherently offensive to some racial, gender, etc. group that would get you banned on here.

Even if you are a bigot, I don't think you're outright banned so long as you express your opinion (or preferably, acknowledges that you have said opinion but don't bring it up) at inappropriate times.

For an example, don't say that you don't considered transgendered people to be the gender they associate with in a thread about the difficulties of transgendered people. Or don't speak up about your disagreement regarding gay rights, in a thread about gay rights.

Threads on transphobia, or on people against gay rights, are perfect opportunities for all members to better understand the views of these kinds of people - and I hope that expressing ones opinion in these threads isn't bannable.

 

[Mumei]

Whoa, I feel like I've missed out by not posting in this thread.

I haven't been here long, but my second ban was for telling someone that they were "incredibly dense." Seemed a little excessive to me.

In just about any circumstance I can think of, telling someone that they are "incredibly dense" - or "stupid" or "mentally incapacitated" has a pretty high likelihood of resulting in a ban, and we tend to ban longer for repeat offenses.

My posts in this thread have been as aggressive as a typical Devo tirade? Really?

I think that says a lot about how much your bias is distorting your perception. Seems to me that you are downplaying the level of anger and vitriol she posts with regularly, and are also overstating my comments quite a bit because the subject is someone you agree with and consider an ally. I think this bias is why you also dismiss legit criticism of how she posts as "oh the misogynists are just hatin wimmins again".

It's human nature that we tolerate a lot more from people we like and agree with, and conversely with those whom we disagree our tolerance is much shorter. Let's not insult our intelligence by pretending that this is not a factor in how GAF is moderated.

God bless marrec, but let's be real. He is no Devo. Not even close. That's not for lack of effort, mind you, but he simply doesn't have the same raw fury burning deep inside him. Or if he does, he doesn't let it flow into his message board posts as purely as she does. No one on this forum does.

Now, I do agree that when people call her out in threads she isn't in, or make lame .gif posts about how she is coming because the subject is rape or whatever, that is useless noise and not helpful and should be curbed. But she earned that reputation through months and months of aggressive and angry posting, it wasn't just assigned to her randomly. And it certainly wasn't given to her because she is a woman.

Honestly? I don't always agree with Devolution's aggressiveness. I think she sometimes goes after people who don't deserve it (though sometimes I am mistaken and it turns out she was right about people), and I think that sometimes when she is angry she is less effective at explaining things than she can be when she tries to. I think sometimes she will make a snippy comment with a rhetorical question where a paragraph would work better for explaining her position. And she knows that I feel this way because I have mentioned it to her before. She doesn't always agree with me, obviously.

So no, I don't deny criticism that she can be aggressive. I disagree with the idea that she is uniquely aggressive or that it is her aggressiveness alone that causes the response people have to her. If she were not aggressive at all, no, she wouldn't have the reputation she does, but it is only her aggressiveness in combination with other factors - in particular the positions she is arguing for, her gender, and the baggage that now comes with these conversations - that give her the reputation that she now has. There is also a healthy dose of correlations between her being present and bans happening, though that is more a function of the fact of the threads she argues in and the positions of the people she argues with, which tend to be things that are bannable than anything peculiar to her.

And I actually think marrec has been worse at times her in terms of aggressiveness at times, but I am in the minority on that point. I suppose it sometimes does come across as a bit put-upon (e.g. that he's not actually as angry as his posts would have you believe), but it can be hard to tell how angry someone "actually" is in a post.

 

[FStop7]

Blasty wasn't permed.

Junior surviving a ban... Blasty is blessed with a second chance.

he's not a gaf celeb

he's just some junior that was scared of being banned because gaf is too strict for him or something

and then he went and posted stupid shit in the creeper thread and got banned for it

Eh, he was so freaked out I couldn't help but feel bad for him. For whatever reason (as in I'm not sure why I care) I'm glad he's getting a second chance.

 

[bishoptl]

what was bish's avatar before Black Snake Moan came out?

Animated Fruit Fucker, raw-dogging an orange
Training Day Denzel Washington

 

[WanderingWind]

Animated Fruit Fucker, raw-dogging an orange
Training Day Denzel Washington

I would like to see this, to be honest.

 

[SmokyDave]

And I actually think marrec has been worse at times her in terms of aggressiveness at times, but I am in the minority on that point. I suppose it sometimes does come across as a bit put-upon (e.g. that he's not actually as angry as his posts would have you believe), but it can be hard to tell how angry someone "actually" is in a post.

Got to agree with this. Marrec, you know I'd happily buy you a pint but sometimes...

....well, sometimes. You know what I'm (not) saying.

 

[CrankyJay]

And I actually think marrec has been worse at times her in terms of aggressiveness at times, but I am in the minority on that point. I suppose it sometimes does come across as a bit put-upon (e.g. that he's not actually as angry as his posts would have you believe), but it can be hard to tell how angry someone "actually" is in a post.

I've gotten banned (look it up, it was my last one) for falling for his aggressiveness...lol. Still not sure why I got banned for parroting the Tosh joke from the original post, it wasn't serious and a complete play on the situation.

 

[Devolution]

Got to agree with this. Marrec, you know I'd happily buy you a pint but sometimes...

....well, sometimes. You know what I'm (not) saying.

If I ever visit England you gotta get me some good beer broham. >=0. Too aggressive?

 

[RionaaM]

I've gotten banned (look it up, it was my last one) for falling for his aggressiveness...lol. Still not sure why I got banned for parroting the Tosh joke from the original post, it wasn't serious and a complete play on the situation.

I remember that thread, it happened less than a week after my account was greenlit. Between that and the Amazon summer sale thread, I had a really good time at work, lol.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

I would like to see this, to be honest.

But would you really want to?

 

[A.E Suggs]

16 or so months for me. Can't imagine getting approved in 2 fucking days, lucky bastard.

It only took a few hours for me as well when I looked back at it. I just didn't activate mine into about 2 weeks after at the request of someone I will not name. Someone said the administrator here used to be lazy as to why it took so long for activation so I guess that's changed over the years.

I think it's possible to support equal rights for women whilst also wanting to avoid being associated with brash and confrontational attitudes. Given this, I see no issue with people shying away from being openly labelled 'feminist' in certain contexts. Just as many people with no faith don't want to be labelled 'atheist'.

I'm inclined to agree with this, I have no faith but I don't want to be labelled an atheist. For one the majority of the one's I know are dicks or assholes and some of us don't want titles.

 

[Borgnine]

ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX BANS OH YOU FEDERALLY FUCKED NOW.

 

[charlequin]

Charlequin, do you want ban blood on your hands? Do you!?!

i got blood on my hands and there's no remorse

I joke, but I think you're raising a valid issue. I bet people get just as invested in their joke characters over time, however.

More, IMO.

 

[MWS Natural]

Every time I see people complain about "not being able to express opinions" on GAF, my mind parses it as "Why aren't I allowed to be a bigot? ". I can't think of any opinions that aren't inherently offensive to some racial, gender, etc. group that would get you banned on here.

How I basically see the situation.

 

[Pollux]

If I were to compare I would say trying to discuss an argument or a point with said Devoultion would be on the same levels as Amirox but that dude banned people him self which is worse but you get the point. Hate the white knights not the player.

Ok, hold the fuck on. I "hate" Devo as much as the next poster but to compare her to Amir0x...let's lay off the hyperbole. To clarify, I actually like Devo as an individual, we've had our share of good threads together and good arguments. My problem with Devo, and it's not even really a problem per se and this is actually a compliment to her is the same problem I have with Count Dookkake. They're very good at articulating their point of view and pointing out flaws in someone else's argument. I hate it haha. Mainly because whenever I argue with them I feel like an idiot.

Some of my favorite threads on GAF have been arguing with Devolution, I particularly remember the thread about the Catholic Church yelling at the nuns and Devo and I went back and forth for pages. Good times.

But I think a lot of the hate for Devolution comes from people who get into arguments with her, can't articulate their position properly, start freaking out, go into rage mode, and turn into morons leading to their ban.

Don't take this post as "white knighting" for Devolution. Everything I've said in this post applies equally to Count Dookkake.

Edit: although yea, Devo does get aggressive from time to time. But let's be fucking honest, a lot of the time it's in response to someone being a tool. i've never seen her storm into a thread in rage mode, it's always after someone posts something questionable.

 

[TUROK]

ONE TWO THREE FOUR FIVE SIX BANS OH YOU FEDERALLY FUCKED NOW.

My mom gave me that account.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Every time I see people complain about "not being able to express opinions" on GAF, my mind parses it as "Why aren't I allowed to be a bigot? ". I can't think of any opinions that aren't inherently offensive to some racial, gender, etc. group that would get you banned on here.

+1

or, "Why aren't I allowed to be a trolling fanboi?" or "a dickhead to everyone who disagrees with me?"

 

[Stet]

It was the same thread. He went in and went to work, left for dinner, then went back for more. It was chilling.

 

[Devolution]

Hahahaha.

 

[GraveRobberX]

http://www.bunchofice.com/rudd.gif[img][/quote]

A New Challenger Appears for .gif Legendary!

Amazing

+15 points for using my man crush =3

 

[B-Dubs]

Haha I'm sitting on the bus smiling like a damn fool thanks to you. :jnc

 

[Razek]

Did you make this Stet? Because this is incredible.

 

[Stet]

i had some time

 

[strafer]

Best GIF ever.

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

i got blood on my hands and there's no remorse

I wonder how much of GAF remembers the next bar of that terrible song.

 

[Razek]

i had some time

Blasty was a nice touch haha

 

[Alligatorjandro]

So Thats what a mods screen looks like.

 

[AlimNassor]

Is that actually real? Bish looks like that irl? Wow, he's rich.

 

[H.Protagonist]

You're a hero, Stet. My face hurts from trying to hold the laughter in.

 

[LyleLanley]

I'm honored to be in that GIF.