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Is the GameCube lineup underrated?
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shpankey
not an idiot
funny, i was thinking the exact same thing about you when i read your post initially.Zeo said:
considering i used your own simplistic and asinine argument mirrored back at you (the "no you're wrong and stupid" argument) to show you how ignorant it was, and you replied to it saying I seem less than 14, you do realize you are only seeing the idiocy of your own argument (and boy did it work :lol ) in my reply? :lol
IAmtheFMan
Member
Not a knock against online or anything, but for a lot of games, I do enjoy having a group of friends sitting around a TV. For my purposes the GC has a better selection of those type of games; not all my friends play video games and handing him/her a controller and a copy of Halo vs. Monkey Ball or Mario party is an easy decision on my part.
shpankey said:the GCN isn't even online (well, basically I mean) so that right there is a huge strike against it's multiplayer'ness.it just doesn't stack up to either PS2 or Xbox. it has a few nintendo made multiplayer (same console) games, most of which are ok at best. compared to a very long list on the other consoles (a lot of which are online to boot).
so saying...
GCN>>>>>>>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PS2
...just make you look foolish
Please read posts before opening your mouth.
I don't see how anyone could possibly think GC was bad for multiplayer with stuff like SSBM, Double Dash, SMB1-2, Wario Ware, Soul Calibur 2, Mario Power Tennis (one of the most fun arcade sports titles this entire gen), Mario Golf, PSO, and the obvious Mario Parties.
Solid said:
Better controls? No. PS2's controls might be just as good as GC, but not better, GC's RE4 controls have almost no flaws and fits the controller PERFECTLY. :lol
Red Blaster
Member
Zeo said:
Bah whatever. PS2 version also is releasing right before Halloween, while the GC one was in freaking January. Therefore PS2 RE4 is the superior version.
shpankey
not an idiot
I don't care what he says... online is a big part of multiplayer.. you don't get to just throw it out just because you want your favorite console to have a better chance of stacking up. Besides, even if you threw it out, it wouldn't change all that much.. the GCN would only be in last by less.
"GC>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>PS2."
...don't be surprised when we not only not agree, but see it almost completely the opposite.
Nobody is saying it's "bad" but when someone comes in and says...Zeo said:
"GC>>>>>>Xbox>>>>>>>PS2."
...don't be surprised when we not only not agree, but see it almost completely the opposite.
shpankey said:
Who said that exactly? Because I know I neve said GC was that much better than Xbox for multiplayer, in fact I said it's NOT that much better.
And no, online has nothing to do with it. The conversation is ABOUT AT HOME MULTIPLAYER, not online multiplayer. They are two different things and two completely different experiences. Xbox destroys all with online multiplayer, we all know that.
shpankey
not an idiot
Then you should probably follow your own advice...Zeo said:
...because this will be at least the third time its been quoted in here...Zeo said:
This is the exact quote I replied to ^^^ (even had it quoted in my reply, exactly as it is here). Which meant I was directly responding to this. You took my reply to this, quoted it and replied to it yourself.Synbios459 said:
Littleberu
Banned
Prine said:
That's not what people who played Donkey Konga and Wario Ware said.
shpankey said:
I only replied to you saying PS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GC for multiplayer, which was just ridiculously wrong, then the rest was just you and I, so anything that happened before hand I didn't really bring into the conversation. Sorry about that (but either way you're wrong).
Littleberu said:
I thought DK2 was a LOT better for multiplayer, myself. DK1 was kind of diappointing for that.
Zeo said:
Please don't mention those horrid games.
I haven't played too many multiplayer games, but I definitely think the GC has a nice variety, PROBABLY (key word) better than the other two. I know the PS2 has a helluva lot more single player games, but haven't really checked into multiplayer.
Synbios459
Banned
What I don't understand is what PS2 multiplayer game has (online or otherwise) that the Xbox doesn't? I mean I'm pretty sure just about everyone will agree that Xbox Live! Is a HECK of a lot better than PS2s service. And as such you can play just about any genre online, so why would anyone choose PS2 over Xbox? What multiplayer games does the PS2 have that the Xbox doesn't.
Ironically, above Halo 2, Mario Kart and PS2 fighting games, the most played multiplayer game I think me and my flatmates partook of this year was emulated Super Mario 3 Battle Mode.
So...intense. But...that was still on the modded Xbox.
Halo 2 kept a lot of interest until certain flatmates decided to start exploiting the maps, thus destroying any fun. Mario Kart DD was just infuriating due to the utterly shit battle maps (oh wow, 4 battle maps and 2 unlockables?! Nintendo....you spoil us!) and the amount of times your own red shell decided "haha, i am going to fuck you up instead, lolz".
So...intense. But...that was still on the modded Xbox.
Halo 2 kept a lot of interest until certain flatmates decided to start exploiting the maps, thus destroying any fun. Mario Kart DD was just infuriating due to the utterly shit battle maps (oh wow, 4 battle maps and 2 unlockables?! Nintendo....you spoil us!) and the amount of times your own red shell decided "haha, i am going to fuck you up instead, lolz".
Synbios459 said:
There are multiplayer games that both have that the other doesn't, but Xbox wins because of its incredible online service. Just for the nail in coffin, though, it also wins because I don't have to buy a multitap.
But they're both, at the end of the day, better than Gamecube. GC has plenty of great multiplayer games though, don't get me wrong.
Oblivion said:
Gamerankings stats. They gather all the reviews for a game together and give it an average score.
Synbios459
Banned
I will agree that MKD wasn't that great. As far as I'm concerned Mario Kart 64>>>Mario Kart SNES>>>>>>>Mario Kart: Double Dash
D wasn't that great. As far as I'm concerned Mario Kart 64>>>Mario Kart SNES>>>>>>>Mario Kart: Double DashAmir0x said:
Ah, okay. I was wondering.
And also agreeing that Mario Kart: DD was disappointing. More than 6 bomb battle levels would have been really welcomed. And the racing just felt bland to me. I wish there were more levels to that as well.
Yeah, it's very underrated. More games than the N64, more good games than the n64 and a big increase in third party support. I guess there was so many who liked the n64 for Goldeneye and wrestling games that they fill the thoughtwaves with dissapointment because the Gamecube wasn't the console for that stuff this gen.
Synbios459
Banned
I just wish Nintendo would be like they once were by putting TONS of extras in their games. Now they hardly put any in
The Mario Party games are awesome multiplayer games, with some people liking certain ones in the series more than others (look at the recent Mario Party thread for proof of that).
If you really think Mario Party sucks, you must not play them on multiplayer. The "critics" mainly knock them for not changing too much (but we won't start the whole sports game vs. Mario Party debate).
And I don't see how you could possibly say "I don't see how Nbots think Mario Party is a killer app series."
Please show me one post where someone said that, because not only have I never seen that, if someone did say that, they're wrong. It's not a killer app series but it IS very popular and sells great because people like them. Simple as that.
If you really think Mario Party sucks, you must not play them on multiplayer. The "critics" mainly knock them for not changing too much (but we won't start the whole sports game vs. Mario Party debate).
And I don't see how you could possibly say "I don't see how Nbots think Mario Party is a killer app series."
Please show me one post where someone said that, because not only have I never seen that, if someone did say that, they're wrong. It's not a killer app series but it IS very popular and sells great because people like them. Simple as that.
IAmtheFMan
Member
Solid said:
Dude, nobody is arguing that the Mario Party games are killer apps. Nobody in their right mind mentions RE4, MGS3 and Mario Party 6 in the same breath. Furthermore, the Mario Party games aren't gonna be getting 90%+ ratings from publications since they're pretty limited... you can only play with 4 people without the computer jumping in, and the single-play mode is about the stupidest and most depressing thing you can do. But then again, no one plays Monopoly by themselves either.
... Which is what Mario Party is. It's an electronic version of a board game, that's actually *gasp* fun when you get some people to play it, especially since it's very accesible to those that don't really play video games.
Are there some people that will soak up anything Nintendo throws that's Mario? Sure. I've met quite a few people like that and they start to really grate on your nerves. But on the same token, there are a lot of people that need to killswitch the little toggle that tells them to dismiss a game because Mario's in it.
etiolate said:
Yes, and that makes the two COMPLETELY different experiences.
Playing with some random strangers across the country while you're sitting in your room alone is a VERY different experience than having a bunch of friends in the room playing on the same screen. It just is. And they're BOTH awesome, but just different.
Oblivion said:
What? Sequels? That's not the only thing that matters. How about the games that aren't sequels to N64 games like Eternal Darkness, Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime, Viewtiful Joe, PSO, Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat, Tales of Symphonia, Baten Kaitos, Pikmin, Mega Man Network Transmission? I guess those aren't worthy of being called good games? And whether or not you like them they are generally liked and regarded as good games.
As far as sequels to N64 games go, like I already said, it's a mixed bag.
Sunshine is a terrific game, but Mario 64 is better. Wind Waker is disppointing compared to what people expect, but still a great game on its own (and some people think it's fucking great). Mario Power Tennis is ABSOLUTELY better than the original game, and it's one of the most fun arcade sports games this gen. Mario Golf, also awesome.
1080 and Wave Race are generally looked at as being better on N64. (Although personally, I like 1080 better on GC.)
Double Dash has to get the most mixed reaction ever. There are people that love it and people that hate it (which I think, even if it disappointed you, is a BIT harsh). The battle mode sucked, yes. But single player was more rewarding, I thought, and multiplayer (other than battle mode) was just as good as it was on MK64 (especially switching positions with another friend in one kart, that can lead to some hilarious moments and good teamwork).
But yeah, it's not just the sequels that make GC good, because they're generally disappointing overall (but not bad). It's the newer original games that are the best ones on the console, in my opinion (and I think many others).
Red Scarlet
Member
I dunno, I got about what I was expecting out of my Gamecube purchase. Not a ton, but what I got out of it were some really fun games. Isn't that usually the point? It wasn't the be-all-end-all to gaming, but that's not what I was expecting when I bought one.
Now that we've drawn out all of the delusional Nintendo apologist someone should take precedent and ban them. Even though Gamecube houses some of the highest rated games of the generation the quantity of those games are unbelievably inferior to the N64. Even the quality of Mario and Zelda for the first time in history has stumbled and Nintendo only have themselves to blame.
They were so concerned about the increasing costs of game development that they got lazy and sacrificed their usual high standards for a cheaper to produce product. Then they turned their back on the western developers who held the N64 up in the all important western market. Metroid Prime and RE4 may be 2 of the best games to come out this generation but neither of them make up for how far Nintendo has stumbled in quality console games. Yeah there are a decent amount of good games to be played if your not a huge fan of Racing, FPS, Sports ect. but having 1 or 2 really good games in a select few genres isn't how you support a game platform. The only thing I will give them credit for is improving their quality RPG's portfolio but its still nowhere near PS2's.
Nintendo's gonna have to open up that bank next gen if they don't want to be left in the dust, either that or reinvent the wheel.
They were so concerned about the increasing costs of game development that they got lazy and sacrificed their usual high standards for a cheaper to produce product. Then they turned their back on the western developers who held the N64 up in the all important western market. Metroid Prime and RE4 may be 2 of the best games to come out this generation but neither of them make up for how far Nintendo has stumbled in quality console games. Yeah there are a decent amount of good games to be played if your not a huge fan of Racing, FPS, Sports ect. but having 1 or 2 really good games in a select few genres isn't how you support a game platform. The only thing I will give them credit for is improving their quality RPG's portfolio but its still nowhere near PS2's.
Nintendo's gonna have to open up that bank next gen if they don't want to be left in the dust, either that or reinvent the wheel.
Shaheed79 said:
Honestly, you can argue about how the sequels to some of the N64 games (Sunshine, Zelda, 1080, Wave Race) are inferior to the originals, and you have a point. Most people don't think they're as good. But as a few people listed they put out plenty of other awesome games for GC that were not sequels to N64 games.
I can't be the only one here who has more GC games than N64 games. While N64 prequels might have been BETTER than their great/good but not as good sequels, I still think the GC has MORE good games than N64 overall. Don't misunderstand me, GC could have been way better, but I love the damn thing as far as quality games go. There were a lot of them.
I think that's the only thing that matters really. It has a lot of damn good games, although you could easily argue not as many as PS2.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
I have a gamecube and an xbox. My consoles dont generally see much action at all, but I've had some fun with my Gamecube. I enjoyed Mario, Resident EVil, Pikmin, Zelda, Metroid, some of those RPGs, Wave Race, etc. The system has a solid game lineup IMO, particularly if you are like me and arent interested in playing a new game every month. I'm going to stick with PC games for next gen, but if the price is right on the revolution I'll probably pick that up as my lone console.
There are two big reasons why the GC is perceived as being worse than the N64
#1: Lack of a first party killer app. The N64 had Mario 64 to start the console. The GC had Luigi's Mansion. The N64 also had OoT. Zelda and Mario are the two biggest names Nintendo has to push as killer apps. They provided the quality last gen. This generation, about 1.5 years into the GC's lifecycle, we got our Mario and Zelda games. Mario Sunshine and Zelda: Wind Waker are not bad games, but they contain critical flaws which made them not quite as good as their predecessors.
A lot of people were put off by the blue coin hunting in Mario Sunshine, as well as the weakness of the final level and battle against bowser, which paled in comparison to the final showdown on the N64 in all aspects. Sunshine also lacked the variety in level themes that Mario 64 had.
Wind Waker was way too easy and felt incomplete. You KNEW that there should have been a dungeon instead of Jabun handing you the item you needed to obtain. You KNEW that the fire and ice mountains were supposed to be much, much more than a simple 5 minute treasure hunt. Not to mention the triforce quest and the ease of the games battles (especially the final battle).
While Metroid Prime 1 had the killer app quality in a game Nintendo needed, it just doesn't have the sales power or the image that Mario and Zelda has.
The main reason why the GC feels so weak in comparison to the N64, however, is the constant dropping of support the GC has received this generation. The Nintendo 64 never had much japanese support, but it had a LOT of western support which continued supporting it throughout its whole lifecycle. The GC, on the other hand, started with some support from both the East and West, but ever since 2003, developers have dropped support severely.
The GC started out with games like Rogue Squadron 2, Super Monkey Ball, Sonic Adventure 2 and Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee tearing up the sales charts. The GC also held its own in sales of multiplatform titles such as Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time and Timesplitters 2.
But around the begining of 2003, support started to dwindle. Developers began removing entire gameplay modes from the cube releases of their games, as well as releasing these versions at far later dates than their Xbox and Ps2 counterparts. Epic online modes were removed and replaced with the ability to get a health boost or input commands through a GBA-GC connection. While this can be blamed partially for Nintendo's lack of a solid online plan, the GC's online plan is no different than the plan which Sony put out for 3rd parties to use on the Playstation 2.
So now the GC was getting inferior versions of multiplatform games. These games subsequently sold MUCH less on the GC than on the Ps2 and Xbox, and developers began pulling support altogether, such as Sega's 2k sports series (which, admittedly, always sold relatively poorly on the GC).
In 2004 and 2005, support has continued to dwindle, but in addition to this, many of the GC's long-valued third party exclusives have made their way onto Sony and Microsoft's formats. Among these titles are: Sonic Mega Collection, Resident Evil 4, Tales of Symphonia, Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2, and Viewtiful Joe.
Not to mention that the loss of 2nd parties Rare, Silicon Knights, and Left Field has further crippled Nintendo's image (even if Microsoft has had little success with Rare).
The continuous decline in publisher support for the GC and the repeated loss of valued 3rd party exclusives has resulted in a decrease in perceived value of the GC's lineup in the minds of both gamers and developers alike, and that is the main reason why the GC is a perceived failure. It seems much worse to have a lot of support then lose most of it (GC) than it is to have a little support and retain it (N64).
#1: Lack of a first party killer app. The N64 had Mario 64 to start the console. The GC had Luigi's Mansion. The N64 also had OoT. Zelda and Mario are the two biggest names Nintendo has to push as killer apps. They provided the quality last gen. This generation, about 1.5 years into the GC's lifecycle, we got our Mario and Zelda games. Mario Sunshine and Zelda: Wind Waker are not bad games, but they contain critical flaws which made them not quite as good as their predecessors.
A lot of people were put off by the blue coin hunting in Mario Sunshine, as well as the weakness of the final level and battle against bowser, which paled in comparison to the final showdown on the N64 in all aspects. Sunshine also lacked the variety in level themes that Mario 64 had.
Wind Waker was way too easy and felt incomplete. You KNEW that there should have been a dungeon instead of Jabun handing you the item you needed to obtain. You KNEW that the fire and ice mountains were supposed to be much, much more than a simple 5 minute treasure hunt. Not to mention the triforce quest and the ease of the games battles (especially the final battle).
While Metroid Prime 1 had the killer app quality in a game Nintendo needed, it just doesn't have the sales power or the image that Mario and Zelda has.
The main reason why the GC feels so weak in comparison to the N64, however, is the constant dropping of support the GC has received this generation. The Nintendo 64 never had much japanese support, but it had a LOT of western support which continued supporting it throughout its whole lifecycle. The GC, on the other hand, started with some support from both the East and West, but ever since 2003, developers have dropped support severely.
The GC started out with games like Rogue Squadron 2, Super Monkey Ball, Sonic Adventure 2 and Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee tearing up the sales charts. The GC also held its own in sales of multiplatform titles such as Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time and Timesplitters 2.
But around the begining of 2003, support started to dwindle. Developers began removing entire gameplay modes from the cube releases of their games, as well as releasing these versions at far later dates than their Xbox and Ps2 counterparts. Epic online modes were removed and replaced with the ability to get a health boost or input commands through a GBA-GC connection. While this can be blamed partially for Nintendo's lack of a solid online plan, the GC's online plan is no different than the plan which Sony put out for 3rd parties to use on the Playstation 2.
So now the GC was getting inferior versions of multiplatform games. These games subsequently sold MUCH less on the GC than on the Ps2 and Xbox, and developers began pulling support altogether, such as Sega's 2k sports series (which, admittedly, always sold relatively poorly on the GC).
In 2004 and 2005, support has continued to dwindle, but in addition to this, many of the GC's long-valued third party exclusives have made their way onto Sony and Microsoft's formats. Among these titles are: Sonic Mega Collection, Resident Evil 4, Tales of Symphonia, Super Monkey Ball, Super Monkey Ball 2, and Viewtiful Joe.
Not to mention that the loss of 2nd parties Rare, Silicon Knights, and Left Field has further crippled Nintendo's image (even if Microsoft has had little success with Rare).
The continuous decline in publisher support for the GC and the repeated loss of valued 3rd party exclusives has resulted in a decrease in perceived value of the GC's lineup in the minds of both gamers and developers alike, and that is the main reason why the GC is a perceived failure. It seems much worse to have a lot of support then lose most of it (GC) than it is to have a little support and retain it (N64).