Is Mainstream Hatred Of Anime Growing?
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Antiwhippy
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Nah, to me shaft absolutely enhances the style of the source. They absolutely nail stuff like sayonara zetsubou sensei and Soredemo Machi.
What the point of turning things into animation if you can't take advantage of animation's greatest strengths?
Mauricio_Magus
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This is sarcasm, right?
Nightengale
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Every season, anywhere from 30-40+ shows new anime shows debut in Japan, with stuff that range all the way from eroge adaptions like Walkure Romanze to sports dramas like Baby Steps and heart-tuggers like Mushishi.
Sometimes some stuff are more/less than others, but generally I've never felt like there's a lack of shows that appeal to certain niches. Are you looking for the action flick equivalent of a summer brainless blockbuster? Its' there. You want a romance show? It's there. You want something that feels like there's an artistic depth to it? Rare, but it's there.
It's hard for me to empathise with the notion of 'mainstream' and 'anime', especially when mainstream probably pivots to a small minority out of the 30-40 shows every season.
Sometimes some stuff are more/less than others, but generally I've never felt like there's a lack of shows that appeal to certain niches. Are you looking for the action flick equivalent of a summer brainless blockbuster? Its' there. You want a romance show? It's there. You want something that feels like there's an artistic depth to it? Rare, but it's there.
It's hard for me to empathise with the notion of 'mainstream' and 'anime', especially when mainstream probably pivots to a small minority out of the 30-40 shows every season.
It comes down to people needing to make themselves look better for liking or not liking a certain thing.
Hence all of the "this is for kids" or "this is for basement dwellers" shit that occasionally pops up.
People need to just let people like what they like (within reason..because If I liked to shank people..I should be stopped obviously...) and keep it moving.
You aren't better than anyone because you like <insert high brow grown up entertainment here>..you just like that thing.
I think the internet tends to make everything a competition of superiority.
Hence all of the "this is for kids" or "this is for basement dwellers" shit that occasionally pops up.
People need to just let people like what they like (within reason..because If I liked to shank people..I should be stopped obviously...) and keep it moving.
You aren't better than anyone because you like <insert high brow grown up entertainment here>..you just like that thing.
I think the internet tends to make everything a competition of superiority.
Anime is just mechs and power levels the same way games are just first-person shooters and crime simulators. Believing it's all suitable for children is just as dense as someone making the same argument for games. If anything, the only reason you're unable to comprehend it or view it as anything other than low quality entertainment is because you don't appear to be interested in even trying.
This kind of posts makes me sad.
(1) anime isn't a genre. It's an american, maybe western, misconception that cartoons are only for children. They're not limited to children. There are anime for all ages, genders and taste, heavily varying in all aspects. Topics, art style, direction, quality of entertainment, wits, and every other aspect a show can have. There are huge differences between One Piece, Ars Nova, Mad Bull 34 and the Tatami Galaxy, and yet they're all anime.
(2) You know, you can have both. Consuming the classics and be entertained by new light and heavy media. Limiting yourself to be a snob who only dwells in the glory of the past would be quite silly. There is so much exciting new books, movies, tv shows and whatnot and you can find them in anime and manga as well.
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Just finished watching the other day. I think it's replaced Arrested Development season 4 as my favourite nonlinear narrative show.
Watch the first episode of Cowboy Bebop ("Asteroid Blues", should be on YouTube, hopefully it's the dubbed version) then come back and tell me how much my taste sucks.
Heal your broken anime heart. Take the Baccano! recommendation people gave here. I am sure you'll love it.
I had a somewhat anti anime mindset up until about 2 - 3 years ago, then I watched Akira and Ghost in the Shell and my mind was blown. Those two movies were like a gateway drug.
IMO, when it comes to the Internet small but vocal groups of people in various online communities take their anime fandom a bit too far (i.e. weaboos) and it only scares other people who aren't very familiar with the medium away.
IMO, when it comes to the Internet small but vocal groups of people in various online communities take their anime fandom a bit too far (i.e. weaboos) and it only scares other people who aren't very familiar with the medium away.
Nightengale
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Even amongst other medium like books, TV shows and movies, there's direct-to-video crap, teen novels and B-tier stuff that aren't anywhere close to being comparable to the top-end of their medium.
I personally see mainstream perception of anime being a similar case (most of the time). With the exception of anime movies where Ghibli are deservingly recognised as the comparative point ( even then, Mamoru Hosoda's stuff are highly under-appreciated ), other anime don't really get that same perception.
Mainstream talk about Game of Thrones/Sopranos/Breaking Bad/Boardwalk Empire... but they never really view anime's comparative titles in the same veins. Rarely are stuff like Mushishi, Ping Pong, The Eccentric Family or Space Brothers talked about even a tenth as much as stuff like Attack on Titan, Valverave, etc.
I personally see mainstream perception of anime being a similar case (most of the time). With the exception of anime movies where Ghibli are deservingly recognised as the comparative point ( even then, Mamoru Hosoda's stuff are highly under-appreciated ), other anime don't really get that same perception.
Mainstream talk about Game of Thrones/Sopranos/Breaking Bad/Boardwalk Empire... but they never really view anime's comparative titles in the same veins. Rarely are stuff like Mushishi, Ping Pong, The Eccentric Family or Space Brothers talked about even a tenth as much as stuff like Attack on Titan, Valverave, etc.
I'm excited to see anime and manga can do for other mediums and creative industries. Anime and manga were inspired by American comics, and shows like Avatar: The Last Airbender and its sequel give me hope that cartoons can learn from and be inspired by anime. Gimme more shows like Avatar.
Also, the moe/loli genre needs to die.
Anime nowadays does not feel the same as from the "good" old days. From DragonBall and Sailor Moon to Cowboy Bebop and Pokemon, anime stood out from other western cartoons by being... well, somewhat different. Now, don't get me wrong, they still do feel different in 2014. But most people I know think of teenage girls with DD breasts and no personality when they think of "anime" or "manga".
Obviously not even half the truth, but I guess only a few really good anime such as Attack on Titan can stand out from many other animes which have absolutely replacable characters and storylines- and sometimes really ridiculous moments.
Obviously not even half the truth, but I guess only a few really good anime such as Attack on Titan can stand out from many other animes which have absolutely replacable characters and storylines- and sometimes really ridiculous moments.
I agree that moe is a pit too dominant these days, but I greatly enjoyed a lot of moe shows. It's just not everyone's thing, telling it to die is a bit harsh.
If Attack on Titan is your indicator for really good anime, then there are surely quite a few more to find.
Aaron-Lagann
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Wiktor
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In 99% of cases the original is superior. Most manga adaptation of light novels and anime are also inferior to the source material.
Wiktor
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There is more than one way to do animation and use it's strenghts to enchance the story.
SHAFT does well when the story itself is a little crazy, like with Zetsubou Sensei or Bakemonogatari. But their style is very strong and the problems arise when they mantain it despite it doesn't fitting the story, like with EF or Rec
Why do you mention Rec? It has none of the shaft crazyness. And I felt that it worked pretty well in ef.
Where it didn't work was Nisekoi.
Nightengale
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The problem with light novel adaptions is that more often than not, studios are trying to cram the content into a tight 3-4 episode, rather than having the flexibility to figure out how to maximise the value of the source material.
I mean, KyoAni is still arguably the best studio when it comes to light novel adaption because most of the time, their adaptions aren't constrained by the typical '3-4 episodes per book' approach that many other studios do, and because they don't, they figure out how to maximise the strength of their adaption.
Haruhi's non-linear adaption was genius. And the extra content for FMP TSR added minor, but enjoyable depth to what was a tight story that could've been done in 10 episodes.
Aaron-Lagann
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I liked the Chuni anime more than the light novel.
As an aside, I've had discussions with friends about Giant Bomb's outright dismissal over some Japanese stuff. The cast feels like they could use a charismatic dude from the 8-4 crew who non ironically likes weird Japanese things. Like even if a thing seems slightly weird they're super quick to dismiss.
Outside GB though, I never talk anime outside of the internet so I have no fucking clue.
Outside GB though, I never talk anime outside of the internet so I have no fucking clue.
Nightengale
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I do too, I think it's better. Same with The Second Raid and Haruhi ( S1 ) and Disappearance.
I feel like KyoAni 'gets it' when it comes to adapting light novels, most of the time. They make changes/additions here and there, but it's generally well-served to add impact to the scenes that matter. They know how to maximise the emotional impact that are the keystones of the adaption they make, and a lot of them comes from the little things they add beyond what was in the books.
I'd say it's the opposite to be honest. Attack on Titan was pretty big, and as new generations come in they are definitely more accepting of it than the old.
Eh, that's really just Sturgeon's law at work though.
Wiktor
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I think in both cases SHAFT removed most of emotional warmth from those stories. EF also lost it's visual beauty. And I have no idea why the hell did they decide to make half episodes for Rec instead of all regular ones
Wiktor
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That troll was awesome and even if someone thought it sucked they more than made up for it with Disappearance imoBut....but...Haruhi's second season.....
Best trolls in anime industry
Nightengale
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But....but...Haruhi's second season.....
Best trolls in anime industry
Well, the rest of the industry suck so much that even Haruhi S2 couldn't drag KyoAni from the driver's seat.
Besides, Haruhi S2 was... not a bad adaption, but it was definitely a troll-tastic adaption.
Aaron-Lagann
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If I had one complaint about GB it would be that they're too much on the same page and are too set in their ways. I know that's part of Jeff's shtick and I like his craziness, but they're really dismissive of a ton of stuff that they would probably like, even outside of anime or Japanese stuff. And while Patrick doesn't like anime any more than the others, he's more willing to look past that and review a game like Danganronpa, which for the sake of variety they need more of.
Most anything is dumb. And hardcore fans are always weird.
SlowRevolution
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context clues have been no help at all when it comes to teaching me what moe means, but I'm afraid of looking it up and jumping down that rabbit hole
plasmawave
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Jeff gave Syndicate a 5/5 starts... so... who cares what he thinks? 
In contrast to most american tv shows that are all intelligent and fantastic.
I didn't read the ef novel, but I read the Rec manga and I thought that the anime adaption was fine. An adaption don't have to be exactly what it's adapt. I think the Rec anime is a small, but sweet little love story.
Aaron-Lagann
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It pretty much just means cute. There's very slightly different meanings but at the end of the day it's just cute.
When someone says moe in reference to a series, that means it's like K-ON! where most of the content of the series is "Cute girls doing cute things."
Jeff gave Syndicate a 5/5 starts... so... who cares what he thinks?
Part of being a GB fan is learning to ignore most of their opinions, which is a weird thing to say about a game coverage site.
Turin Turambar
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First Rose of Versailles is from 1979-1980.
Trigun from 1988.
Slam Dunk from 1993.
Mushishi is from 2005-2006.
You are choosing from a 25 year span!
You still have Ghibli movies (well, up to now), the superior second run of HxH, another season of Mushishi running this very same year, Ping Pong, Madoka, Stein's Gate, Haikyuu, Parasyte, Tatami's Galaxy, Space Dandy, Uchouten kazoku, Attack on the Titan, Space Dandy, Silver Spoon, Gekkan Shojo, Barakamon, Bakemonogatari and JoJo if they are your thing and more.
My girlfriend is currently showing me an anime that's about a nerd who had a falling out with his father over his slightly less than perfect grades and moves to a farming school. There he learns about physical work, helping people and the ethical dilemmas of farming. No mechs, no power levels.
Aaron-Lagann
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What do you think tractors are? Farming Mecha! How can you say power levels aren't involved then reference grades?!
That guy is nuts.
pants
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I find this all weird though, do people consider themselves as hating TV shows? I'm confident if asked most people here consider most TV shows to be trash but will enjoy that one or two shows they like. Anime is the same, it isnt a single genre, people tend to want to stick the worst shit to anime as a whole when we have stuff like Mushishi running this season. Awful people with awful arguments borne from ignorance.
Wiktor
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I hated it while it lasted, but overall I'm really glad somebody had enough balls to do something this terrible. It was historical
I wonder the same thing. Every god damn season has some 20+ shows airing. Granted I wouldn't expect every season to be stellar but it isn't unreasonable to think you might just like something from each year if you checked at least once every season... it's a lot of shows between every season.
I just counted the shows in the anichart, this season we have 53 shows running: 36 new ones in full length, 8 shorts and 9 that continues into or through this season. That don't count even stuff like Sazae-san or Shin-chan.
With all the popularity of both GoT and Attack on Titan have, Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime remake surely will save us.
Baccano! should be the entry point of anime for western audience.
This is a really good nutshell post.
By anime avatar, do you mean moe/loli one right? When the avatar is Ginko/Spike Spiegel, it'll be different story.
Did you just...conveniently ignored crappy guro and over-violent OVA from 90's era? Like anyone said, it's all about the information access, internet makes it easier for us to see the 90% of sturgeon especially when we are not living in the origin country.
It's revolutionary, but when someone asked a good example of genre deconstruction, I would point to Puella Magi Madoka Magica first. Damn, that shows well executed nearly in every regard.
Baccano! should be the entry point of anime for western audience.
The long running economic recession in Japan has caused the medium to grow increasingly insular. Eventually it became more profitable to be hyper-focused on very particular niches rather than going for mass appeal.
cheezcake
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