• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

Is it time to accept Revenge of the Sith as "one of the good" SW films? SPOILERS

Of course it isn't, it is a terrible movie. Now it's time for the real question.


Results are only viewable after voting.
Status
Not open for further replies.

enigmatic_alex44

Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
It's been over a decade since release and hopefully the seething anger and disappointment towards the prequels has died down a bit and people can view Revenge of the Sith separately from the other two disappointing prequel films. I'm not a fan of Phantom Menace personally (I think it's probably the worst SW movie), but I do enjoy Attack of the Clones as a flawed film even if it has some major issues. However Revenge of the Sith is a legit fantastic movie imo and deserves to be considered one of the good Star Wars films (my personal top 3 are Force Awakens, Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith).

BEWARE SPOILERS BELOW

-ROTS CG has aged fairly well, at least after revisiting the blu-ray (maybe on a theater screen it would look worse)
-It's certified fresh on rottentomatoes (I still think the score would be higher if it wasn't saddled with being attached to the lower quality Episode 1 & 2
-It has one of the best acting performances of the series, with Ewan Mcgregor's Obi-Wan. I honestly think he did a better job with the role than Alec Guinness (who always looked a bit bored).
-All of the major battles are fun/clever/intense and some of the best in the SW films: the opening space battle, Obi-Wan vs. General Grievous, Yoda vs. Sheev, Anakin vs. Obi-Wan.
-Visually, I think it's one of the better looking SW films, even with its reliance on CG. The art direction is nice and everything is framed well (the previous 2 films looked a bit tacky at times and had poor cinematography, even ANH looks a bit bland).
-I really love the creature and droid design in ROTS, my fave has to be that lizard thing Obi-Wan rides on during his battle with Grievous (Grievous himself is a fantastic design, when he pulls out those 4 light sabers, whew).
-The story actually flows and makes sense this time around (compared to the other prequels), and is faster paced than A New Hope and less goofy than Return of the Jedi's awful second half so I'd place ROTS higher than both of those, I find it much easier to revisit.
-Order 66 is such a cool scene. The films has a lot of really cool scenes. Darth Vader & Palpatine at the end is another one.
-The darker tone works in the film's favor, though I wish they'd gone a bit further in really selling Anakin's turn to the dark side (Padme's fate was pretty lame though).

I didn't grow up with these movies, I only caught them all once the blu-rays came out so I'm not some lifelong diehard.
It would be interesting to see if lifelong fans and more recent fans have different opinions on ROTS vs. the rest of the movies. What do you think? ROTS is a good movie, AND a good Star Wars film, right?

I give the movie a thumbs up.

9jvTL5g.gif
 
Honestly had it not been for some pacing and Hayden Christiansen's abysmal acting along with a couple problematic scenes I'd be willing to say it's a decent to good film.
But the problem is, those things I listed exist.
"Go murder all the children."

"Ok."
And things like this.

Would never put it above the OT.
 

dc89

Member
Order 66 scene is the best thing about the movie.
It's the best of the three prequels but that's about it, the best of a bad bunch.
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
Honestly had it not been for some pacing and Hayden Christiansen's abysmal acting along with a couple problematic scenes I'd be willing to say it's a decent to good film.
But the problem is, those things I listed exist.

This is how I feel. I honestly want to like it, but no, I just don't. Too much bad outweighing the good.

Of the 3 it's the least rotten, but I still think it's pretty disgusting.
 

Robot Pants

Member
No Revenge of the Sith is also complete garbage like the other prequels. In fact I say it's worse than Episode 1.
What the fuck is with Drunk and Drooling Palpatine? Excuse me, SHEEV.
 

SephCast

Brotherhood of Shipley's
Of the prequels, it's the only one I fully rewatch.

Yes it is a "good" star wars film, but still below TFA + Original trilogy.
 
What's the worst line from REVENGE OF THE SITH?

"Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our specialty." -Obi-Wan

"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count." | "Good. Twice the pride, double the fall." -Anakin and Count Dooku

"Wait a minute, how did this happen, we're smarter than this!" -Obi-Wan

"You owe me one, and for not saving your skin for the tenth time." | "Ninth time. That business on Cato Neimodia doesn't- doesn't count." -Anakin and Obi-Wan

"You are so... beautiful." | "It's only because I'm so in love." | "No, it's because I'm so in love with you." | "So love has blinded you?" | "Well, that's not exactly what I meant." | "But it's probably true." -Anakin and Padmé

"Have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side? What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists? And the Republic has become the very evil we've been fighting to destroy?" -Padmé

"Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo... so long ago when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war." -Padmé

"No! No! No! YOU WILL DIE!" -Supreme Chancellor Palpatine

"Killed not by clones, this Padawan, but by a lightsaber he was." -Yoda

"I have seen... a security hologram... of him... killing younglings." -Obi-Wan

"I don't know you any more. Anakin! You're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I can't follow!" -Padmé

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." -Obi-Wan

"I have waited a long time for this moment, my little green friend." -Emperor Palpatine

"Not if anything to say about it I have." -Yoda

"From my point of view, it is the Jedi who are evil." -Anakin
 

Shaanyboi

Banned
Fuck no. Just because it's the only prequel with something resembling an arc doesn't mean it's in any way "one of the good ones".

It's still a trash fire with some of the most embarrassing scenes in the series.
 
No, I really can't

The opening is fun enough, and the final action sequences are fun enough, but the movie fucking drags in-between the beginning and end.

The romance is insufferable. And all the setup for the Anakin's betrayal is pretty boring. I've straight up just skipped half the movie out of boredom while watching it with friends, to get to the good parts.

It's still better than Episode II. Always remember.

"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil." -Anakin

I was younger when I saw that movie, but even then, I was struck by how bad that line is, and how people just don't speak that way.

You might as well have Anakin say "I am a bad guy now!"
 
We can't even accept ROJ or TFA as good Star Wars movies. We fucking claim that the 99.9% same Special Editions are horrific atrocities do to some minor changes that most people wouldn't even notice. What makes you think we can even begin discussing the idea that ROS is in anyway a decent movie?
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
What's the worst line from REVENGE OF THE SITH?

"Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our specialty." -Obi-Wan

"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count." | "Good. Twice the pride, double the fall." -Anakin and Count Dooku

"Wait a minute, how did this happen, we're smarter than this!" -Obi-Wan

"You owe me one, and for not saving your skin for the tenth time." | "Ninth time. That business on Cato Neimodia doesn't- doesn't count." -Anakin and Obi-Wan

"You are so... beautiful." | "It's only because I'm so in love." | "No, it's because I'm so in love with you." | "So love has blinded you?" | "Well, that's not exactly what I meant." | "But it's probably true." -Anakin and Padmé

"Have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side? What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists? And the Republic has become the very evil we've been fighting to destroy?" -Padmé

"Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo... so long ago when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war." -Padmé

"No! No! No! YOU WILL DIE!" -Supreme Chancellor Palpatine

"Killed not by clones, this Padawan, but by a lightsaber he was." -Yoda

"I have seen... a security hologram... of him... killing younglings." -Obi-Wan

"I don't know you any more. Anakin! You're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I can't follow!" -Padmé

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." -Obi-Wan

"I have waited a long time for this moment, my little green friend." -Emperor Palpatine

"Not if anything to say about it I have." -Yoda

"From my point of view, it is the Jedi who are evil." -Anakin

I change my answers. It's just as rotten as the other two. Yep.
 
No, it's still a terrible movie I never want to see again. I saw each of these once, as they released on DVD, and never want to see any of 'em again including this one.
 
Yep, this movie is still bad. The central flaw IMO is the totally half-assed relationship between Anakin and Obi-Wan which should have been the main focus of the entire goddamn prequel trilogy.

The final fight feels totally over the top and boring, its like they learned absolutely nothing from the failures of the previous movies and decided that they would skip the character development and focus on keeping the scenes "so dense" with CGI fuckery.
 
No, I watched it again fairly recently and it's only the least bad of the prequels. There are some good moments, or moments that seem like they're going to be good, only to immediately be totally undercut by some buffoonish creative choice, bad line, or terrible performance, or some combination of the three. A good example is when we finally see Darth Vader "born". It's got this gothic Frankensteinish vibe, the breathing starts, the monster rises...and then that fucking "NOOOOO" just kills the scene then and there.
 

NekoFever

Member
The last act is good, with the exception of "Nooooo" and Padme dying of a broken heart. The rest of it's just as bad as the other prequels.
 
Its a few really bad scenes away from it but those scenes are horrible. Palpatine vs Mace takes the most dramatic event in the entire series and makes it pure cheese. Anakin killing younglings. Anakin and Padme "so love has blinded you" apartment conversation. Vader nooo.
 

Yarbskoo

Member
Palpatine is the best part of the movie. McDiarmid took the cartoon cheesiness of the OT emperor and dialed it up to 11. It's almost like he was the only one having fun on screen.
 

PopeReal

Member
The biggest problem is that it is rushed. There is so much shit going on in the last hour especially. This movie should have been the prequels. The only thing I would want saved from the other 2 is Darth Maul with an expanded role.
 
I always enjoy watching Revenge of the Sith, besides the romance scenes. Just replace those scenes with Creepio's rants and it'd be amazing.

The music, the planets (Utapau is one of the most creative Star Wars planets), the entire Order 66 sequence except when they did my boy Plo Koon dirty, Obi-wan, the opera scene, it was all awesome.
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
No. It's a poorly acted, poorly written finale to a shitty trilogy. I still can't get why people try to pass it off as a good movie. Heck, I'll put Episode 1 above it at the top of the shit pile, just because it had Liam Neeson.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom