johnny_park
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Not this year. Only way Denver doesn't win is if he get's injured.
Is Peyton Manning the best quarterback of all time? No.
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Captain Tuttle
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Montana is the only answer
I know fuck all about football, but being from Wisconsin I think I'm obligated to say Brett Favre, whether or not he's even remotely close to being the best of all time from a purely statistical perspective. I grew up hearing his name every six seconds, so I'm gonna go ahead and assume he'd at least crack the top 10.
XiaNaphryz
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I thought most 'sconis have disowned Favre at this point?
You give Marino the teams Montana had and its not even a contest, Dan was that good.
BadAss2961
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I don't know about best ever, but Peyton's easily the best of our generation.
Brady's grossly overrated. He's good in the Patriots system, but that's about it. His ability wouldn't put an average team over the way Peyton's proven to.
Brady's grossly overrated. He's good in the Patriots system, but that's about it. His ability wouldn't put an average team over the way Peyton's proven to.
johnny_park
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Elway is better than the both of them.
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Favre has the same number of Super Bowl appearances and wins (2/1), also early in his career, never put him out of consideration.
Peyton's a contender, without a doubt.
ryutaro's mama
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Luck will be better than all.
On paper he is, imo. I think he just needs to remove the blemish on his post season woes.
He's my favorite player ever
And I'd like to say he's the best, but I honestly don't care anymore since I'm biased as fuck. If people think he's a choker they have an argument, if they think he is GOAT they have an argument.
I'd put Peyton top 5 though.
Not really.
On paper he is, imo. I think he just needs to remove the blemish on his post season woes.
He's my favorite player ever
until Luck wins us 3 championships.
I'd put Peyton top 5 though.
SmileBit199
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LYiGZJ6lQ
As much as I like Tom Brady, the above video proves he isn't the greatest of his generation, let alone all time.
Peyton is arguably the smartest QB to ever play the game and he has the body of a prototype pocket passer.
The only weaknesses he has is playing with Tony Dungy instead of Bill Belicheck.
As much as I like Tom Brady, the above video proves he isn't the greatest of his generation, let alone all time.
Peyton is arguably the smartest QB to ever play the game and he has the body of a prototype pocket passer.
The only weaknesses he has is playing with Tony Dungy instead of Bill Belicheck.
DeaconKnowledge
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Peyton will do something directly to seal the loss (like he did last season) and people will eat their own shit to excuse it you mean.
timetokill
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Gotta admit, it's hard to hate on Batman
DUFFMCWALIN
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No he's not don't be stupid.
Anyone not saying Montana at first is fundamentally wrong, period. Its not even a fucking conversation.
johnny_park
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My opinion bro, can't be wrong.
Put Elway on those SF teams and he would have just as many rings. Put Montana in Denver he would've died behind those o-lines.
Wasn't that after he was retired?
zeroeffect
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Look, Manning is an incredible QB. Perhaps one of the greatest regular season QBs ever. When it comes to playoff time though...he's one of the most overrated. I can't tell you the countless times this guy has choked away a playoff game for his team. I say it every year to my friends when I'm watching playoffs...when it comes to clutch time, Manning is an INT machine in the playoffs. Even the year he won the SB, his defense bailed him out of a bad performance in the AFC championship game where he threw a critical INT late in the game. He choked many games way to Patriots in the playoffs too. He always said he wanted to throw the winning TD growing up as a Saints fan...he did exactly that in the SB game.
Is he one of the greatest ever? Absolutely. Is he one of the most overrated playoff QB ever? Yes. If that makes sense at all. The funny thing is his brother is the complete opposite. He seems mediocre in the regular season but when playoffs come around Eli goes off lol. I think Tom Brady is better than him.
Serious question: does anyone have his career numbers for the playoffs? I'll bet he has a really high INT ratio compared to TDs. It's funny because when he played the Ravens in the playoffs recently I was sitting there and I told my friend, "I'll bet he throws an INT in this game at a critical moment". As soon as I said it that happened...I was laughing so hard. I'm definitely not going to say anybody who thinks Peyton is the greatest QB of all time is wrong. You could definitely make an argument. For me personally, you have to be clutch in the playoffs to be in that discussion and I don't believe he is, IMO.
I think a QB really underrated is Brees. When you consider he basically can't see over his lineman and has to process information 2x faster than most QBs and anticipate routes more because his vision is often blocked...incredible. He is statistically better than both Brady and Manning over the span since he went to the Saints. He has looked great in the playoffs too and has only lost thanks to a horrible defense. It's a team game after all and he gets lost in that talk because he has had some awful defenses and people forget his performances. That playoff game against 49ers against a great defense was an amazing game. One of the best I saw that year.
Is he one of the greatest ever? Absolutely. Is he one of the most overrated playoff QB ever? Yes. If that makes sense at all. The funny thing is his brother is the complete opposite. He seems mediocre in the regular season but when playoffs come around Eli goes off lol. I think Tom Brady is better than him.
Serious question: does anyone have his career numbers for the playoffs? I'll bet he has a really high INT ratio compared to TDs. It's funny because when he played the Ravens in the playoffs recently I was sitting there and I told my friend, "I'll bet he throws an INT in this game at a critical moment". As soon as I said it that happened...I was laughing so hard. I'm definitely not going to say anybody who thinks Peyton is the greatest QB of all time is wrong. You could definitely make an argument. For me personally, you have to be clutch in the playoffs to be in that discussion and I don't believe he is, IMO.
I think a QB really underrated is Brees. When you consider he basically can't see over his lineman and has to process information 2x faster than most QBs and anticipate routes more because his vision is often blocked...incredible. He is statistically better than both Brady and Manning over the span since he went to the Saints. He has looked great in the playoffs too and has only lost thanks to a horrible defense. It's a team game after all and he gets lost in that talk because he has had some awful defenses and people forget his performances. That playoff game against 49ers against a great defense was an amazing game. One of the best I saw that year.
bluelightningduo
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Brady all day.
OP gave me PTSD flashbacks of living in the hellhole that is Fort Wayne Indiana and listening to an entire city of bible thumping psychos drone on about the colts, jesus, and voting red no matter what for muria.
sorry OP, I know that wasn't the intention, I just cant think of Manning without thinking about the colts which creates immense irritation and hatred to flow from my experiences living in Colt country.
sorry OP, I know that wasn't the intention, I just cant think of Manning without thinking about the colts which creates immense irritation and hatred to flow from my experiences living in Colt country.
johnny_park
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32 tds 21 ints
The_Joker1721
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Brady goes down. Patriots go 11-5 with Matt Cassel. Manning goes down. Team goes 2-14. This sealed it for me personally. All of the colts problems came up only this time Manning wasn't there to bail them out. I still remember the loss to the saints without him. That was embarrassing.
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BadAss2961
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You mean he can't out think a team spying on his offense. lol
that team cassel inherited won 18 games the year before. your reasoning is prettttttty terrible.
Peyton's not even the best quarterback named Manning, let alone of all time.
Buckethead
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This guy:
He don't even give a shit!
Look at his phone answering skills!
Hipster Quarterback >
... and his wife is smokin!
He don't even give a shit!
Look at his phone answering skills!
Hipster Quarterback >
... and his wife is smokin!
zeroeffect
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That's pretty high...
Keep in mind he rakes up TDs against lesser teams in the playoffs. I'm just going off what I've seen over the years and I've watched Peyton closely. I knew he had a high INT ratio. He presses too hard when playoffs roll around. I think it has a lot to do with the NFL converts from being a pure offensive league during the regular season to allowing defenses to play in the playoffs and get away with more things to keep the games "exciting". I don't know if other people have noticed that. Offenses get more handicapped in the playoffs than they do when regular season is going on. The NFL wants closer games so they allow defenses to play more.
Goes back to the old saying defense wins championships. Can't think of any recent SB win where a team had a great offense and a crappy defense. I can think of teams that had mediocre offenses but great defenses and won.
lucius
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Oh yeah baby now we know who is best
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Put Montana on those 90's Cowboy teams and he could have won 6 or 7 Super Bowls. If he had played in todays NFL he couldve won 10 straight.
See we can both say ridiculous things.
Chad Pennington. He and former Jets OC Paul Hackett changed the game forever. Look at how many teams that have scrawny ass white guys that can't throw hard or long (YEAH YOU MAKE THAT PENIS JOKE YOU FILTHY CRETIN) and can't run.
The Jets' decade long dynasty is built on the injury prone shoulder of Chad Pennington.
The Jets' decade long dynasty is built on the injury prone shoulder of Chad Pennington.
Officerrob
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Nope. I just can't endorse him being labeled the best ever with a 9-11 postseason record, eight of those being one and done. He's a great QB, one of the best ever, but has wilted far too many times when it has counted the most.
johnny_park
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I'm a huge broncos fan and even I knew what was going to happen in the playoffs. I'm hoping this year will be different.
You are a good and honest person.
Manning is the best quarterback of his era. He may be the greatest ever.
Bumblebeetuna
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I would put Marino and Elway as 1A and 1B, and then Peyton and Montana 2A and 2B.
I put the first two where they are because they did unbelievable things with some shitty talent around them. Could you imagine what those 2 could have done with the talent Montana had around him? Elway eventually got his rings when they assembled a team around him. A luxury Daniel was never afforded.
I think that Montana played in a harder era than Peyton, but the amount of work Peyton puts in and the amount of control he has over the offense levels that gap for me personally. I mean, you know those shitty Madden tourney shows that used to come on and guys are hot routing and moving guys around and audibling and motioning like crazy just to give themselves some BS advantage? That's what Peyton does on a typical play. I've only been watching football since the late 80's, but every other QB I have seen has been playing checkers while Peyton is playing chess.
There are a lot of Brady posts in this thread but I don't understand them. He was not even the reason the Patriots had a dynasty. They had a dynasty because of Bill and that defense. Once it was dismantled or signed away or retired, Brady simply became exactly what douchebags (aka Patriots "fans") used to taunt Peyton for being: an elite regular season QB who puts up awesome stats but fails in the playoffs. Furthermore he doesn't control the offense like Peyton does. The Patriots have (had) a great system, but it was one not reliant on Tom Brady. See: 2009 or whenever, when fucking Matt Cassel lead them to 11-5. Meanwhile Peyton goes down and the Colts are abysmal.
Just ask yourselves the same question I posed above about Marino/Elway and Montana. If you took those awesome defenses the Patriots had and put an offensive mastermind like Peyton at QB, would they not have won the same, if not more, Super Bowls? Meanwhile, the Colts teams with their porous defenses and shitty special teams, put Brady on there and what happens? They stink.
I put the first two where they are because they did unbelievable things with some shitty talent around them. Could you imagine what those 2 could have done with the talent Montana had around him? Elway eventually got his rings when they assembled a team around him. A luxury Daniel was never afforded.
I think that Montana played in a harder era than Peyton, but the amount of work Peyton puts in and the amount of control he has over the offense levels that gap for me personally. I mean, you know those shitty Madden tourney shows that used to come on and guys are hot routing and moving guys around and audibling and motioning like crazy just to give themselves some BS advantage? That's what Peyton does on a typical play. I've only been watching football since the late 80's, but every other QB I have seen has been playing checkers while Peyton is playing chess.
There are a lot of Brady posts in this thread but I don't understand them. He was not even the reason the Patriots had a dynasty. They had a dynasty because of Bill and that defense. Once it was dismantled or signed away or retired, Brady simply became exactly what douchebags (aka Patriots "fans") used to taunt Peyton for being: an elite regular season QB who puts up awesome stats but fails in the playoffs. Furthermore he doesn't control the offense like Peyton does. The Patriots have (had) a great system, but it was one not reliant on Tom Brady. See: 2009 or whenever, when fucking Matt Cassel lead them to 11-5. Meanwhile Peyton goes down and the Colts are abysmal.
Just ask yourselves the same question I posed above about Marino/Elway and Montana. If you took those awesome defenses the Patriots had and put an offensive mastermind like Peyton at QB, would they not have won the same, if not more, Super Bowls? Meanwhile, the Colts teams with their porous defenses and shitty special teams, put Brady on there and what happens? They stink.
There's no way to spin 31 tds and 21 picks as 'bad'. It's merely good.
As others have said though football is a team game. It's also the type of game that allows a not so good but hot team to go deep into the playoffs. Seeding/regular season record you can basically throw out going in. Unlike a game like basketball (and to a lesser extent baseball) where the best team has a really good shot of going all the way through.
Plus the dude has won one.
I don't know. To me when I watch Peyton play the game I can't think he's anything but the GOAT. I just don't think anyone exerts the same level of near total control over a game he does.
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Elway GOAT, ol Horseface was a hell of a QB. Forget talk about the rest of the team, too - Elway was the best.
CrocMother
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Troy Aikman > Tom Brady
Exactly. The league has done a great job of averting the catastrophe of having to explain how the Patriots cheated their way to a dynasty. We will never know the extent of their cheating, because the league burned the tapes, slapped the Patriots on the wrist, and let them keep their titles.
How old are you though? Have you really seen many full games of Unitas, Montana, Marino, Elway? Even if you are i. Your late 30s, it would have been a while since you saw Marino or Elway, and you would have been young when you saw Montana, and you would have never seen Unitas live.
Goat discussions boil down to stat comparisons for anybody who isn't 110 years old. And what can you really tell from stat lines?
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Have the Patriots wronged you friend?
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