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[Luckett_X]

I mainly respect the Dreamcast for the sheer amount of new IP's it pumped out. Sega really drained its creative juices dry. Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Rez, Space Channel 5, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi etc.

In comparison, Nintendo the 'great innovators' brought very little in the way of new IP's other than Pikmin really. There was just nothing really 'new' to the Gamecube that Nintendo hadnt spewed out before, and lack of 3rd party titles just makes the line-up feel so dull.

 

[daemonic]

I'm thinking yes, but at the same time, it's largely lacking in the racing, fighting and rpg departments. It does have it's fair share of excellent titles though. I own 50 games for the system, all well worth the money.

 

[Kabuki Waq]

the only truly great games in nintendo's line up are:
re4 and SSB:M


Waverace, papermario and pikmin 2 are also buy worthy.


The rest are either better on other consoles or just plain average to mediocre.

 

[TheDiave]

F-Zero GX - Sloppy but slick. I don't know how Amusement Vision pulled that off but they did.

Sloppy? How the hell was the game sloppy?

Anyway, I agree with the main point of this thread. The 'Cube is underrated, IMO. I've got all the current systems, and my 'Cube consistently grabs my attention believe it or not.

 

[Link316]

its overrated cause I find the N64's overall lineup to be much much better

 

[DECK'ARD]

I mainly respect the Dreamcast for the sheer amount of new IP's it pumped out. Sega really drained its creative juices dry. Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Rez, Space Channel 5, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi etc.

In comparison, Nintendo the 'great innovators' brought very little in the way of new IP's other than Pikmin really. There was just nothing really 'new' to the Gamecube that Nintendo hadnt spewed out before, and lack of 3rd party titles just makes the line-up feel so dull.

Agreed. Dreamcast seemed really fresh and original, it really got me back into games actually. I was really interested in seeing what was going to come out next from each of the internal studios. Making each their own company and brand may not have made great business sense in the end, but it really did bring out the best in them.

I'm hoping Nintendo mean what they say with Revolution, and that it will see a similar focus on originality and experimentation as we saw with Sega in the Dreamcast days.

 

[shpankey]

I would say no... other than a few great titles (and one amazing one, RE4) I don't think the lineup is all that good, especially when compared to the other two systems.

 

[IAmtheFMan]

Underrated by the masses, overrated by the online community.

 

[Unison]

I mainly respect the Dreamcast for the sheer amount of new IP's it pumped out. Sega really drained its creative juices dry. Skies of Arcadia, Jet Set Radio, Rez, Space Channel 5, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi etc.

In comparison, Nintendo the 'great innovators' brought very little in the way of new IP's other than Pikmin really. There was just nothing really 'new' to the Gamecube that Nintendo hadnt spewed out before, and lack of 3rd party titles just makes the line-up feel so dull.

Yup... I'd have to give DC the edge over GC because of this.

 

[Tony HoTT]

It's not solid through an through or anything but by the time all is said and done and the cube is dead there will be atleast 10 games I'd keep forever. I sold my N64 and all of it's games. I definitely never want to remember it.

The GC is what the N64 should have been only one generation late. Well minus the graphics, and mini dvd format.

 

[Insertia]

Alls I know is I haven't touched my GC since completeting RE4 whenever it was released.

And Metroid Prime sucks.

Alls I know.

 

[Leatherface]

If Nintendo had the third party support of say Microsoft, it would have easily been my favorite console this gen. My favorite games have all been on the Cube, and Nintendo hardly ever disappoints with their software. However, I hate sitting in the corner watching Nintendo (for one reason or another), get the shaft with 3rd parties. It truely pisses me off to no end. =(

 

[Prine]

extremly overrated


You bastards tricked me into buying ToS. Fucking worst game i've played this gen, never ever going to listen to you guys ever again. And i thought nothing would be able to top Eternal Darkness overhyping. Fuck'in hell

Makes me sad and angry that i contributed to that peice of shit sales in US ;_; $50 could have gone to Tim Schafer

N64>GC

M64, Zelda OoT, WCW/NWO revenge, WWE Wreslemania 16, Goldeneye, Diddy Kong Racing Perfect Dark, No Mercy, Jet Force Gemini, Starfox 64, MK64 >>> RE4 and Zelda

Far more memorable gaming moments on N64

 

[jgkspsx]

Overrated by N-fans, underrated by the rest. I guess.

Indeed, much like the Dreamcast (which is in its final "fan backlash" stage before it settles down into an old, uncontroversial memory ).

I'd take either over the N64 library in a heartbeat, though. It had, what, Starfox 64 and Pilotwings 64? I love 'em both, but it was really pathetic.

 

[_Angelus_]

I can't bare to watch. One hand over my eye while the other slips a crack so I can get a slight look. This thread will not end well.:lol

 

[Zeo]

GC > N64 in almost every way.

Definitely an incredibly underrated system, it's almost always been better than Xbox, gameswise.

I think GC and PS2 are just about equal in terms of quality. I've always played them pretty much the same amount throughout this gen.

underrated why? it's overrated. outside nintendos own games there is nothing exclusive worth mentoning.

So I guess Tales of Symphonia, MGS: TTS, Baten Kaitos, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe (even though it went to PS2, that was 10 months later), Star Wars: Rogue Leader, PSO Episode 3, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil Zero, Super Monkey Ball 1-2... They all suck.

Alright then.

 

[Red Blaster]

So I guess Tales of Symphonia, MGS: TTS, Baten Kaitos, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe (even though it went to PS2, that was 10 months later), Star Wars: Rogue Leader, PSO Episode 3, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil Zero, Super Monkey Ball 1-2... They all suck.

Alright then.

Most of those aren't exclusive, and some (Rogue Leader) just suck.

 

[Zeo]

Most of those aren't exclusive, and some (Rogue Leader) just suck.

.. Uh, what? Every single one of those were exclusive and the only two that ended up going to another platform (RE4 and VJ) happened almost a year later.

And Rogue Leader is AWESOME. You may not like it, but that doesn't change how good it is.

 

[Red Blaster]

.. Uh, what? Every single one of those were exclusive and the only two that ended up going to another platform (RE4 and VJ) happened almost a year later.

Symphonia's on PS2 in Japan, but that may not count. MGS:TTS is merely a port with overhauled graphics and shitty remixed music. Super Monkey Ball 1-2 are also on Xdude and PS2 via Super Monkey Ball Deluxe.

And Rogue is a fucking piss-easy shooting gallery that was overrated due ot launch hype.

 

[Zeo]

Symphonia's on PS2 in Japan, but that may not count. MGS:TTS is merely a port with overhauled graphics and shitty remixed music. Super Monkey Ball 1-2 are also on Xdude and PS2 via Super Monkey Ball Deluxe.

And Rogue is a fucking piss-easy shooting gallery that was overrated due ot launch hype.

So then I guess the original Rogue on N64 was overrated due to launch hype too? It's a great game, end of story.

Symphonia is on PS2 in Japan, yes. But why would we be talking about exclusives in Japan?

MGS:TTS is not just a "port". The gameplay is feels much more like the superior MGS2 gameplay (minus the crap story), the graphics were much better, and the music was GREAT. No matter your opinion, it is exclusive and the only part that was better about the original game was the voice acting.

I can't believe you're even trying to act as if SMB1-2 aren't GC exclusives. SMB1 was ONLY on GC for 3 and a half years (and SMB2 for 2 and a half years). PS2 and Xbox get it 3 years later with MUCH worse controls (the analog is MUCH better on GC for this game), and you count that as not being an exlusive?

 

[Dalthien]

For myself, I feel the Cube is a bit underrated. Many seem to automatically relegate it to third place, but I feel that it definitely holds it own against the X-box.

Clearly, the PS2 has the most complete and vast library, but for my tastes, everything on the X-box is available elsewhere. I really only do single-player gaming, so X-box live is wasted on my, and all the great X-box stuff, I bought for PC (KOTOR 1 &2, Halo, Psychonauts, Riddick, soon to be Fable, etc.). The only two exclusive titles for X-box that interest me are Oddworld: Strangers Wrath and Ninja Gaiden.

On the other hand, I have always been a fan of Nintendo properties, so all of the Nintendo exclusives (plus Rogue Squadron, REMake, RE Zero, etc) far outweigh the two X-box games which interest me.

Now, for those who dislike Nintendo properties, or those who enjoy online gaming the Xbox is a viable choice.

 

[Flo_Evans]

well that kind of depends on how you rate it. It has a few really good games. I would not put it above the DC if we ar ecomparing the whole lineup. While the some GC games are far better than anything on the DC, the DC had more variety and volume in half the time on the market.

GC has no good sim racer, except for SCII no good fighters. It really doesn't have many RPGs or SRPGs.

 

[John Harker]

I just think its very interesting to note that my last few GC purchases consecutively have been M-rated titles...
(Re4, Killer7, Geist...)

(yea, im gonna get it)

Too late in the consoles lifetime, its such a shame...

(preceeded by three RPGs in a row?
Paper Mario 2, Baten Kaitos, Tales of Symphona?)

I think the GC lineup has been pretty damn good as of late.
Too bad it didn't start off this strong/diverse.

 

[FightyF]

The DC also had some of the best sports games ever...compared to the GC which had next to nothing (esp in terms of quality).

I think the GC's lineup is uh...rated just right.

The great GC titles get the attention they deserve...don't they? What more can anyone ask for?

 

[Synbios459]

No matter whether you think the GC is underrated or overrated there is one thing you must admit: When it comes to multiplayer games GC>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>PS2.

I mean Xbox has Halo, and the PS2 has only 2 ports LOL.

I have 28 GC games, 15 PS2 games (I would have more but I just rent games and put them on my HDLoader), and 8 Xbox games.

The thing about it is, if Microsoft didn't have Halo chances are the Xbox most likely wouldn't have last. Granted Microsoft were the only ones to get there rears in gear when it came to online play, but had it not had the oppurtunity to put an awesome game like Halo online I doubt they would've really bothered.

And Microsoft including a Hard drive was an EXCELLENT dicision and is great for people who don't want to spend lots of money on memory cards, ESPECIALLY Sports games.

 

[drohne]

i can't think of many gc games i'll replay in the years to come. maybe monkey ball and kururin paradise? and none of the big nintendo games were as good as their n64 predecessors. i think i might sell my cube after i play realda.

 

[Zeo]

The great GC titles get the attention they deserve...don't they?

Some do. A lot don't. RE4 deserves GTA:SA numbers. DK: Jungle Beat deserves at least Mario Sunshine numbers. Etc.

No matter whether you think the GC is underrated or overrated there is one thing you must admit: When it comes to multiplayer games GC>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>PS2.

No question about it. And online play isn't the subject here, before anyone brings it up. He's talking about regular mulitplayer where people actually *gasp* interact in real life. :O

And GC unquestionably is the best when it comes to that. (Xbox is the best for online play though, obviously.)

 

[Zeo]

i can't think of many gc games i'll replay in the years to come. maybe monkey ball and kururin paradise? and none of the big nintendo games were as good as their n64 predecessors. i think i might sell my cube after i play realda.

Dunno, seemed like a mixed bag.

Mario 64 > Mario Sunshine
Mario Kart 64 < Double Dash
Majora's Mask < Wind Waker but
Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker
Power Tennis >> Tennis 64 (definitely)
Mario Golf GC > Golf 64

I'm willing to bet the upcoming Kirby is a lot better than Kirby 64 too. But we'll see.

1080 and Wave Race, I'll leave up in the air. They could go either way (I liked Wave Race 64 more and 1080 Avalanche more, myself).

Plenty of GC games I'll be going back to though. Mario Power Tennis is one of the best and most fun multiplayer games this gen. Mario Sunshine was one of the best platformers this gen that I've already gone back to. RE4? That's definitely the kind of game I'll go back to when next gen stuff comes around. Pikmin 2? Definitely. The Monkey Ball games, yep.

Guess it just depends.

(And whoever first used the name "Realda" needs to be shot, on the spot.)

 

[Nick]

I think a lot of the winners on the GCN were really underrated. I personally think F Z-ero GX is one of the best racers this generation, and yet it was merely vaporware to most people.

 

[Baron Aloha]

I don't think its underrated by the gaming media, hardcore gamers and whatnot. There are a lot of critically praised games on the system.

But I do think it is seriously underrated by the general public. People never seemed to want to give it a chance.

 

[FightyF]

Some do. A lot don't. RE4 deserves GTA:SA numbers. DK: Jungle Beat deserves at least Mario Sunshine numbers. Etc.

Well sales numbers is another issue. Whether or not Nintendo fans adopt these games...is a different issue than having these games critically acclaimed, which was what I was meaning (sorry for not being explicit about it).

No question about it. And online play isn't the subject here, before anyone brings it up. He's talking about regular mulitplayer where people actually *gasp* interact in real life. :O

And GC unquestionably is the best when it comes to that. (Xbox is the best for online play though, obviously.)

I disagree, but I won't deny that it's a debatable topic.

My POV stems from the fact that the Xbox has a larger array of Sports games and FPS games to play in multiplayer format. I've played MANY 16 player LAN Halo, Halo 2 parties. At these same parties, I've had many multiplayer PGR2 sessions, multiplayer NHL 2K3/4/5 sessions, many multiplayer Time Splitter games, and played games like Kung Fu Chaos and Top Spin for hours. Oh, and 4 player Dead or Alive sessions heheh those get crazy. People even play 4 player Tetris. Heck, even tonight I'm having some friends come over and we're gonna play some Winning Eleven.

I did bring my GC along to these LAN parties in a few cases and people play Smash Bros and such, but the Xbox gets all the multiplayer action. There is something for everyone (from FPS to sports to fighters to puzzlers). To me and to many of my friends that own both consoles...there is only one multiplayer console, the Xbox. I mean, if you did an actual side by side comparison of the games...the Xbox would come out on top anyways, never mind my own experiences.

 

[Oblivion]

GC > N64 in almost every way.

Huh? Besides more third party support, and graphics (which is to be expected for a new console), the GC can't hold a candle to the N64, at least in terms of First party offerings. Nintendo pulled some weird shit this generation. Before, nearly every major first party title would have easily kicked the shit out of the best third party game, but now at best, they seem to only match them.

 

[Prine]

No matter whether you think the GC is underrated or overrated there is one thing you must admit: When it comes to multiplayer games GC>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>PS2.

Get the fuck out of here. I've played a few decent multiplayer game on GC, i was looking foward to Mario Kart but Nintendo fucked it up. Couldnt get into SSBM either. I liked monkeyball multiplayer. That was fun

PS2, im always playing Pro Evolution and Smackdown multiplayer

Xbox: Halo (co-op, multiplayer), Halo2 (co-op, multiplayer), DOA3 (multiplayer), Top Spin Tennis (4 player), Links 2004 (4 player), Burnout 2 and 3 (multiplayer), PGR2 (multiplayer) ... thats just off the top of my head

 

[HooDoo]

Get the fuck out of here. I've played a few decent multiplayer game on GC, i was looking foward to Mario Kart but Nintendo fucked it up. Couldnt get into SSBM either. I liked monkeyball multiplayer. That was fun

PS2, im always playing Pro Evolution and Smackdown multiplayer

Xbox: Halo (co-op, multiplayer), Halo2 (co-op, multiplayer), DOA3 (multiplayer), Top Spin Tennis (4 player), Links 2004 (4 player), Burnout 2 and 3 (multiplayer), PGR2 (multiplayer) ... thats just off the top of my head

Obviously if you don't even bother mentioning games like Mario Party, Mario Tennis or F-Zero and if you claim that 2 of the best multiplayers games of this generation suck the GC line-up looks poor. Next time you'll tell us Burnout 2 is a great multiplayers game on xbox and ps2 only but the gc version sucked ?

 

[Red Blaster]

MGS:TTS is not just a "port". The gameplay is feels much more like the superior MGS2 gameplay (minus the crap story), the graphics were much better, and the music was GREAT. No matter your opinion, it is exclusive and the only part that was better about the original game was the voice acting.

I can't believe you're even trying to act as if SMB1-2 aren't GC exclusives. SMB1 was ONLY on GC for 3 and a half years (and SMB2 for 2 and a half years). PS2 and Xbox get it 3 years later with MUCH worse controls (the analog is MUCH better on GC for this game), and you count that as not being an exlusive?

MGS:TTS is a port, IMO. SK did nothing to adapt the game to MGS2 style control (which don't work on the GC controller anyway). This made the game extremely easy. Not to mention the fact that the game isn't even as good looking as MGS2 and can't keep the same framerate either.

And something's not exclusive if I can play it on another console, and thus SMB falls in that category.

 

[Solid]

So I guess Tales of Symphonia, MGS: TTS, Baten Kaitos, Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe (even though it went to PS2, that was 10 months later), Star Wars: Rogue Leader, PSO Episode 3, Resident Evil remake, Resident Evil Zero, Super Monkey Ball 1-2... They all suck.

Alright then.

eh what? the ps2 got superior versions of most of them games, especially VJ1, Monkey Ball and RE4. i wont even bother to talk about MGS:TTS, since the original is much, much better (TTS is still a great game though, but no killer app).

 

[Zeo]

Get the fuck out of here. I've played a few decent multiplayer game on GC, i was looking foward to Mario Kart but Nintendo fucked it up. Couldnt get into SSBM either. I liked monkeyball multiplayer. That was fun

PS2, im always playing Pro Evolution and Smackdown multiplayer

Xbox: Halo (co-op, multiplayer), Halo2 (co-op, multiplayer), DOA3 (multiplayer), Top Spin Tennis (4 player), Links 2004 (4 player), Burnout 2 and 3 (multiplayer), PGR2 (multiplayer) ... thats just off the top of my head

Hey, that's your deal that you couldn't get into SSBM. You're in a very small minority. And Nintendo in no way "fucked up" Mario Kart. Double Dash is awesome.

GC > Xbox for multiplayer. Not by THAT much, but it's better. And they both destroy PS2.

eh what? the ps2 got superior versions of most of them games, especially VJ1, Monkey Ball and RE4. i wont even bother to talk about MGS:TTS, since the original is much, much better (TTS is still a great game though, but no killer app).

Eh, what? Most of those games? Only a few went to PS2 and some of those were still better on GC.

VJ1 was superior in what way exactly? I don't think a secret character makes it better a year later.

Monkey Ball? NO it didn't. Getting a game 3 years later with extra stages and worse controls is in NO way a better version.

RE4? Please, it's getting some extras, but worse graphics (and we'll see how the loading turns out). PS2 is NOT getting a better version. It gets something and loses something. At the most it is "as good" as GC, but in no way better.

 

[Prine]

Obviously if you don't even bother mentionning games like Mario Party, Mario Tennis or F-Zero and if you claim that 2 of the best multiplayers games of this generation suck the GC line-up looks poor. Next time you'll tell us Burnout 2 is a great multiplayers game on xbox and ps2 only but the gc version sucked ?

Ah, they messed up MK, i was so dissapointed. I really, really wanted to like DD, me and my friends were looking foward to it. Played for a couple of hours and decided we wernt going to get out next gen MK fix

BO2 and 3 = best controls, custom soundtrack, better framerate which does mean it was the best version.

Most places we go people either have PS2 or Xbox for multiplayer gaming. I admit i've only played handful of GC best multiplayer games though. Im comparing it to N64 where it was (and still is) the multiplayer king

GC > Xbox for multiplayer. .

Thats what you reckon

 

[TheGamingGuru]

I don't have too much to say on this topic, I am just curious as to what other people think. I think it is. The lineup is not N64 quality, but chances are that by the end of the generation, the GameCube will have three games in the GameRankings top 5 (RE4, Metroid Prime, and assuming Zelda will be as good as we all hope). I own more GameCube games than Nintendo 64 games (23 vs. 20 respectively), while I know I am getting one, two more games for GameCube, but I own almost all the big games for the N64.

Discuss away.

all the gamecube fanboys will say yes, all the gamecube haters will say no ..its a no win situation

 

[shpankey]

No matter whether you think the GC is underrated or overrated there is one thing you must admit: When it comes to multiplayer games GC>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>PS2.

Good lord, I knew nintendo fanboys were delusional but holy fuck! :lol

That would be more like...

Xbox>>>PS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GCN

 

[Red Blaster]

RE4? Please, it's getting some extras, but worse graphics (and we'll see how the loading turns out). PS2 is NOT getting a better version. It gets something and loses something. At the most it is "as good" as GC, but in no way better.

5 more gameplay scenarios for TEH BEST GAME EVAR plus TRUE widescreen makes it better.

 

[Zeo]

Good lord, I knew nintendo fanboys were delusional but holy fuck! :lol

That would be more like...

Xbox>>>PS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>eternity>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GCN

Uh, no. Even if you think Xbox has better multiplayer than GC, that's fine, but what you just said was completely stupid and 100% wrong. PS2 is not even close to being that much better than GC in terms of multiplayer.

5 more gameplay scenarios for TEH BEST GAME EVAR plus TRUE widescreen makes it better.

Nah, it doesn't. Better graphics > true widescreen.

And would you care to tell me what these "5 more gameplay scenariors" are? Because last I heard, it was more Ada stuff, and the Ada stuff in the GC version was not very fun..

 

[drohne]

is the gamecube really considered a good multiplayer console? :/ n64's multiplayer merit rested on two pillars: goldeneye and mario kart battle mode. gc has no equivalent for either. xbox, meanwhile, has halo and halo 2, while ps2 has loads of fighting games...

 

[shpankey]

Uh, no. Even if you think Xbox has better multiplayer than GC, that's fine, but what you just said was completely stupid and 100% wrong.

uhm no. and you're stupid and wrong.

see how that works? :lol

 

[Red Blaster]

Uh, no. Even if you think Xbox has better multiplayer than GC, that's fine, but what you just said was completely stupid and 100% wrong.

Why is it wrong? PS2 has lots of online games as well some cool offline multiplayer games (Dynasty Warriors) that the GC don't have. I could very well include all the PS2 fighters as multiplayer games, right?

 

[shpankey]

the GCN isn't even online (well, basically I mean) so that right there is a huge strike against it's multiplayer'ness. it just doesn't stack up to either PS2 or Xbox. it has a few nintendo made multiplayer (same console) games, most of which are ok at best. compared to a very long list on the other consoles (a lot of which are online to boot).

so saying...

GCN>>>>>>>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PS2

...just make you look foolish

 

[Solid]

GC > Xbox for multiplayer. Not by THAT much, but it's better. And they both destroy PS2.

:lol :lol

*goes off to play Pro Evolution Soccer 4 ONLINE

 

[Red Blaster]

Nah, it doesn't. Better graphics > true widescreen.

And would you care to tell me what these "5 more gameplay scenariors" are? Because last I heard, it was more Ada stuff, and the Ada stuff in the GC version was not very fun..

You can't play graphics, dumb.

 

[Zeo]

uhm no. and you're stupid and wrong.

see how that works? :lol

Wow. You are in no way older than 14 years old.

is the gamecube really considered a good multiplayer console? :/ n64's multiplayer merit rested on two pillars: goldeneye and mario kart battle mode. gc has no equivalent for either. xbox, meanwhile, has halo and halo 2, while ps2 has loads of fighting games...

PS2 has more fighting games, but GC still has three of them (SC2, the two newer Mortal Kombats). PS2 > GC for fighting games, yeah. But that doesn't make GC bad for multiplayer.

GC has no equivalent for either? SSBM is one of the most popular multiplayer games this gen. There is no question about that.

:lol :lol

*goes off to play Pro Evolution Soccer 4 ONLINE

Uh, this has nothing to do with ONLINE play. This was about normal multiplayer. And this was stated twice above.

 

[DECK'ARD]

is the gamecube really considered a good multiplayer console? :/ n64's multiplayer merit rested on two pillars: goldeneye and mario kart battle mode. gc has no equivalent for either. xbox, meanwhile, has halo and halo 2, while ps2 has loads of fighting games...

Super Monkey Ball 1 & 2, Warioware, Smash Bros. ...