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Is it time to accept Revenge of the Sith as "one of the good" SW films? SPOILERS

Of course it isn't, it is a terrible movie. Now it's time for the real question.

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legend166

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ViewtifulJC said:
What's the worst line from REVENGE OF THE SITH?

"Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our specialty." -Obi-Wan

"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count." | "Good. Twice the pride, double the fall." -Anakin and Count Dooku

"Wait a minute, how did this happen, we're smarter than this!" -Obi-Wan

"You owe me one, and for not saving your skin for the tenth time." | "Ninth time. That business on Cato Neimodia doesn't- doesn't count." -Anakin and Obi-Wan

"You are so... beautiful." | "It's only because I'm so in love." | "No, it's because I'm so in love with you." | "So love has blinded you?" | "Well, that's not exactly what I meant." | "But it's probably true." -Anakin and Padmé

"Have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side? What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists? And the Republic has become the very evil we've been fighting to destroy?" -Padmé

"Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo... so long ago when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war." -Padmé

"No! No! No! YOU WILL DIE!" -Supreme Chancellor Palpatine

"Killed not by clones, this Padawan, but by a lightsaber he was." -Yoda

"I have seen... a security hologram... of him... killing younglings." -Obi-Wan

"I don't know you any more. Anakin! You're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I can't follow!" -Padmé

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." -Obi-Wan

"I have waited a long time for this moment, my little green friend." -Emperor Palpatine

"Not if anything to say about it I have." -Yoda

"From my point of view, it is the Jedi who are evil." -Anakin
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You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
 
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Schlorgan

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HellforLeather said:
I keep seeing this sentiment and I dont understand it at all. What is so great about this scene? McDiarmid is clearly enjoying the move to being the more obviously evil emperor but beyond that I dont see anything special here.
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That scene just shows that Anakin is an idiot.
 
NekoFever

NekoFever

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Yarbskoo said:
Palpatine is the best part of the movie. McDiarmid took the cartoon cheesiness of the OT emperor and dialed it up to 11. It's almost like he was the only one having fun on screen.
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Yeah, he's glorious in it. Pure cartoon villain and clearly having a whale of a time.

Keric said:
Once those buzz droids showed up, I knew it was going to be a shit show.
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They do seem a somewhat inefficient way to take down ships in a world with laser cannons.
 
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Protome

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HellforLeather said:
I keep seeing this sentiment and I dont understand it at all. What is so great about this scene? McDiarmid is clearly enjoying the move to being the more obviously evil emperor but beyond that I dont see anything special here.
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Its because Plagueis is the most interesting character in the prequels, and he's only referenced there.
 
goldenpp72

goldenpp72

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I find it decent, it has some stirring parts and cool moments despite some holes, where the first prequel was kind of boring but average, the second movie is a legitimate horrific film with the third being overall decent, none of them are great movies, but it's the least offensive of them.

With that said, while I recognize TFA as a superior design, it was a lot less imaginative in it's approach, so I can't say the series has truly found proper footing yet.
 
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Trigonometrize.

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I love it in a way completely different from the other Star Wars movies. Shit like General Grievous being an asthmatic droid (I think that's what it's supposed to be?), Anakin just murdering hundreds of men, women, and children just so he can save Padme, all of the dialogue in the last thirty minutes, and the whole opening with all of the slapstick humor followed up be a decapitation is so weird that I can't help but enjoy it. It doesn't at all belong in the Star Wars saga but it's fun to watch unfold in its weirdest of ways. The other two prequels are just embarrassing, but there's something special about ROTS to me.
 
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Gentleman Jack

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enigmatic_alex44 said:
-The darker tone works in the film's favor, though I wish they'd gone a bit further in really selling Anakin's turn to the dark side (Padme's fate was pretty lame though).
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Handwaving the weakest part of the entire plot as a minor gripe here.

To go further in selling the tragedy of Anakin turning to the dark side would have required the following:
1. Setting up a believable romance between him and Padme, so his turn and her reaction to that turn would actually be emotionally resonant instead of stupid and unintentionally hilarious.
2. Setting up a believable friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan, so that the duel and Obi-Wan's desperate attempts to win back his friends actually felt like they had stakes behind them.
3. Setting up Anakin as an actually brilliant Jedi instead of a whiny juvenile turdling with zero patience throughout all 3 films, so that the loss of a valuable asset to the resistance to Palpatine's schemes registers as a believable surprise to the rest of the cast.
4. Making any of Palpatine's machinations remotely believable, so that he stands as a truly formidable adversary who could turn a noble jedi dark instead of just a lucky idiot whose major success comes at the failings of an inept Jedi Council and Obi-Wan simply being away and unable to interfere.

They would have had to set up all of that in the previous two films, but they couldn't because Lucas just had to start his prequels with Anakin as a stupid fucking kid for the entire first movie, blowing half of the entire screentime he could have had to establish the start of a character arc for Darth Vader. And slopping together the relationships Anakin needed to sever to really sell that turn to the Dark side in Clones was so hamfisted and dull that there was no salvaging it in time for the third film. You laugh, and laugh HARD at Vader's 'NOOOOOOOOOOOO' because of how ice cold, shitty and unearned that black hole of an emotional outburst is.
 
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Kozak

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Honestly the movie (I guess the whole damn prequels) would have been 10x better if Hayden Christensen wasn't in it.

We desperately needed an Anakin that wasn't a shit actor.
 
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Sephzilla

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No. Revenge of the Sith is held back by having to carry the burden of two other shitty movies and makes a lot of mistakes on its own. How Anakin turns to the Dark Side is a character assassination of Vader
 
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Chuck

Still without luck
I'll never understand how people still try to say Phantom Menace is somehow the best of the prequel trilogy. It's a disgusting mess that went out of its way to ruin Star Wars.

Oh but it has a cool fight at the end
fuck offffffffffffffff
 
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Garrett Hawke

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DrForester said:
No. It's a poorly acted, poorly written finale to a shitty trilogy. I still can't get why people try to pass it off as a good movie. Heck, I'll put Episode 1 above it at the top of the shit pile, just because it had Liam Neeson.
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This so much.

It's so shit. So shit. Out of character writing because they had to make these characters suddenly fit into the way things should be, terrible acting, padme dying of fucking sadness.

Dreadful shit.
 
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MMarston

Was getting caught part of your plan?
For me, it manages to reach the threshold of "not bad SW film" just by the tip of its very pinky finger. The Anakin/Padme arc is really its undoing.
 
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Etrian Oddity

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Chuck said:
Oh but it has a cool fight at the end
fuck offffffffffffffff
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That fight is the best thing about the entire pre-trilogy, though.

"OBI-WAN VS ANAKIN WAS THE BEST THO!"

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lol no
 
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JC Lately

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It's the best prequel movie, in the same sense that your first normal bowel movement after a bout of diarrhea is the best. A welcome relief, but you're still dealing with shit no matter what.
 
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Not

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Gentleman Jack said:
Handwaving the weakest part of the entire plot as a minor gripe here.

To go further in selling the tragedy of Anakin turning to the dark side would have required the following:
1. Setting up a believable romance between him and Padme, so his turn and her reaction to that turn would actually be emotionally resonant instead of stupid and unintentionally hilarious.
2. Setting up a believable friendship between Anakin and Obi-Wan, so that the duel and Obi-Wan's desperate attempts to win back his friends actually felt like they had stakes behind them.
3. Setting up Anakin as an actually brilliant Jedi instead of a whiny juvenile turdling with zero patience throughout all 3 films, so that the loss of a valuable asset to the resistance to Palpatine's schemes registers as a believable surprise to the rest of the cast.
4. Making any of Palpatine's machinations remotely believable, so that he stands as a truly formidable adversary who could turn a noble jedi dark instead of just a lucky idiot whose major success comes at the failings of an inept Jedi Council and Obi-Wan simply being away and unable to interfere.

They would have had to set up all of that in the previous two films, but they couldn't because Lucas just had to start his prequels with Anakin as a stupid fucking kid for the entire first movie, blowing half of the entire screentime he could have had to establish the start of a character arc for Darth Vader. And slopping together the relationships Anakin needed to sever to really sell that turn to the Dark side in Clones was so hamfisted and dull that there was no salvaging it in time for the third film. You laugh, and laugh HARD at Vader's 'NOOOOOOOOOOOO' because of how ice cold, shitty and unearned that black hole of an emotional outburst is.
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Killer Queen

Banned
Chuck said:
I'll never understand how people still try to say Phantom Menace is somehow the best of the prequel trilogy. It's a disgusting mess that went out of its way to ruin Star Wars.

Oh but it has a cool fight at the end
fuck offffffffffffffff
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Seriously.
At this point I'm just convinced that they didn't actually watch the movie.
It's the only explanation.
Because at least AOTC and ROTS do something to progress the story and aren't wildly offensive throughout their entire runtime.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Sith is a bad movie that people like because it's dark even though it bounces between insufferably goofy and child murder and has the dumbest action scenes.

People trying to attack TFA for being too unoriginal or whatever when this movie crams like every OT reference it can get in, because "omg now we know how Owen and Beru got Luke!"
 
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KeyBladerXIII

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Trigonometrize. said:
I love it in a way completely different from the other Star Wars movies. Shit like General Grievous being an asthmatic droid (I think that's what it's supposed to be?), Anakin just murdering hundreds of men, women, and children just so he can save Padme, all of the dialogue in the last thirty minutes, and the whole opening with all of the slapstick humor followed up be a decapitation is so weird that I can't help but enjoy it. It doesn't at all belong in the Star Wars saga but it's fun to watch unfold in its weirdest of ways. The other two prequels are just embarrassing, but there's something special about ROTS to me.
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I know it doesn't really help, but the Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars animated cartoon on Cartoon Network showed the abduction of Palatine from Coruscant. Grievous attacked but Mace Windu crushed his bag of organs, causing the cough.
 
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RareFantasy64

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DragonSworne said:
I'm convinced that trying to make ROTS good and make TFA bad is a plot of the alt-right.
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To me, TFA makes the prequels better in retrospect. TFA isn't a very good movie and if Lucas had never sold the franchise to Disney and had done TFA exactly as we have it, he and the movie would have been trashed for taking Han right back to his original self and undoing his character arc of the OT, breaking up the friendships between the big 3 from the ot, doing ANOTHER Vader (who completely misunderstands the person he idolizes), doing A THIRD DEATH STAR and completely redoing A New Hope. Everyone would say "See, Lucas only had one good idea ever, and he remade that idea with this ANH Remake"


TFA should not be given the 100s of passes it gets. It's such a safe, passable film that it's just there. But because it's the big new entry AFTER Lucas and it isn't awful, well it has all of the good will of society behind it and the movie gets way more praise than it is deserving of.

If Lucas had made TFA, it would be trashed as much as the prequels. And that's not right. TFA needs to be called out more on being a merely serviceable film.
 
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Dash_Riprock

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RareFantasy64 said:
To me, TFA makes the prequels better in retrospect. TFA isn't a very good movie and if Lucas had never sold the franchise to Disney and had done TFA exactly as we have it, he and the movie would have been trashed for taking Han right back to his original self and undoing his character arc of the OT, breaking up the friendships between the big 3 from the ot, doing ANOTHER Vader (who completely misunderstands the person he idolizes), doing A THIRD DEATH STAR and completely redoing A New Hope. Everyone would say "See, Lucas only had one good idea ever, and he remade that idea with this ANH Remake"


TFA should not be given the 100s of passes it gets. It's such a safe, passable film that it's just there. But because it's the big new entry AFTER Lucas and it isn't awful, well it has all of the good will of society behind it and the movie gets way more praise than it is deserving of.

If Lucas had made TFA, it would be trashed as much as the prequels. And that's not right. TFA needs to be called out more on being a merely serviceable film.
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This post reads like a parody.
 
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Killer Queen

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RareFantasy64 said:
To me, TFA makes the prequels better in retrospect. TFA isn't a very good movie and if Lucas had never sold the franchise to Disney and had done TFA exactly as we have it, he and the movie would have been trashed for taking Han right back to his original self and undoing his character arc of the OT, breaking up the friendships between the big 3 from the ot, doing ANOTHER Vader (who completely misunderstands the person he idolizes), doing A THIRD DEATH STAR and completely redoing A New Hope. Everyone would say "See, Lucas only had one good idea ever, and he remade that idea with this ANH Remake"


TFA should not be given the 100s of passes it gets. It's such a safe, passable film that it's just there. But because it's the big new entry AFTER Lucas and it isn't awful, well it has all of the good will of society behind it and the movie gets way more praise than it is deserving of.

If Lucas had made TFA, it would be trashed as much as the prequels. And that's not right. TFA needs to be called out more on being a merely serviceable film.
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I think you misunderstood TFA, especially if you don't realize that Kylo Ren mistakenly idolizing Darth Vader is entirely the point.

The idea that it's ANH 2.0 is greatly exaggerated also. I won't deny that Starkiller base is the most egregious example but nothing in TFA outside of that is bad or nearly as offensive as the prequels.
 
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