Is this berserk musou dlc real? (PTSD casca)

RK9039 said:
Some of the manga cover art, 12/13.

I don't like the marketing either but the game cover seems to fit in with those volume covers.



Same here, I've been waiting for a Berserk game for ages. I even bought the One Piece musou game from Steam the other day and I already have that on console.
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The game cover totally fits

People just have issues with what is shown with interactive media I guess rather than paper. That is bullshit I think.
 
Basketball said:
The game cover totally fits

People just have issues with what is shown with interactive media I guess rather than paper. That is bullshit I think.
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Personally I'm mixed on those cover pieces. I can love something and still criticize it. I also thought the trolls started to veer Into hentai territory at times.
 
Fucking hate Griffin/Femto for what he did to Casca. He could have just became a God and moved on but had to pull that shit. Can't wait til Guts cuts him in half, gonna be a glorious day.
 
JCG said:
Tell that to all the critics who have studied how sexualization works in media.
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Tell them what? That sexualization in and of itself is not some horrendous crime worthy of contempt but something that has to be criticized in context of the work it belongs to?

I'm fairly sure they are aware of it. Bunch of people here seem to not be.
 
Was OP too good for the pre-existing topics where this has already been discussed, or was this just too tempting as a stand-alone topic to press GAF's outrage buttons?
 
SilentRob said:
These comparison shots are especially silly because it's the ONE shot from the Manga from that scene that is supposed to be plain sexy - because it's supposed to be a misdirection both for Guts and the audience. Gus misinterpreting her appearance directly leads to her being even more disturbed.
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It's also one image from completely optional content in the game, but that was enough to freak out. The rest of your argument doesn't really make sense either. I fail to see how it's a misdirection for Guts. Misdirecting how? Do you think the "attractiveness" of the outfit was supposed to lure him in? Because that's a weird assumption to make. As soon as he remembers all his comrades died he panics and asks where Casca is and when he goes over there he's obviously glad she's alive. Unless you meant to say he moves over to her to initiate sex because she's totes hot breh (which would be extremely weird) instead of simply wanting to get a response from her after she ignored his calls, I fail to see how the "attractiveness" of the outfit is part of a misdirection for Guts.
 
.....this is the image that opens the chapter the DLC costume is from

EDIT: wait nope....didn't realize it had nudity. Look up "Berserk: Awakening To A Nightmare"

Criticizing them for advertising with rape as a "sexy" thing is one thing (and totally valid) but acting like it betrays the spirit of the manga......come on

Pages and pages of gratuitous shots in that Eclipse scene that removed from context would just look like weird bird person hentai
 
Arkeband said:
Was OP too good for the pre-existing topics where this has already been discussed, or was this just too tempting as a stand-alone topic to press GAF's outrage buttons?
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Is there an issue with this topic being spun off on its own? Considering the divide between how this imagery is being advertised for the game versus how it works in context of the manga and its animated adaptations, it appears to be fairly unprecedented and worth its own discussion.
 
Brian_FETO said:
Pages and pages of gratuitous shots in that Eclipse scene that removed from context would just look like weird bird person hentai
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KT's had lots of weird costumes before, i mean we've had seven up costumes and other media stuff, yes its tacky but it does belong in spirit for the series.
 
EvilKatarn said:
Tell them what? That sexualization in and of itself is not some horrendous crime worthy of contempt but something that has to be criticized in context of the work it belongs to?
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That's certainly one way to put it. Context supports the overall quality of Berserk as a story. One where rape isn't always an afterthought. However, such context does not negate that certain scenes can be either problematic or at least serve more than one purpose, especially when it comes to dealing with the manga's depiction of female characters in various situations containing sexual violence. Some of them are, in fact, very gratuitous. For that matter, it's entirely possible to both appreciate and criticize the sequence in question.
 
RoboPlato said:
It really bothers me how much they're putting the rape scene at the front and center of the marketing for this game. I like Berserk a lot but I'm very uncomfortable with using that scene as an advertisement to get people excited for this game. A Musou based game should be emphasizing the combat and action, not this. In the context of the series that scene is upsetting and disturbing, Tecmo-Koei is using it for titillation. It just feels wrong and does a disservice to the source material.
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Agree completely. That scene is supposed to make you feel upset and angry, not "OH LOOK TITS AND TENTACLES!"
 
UrbanRats said:
The Manga absolutely does that.
Granted you get more context, bit lingering shots on Caska's body are there.
They were even posted in the last thread.
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I'll give you for the manga, but they still have the context of Guts' reaction. That CGI teaser has no other context.
 
Messofanego said:
I'll give you for the manga, but they still have the context of Guts' reaction. That CGI teaser has no other context.
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Yeah as i said, it was a bad idea, given the different context, no argument there.
I just refute the idea that the source material had absolutely any intention to "titillate" (even if you consider some of it as contextualized, given Caska's feelings for Griffith, it's still there).
 
Kuroyume said:
Of course they're going to recreate it. That scene (along with the deaths that accompany the betrayal) is what drives the story. The impetus for why the main character is on this journey. It would be like creating a new Batman propety without any mention of his parents being murdered in front of him. Or Spiderman without his uncle dying.

The outrage over this to me seems so frivolous... Like, you have an issue with Casca being in a wet oversized shirt following her rape? From a manga where a female character was nearly raped by a horse... A scene which follows that character grinding her vagina on the main character's sword? Or the satanic orgys with horned demons? Or Guts being molested himself? Or children being slaughtered all the time? The freaking manga opens up with the main character having sex with a demon that uses her sexuality to lure men to their deaths. I know there's the argument about context, but if you're a fan you already have it, and if you're new to the series the costume/DLC/whaetever wouldn't make you think twice.

This series is ripe with dark material, and it's always in your face about it. Fans praise the series for being so uninhibited about all types of violence. To try and act like that's not the case is being disingenuous. To sit here and deride Koei Tecmo for their promotional material seems ironic given the way the source material handles these things. I mean, this is an actual licensed statue that's been released: https://abload.de/img/gutscascaberserkcensokju93.jpg Which... Umm, was the cover of volume 13? I don't believe that's even an actual pose from the manga itself. Just a pose that was simply done for the cover. A very sexualized pose of Casca draped across Guts' body to sell the manga. I don't know how people can sit here and try to argue that there is a certain nauance to the manga's approach that is missing from what we've seen in the videogame stuff we've seen so far. To me, it's BERSERK. And that's all I see.
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Best post here. Thank you for saying what I couldn't at 3AM last night. Was catching up on Berserk reading.
 
Cassius said:
Agree completely. That scene is supposed to make you feel upset and angry, not "OH LOOK TITS AND TENTACLES!"
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Exactly, and a musou game is meant to make you feel like a badass who destroys an entire army in a swing.

Multiple Berserk characters are capable of that the trailers should be about them!
 
Kuroyume said:
Of course they're going to recreate it. That scene (along with the deaths that accompany the betrayal) is what drives the story. The impetus for why the main character is on this journey. It would be like creating a new Batman propety without any mention of his parents being murdered in front of him. Or Spiderman without his uncle dying.

The outrage over this to me seems so frivolous... Like, you have an issue with Casca being in a wet oversized shirt following her rape? From a manga where a female character was nearly raped by a horse... A scene which follows that character grinding her vagina on the main character's sword? Or the satanic orgys with horned demons? Or Guts being molested himself? Or children being slaughtered all the time? The freaking manga opens up with the main character having sex with a demon that uses her sexuality to lure men to their deaths. I know there's the argument about context, but if you're a fan you already have it, and if you're new to the series the costume/DLC/whaetever wouldn't make you think twice.

This series is ripe with dark material, and it's always in your face about it. Fans praise the series for being so uninhibited about all types of violence. To try and act like that's not the case is being disingenuous. To sit here and deride Koei Tecmo for their promotional material seems ironic given the way the source material handles these things. I mean, this is an actual licensed statue that's been released: https://abload.de/img/gutscascaberserkcensokju93.jpg Which... Umm, was the cover of volume 13? I don't believe that's even an actual pose from the manga itself. Just a pose that was simply done for the cover. A very sexualized pose of Casca draped across Guts' body to sell the manga. I don't know how people can sit here and try to argue that there is a certain nauance to the manga's approach that is missing from what we've seen in the videogame stuff we've seen so far. To me, it's BERSERK. And that's all I see.
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Nice wrap up, Koei isn't doing anything that the series hasn't done already
 
MillionStabs said:
Miura will probably be dead before that happens
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lets hope not, the guy had just started consistent monthly serialization of the manga, but then took a break for the new anime thats gonna start in july, the most recent chapter also just came out, so lets hope he can now keep to a consistent release from now on, and the guy is just 49 years old
 
SilentRob said:
Nope. Skipping the rape part is definetely better than using rape as a selling point because they consider it sexy. That's what they did twice now.
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Messofanego said:
The CGI teaser doesn't make sense. The Berserk CGI teaser is using the rape for titillation with extreme and travelling close ups of Casca's body. The manga and anime don't really do that. The rape is not central to the videogame (unless if it's an adventure game about the ramifications of rape) to be used for advertising. Berserk manga or anime didn't advertise the rape from the outset like this.
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Again, as said several times (by me and others), this scene is not for titillation. If you see it like this, you have either not read the manga or really like tentacle porn...

Nottle said:
Exactly, and a musou game is meant to make you feel like a badass who destroys an entire army in a swing.

Multiple Berserk characters are capable of that the trailers should be about them!
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And that's what they will do. The Casca scene was a CGI teaser. The first trailer was the teaser followed by Guts destroying monsters as he does usually.
The screenshots are about other heroes killing soldiers and monsters. The CGI scene was just a teaser to confirm it was Berserk, they won't reuse it every time.

Kuroyume said:
Of course they're going to recreate it. That scene (along with the deaths that accompany the betrayal) is what drives the story. The impetus for why the main character is on this journey. It would be like creating a new Batman propety without any mention of his parents being murdered in front of him. Or Spiderman without his uncle dying.

The outrage over this to me seems so frivolous... Like, you have an issue with Casca being in a wet oversized shirt following her rape? From a manga where a female character was nearly raped by a horse... A scene which follows that character grinding her vagina on the main character's sword? Or the satanic orgys with horned demons? Or Guts being molested himself? Or children being slaughtered all the time? The freaking manga opens up with the main character having sex with a demon that uses her sexuality to lure men to their deaths. I know there's the argument about context, but if you're a fan you already have it, and if you're new to the series the costume/DLC/whaetever wouldn't make you think twice.

This series is ripe with dark material, and it's always in your face about it. Fans praise the series for being so uninhibited about all types of violence. To try and act like that's not the case is being disingenuous. To sit here and deride Koei Tecmo for their promotional material seems ironic given the way the source material handles these things. I mean, this is an actual licensed statue that's been released: https://abload.de/img/gutscascaberserkcensokju93.jpg Which... Umm, was the cover of volume 13? I don't believe that's even an actual pose from the manga itself. Just a pose that was simply done for the cover. A very sexualized pose of Casca draped across Guts' body to sell the manga. I don't know how people can sit here and try to argue that there is a certain nauance to the manga's approach that is missing from what we've seen in the videogame stuff we've seen so far. To me, it's BERSERK. And that's all I see.
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Great post.
Saying Berserk is just about violence is both ignorant and a disservice to the source material.
 
Meh. Even though it's Berserk I still think it's pretty distasteful. Doesn't help that many have been following the story for over a decade and Casca is still as helpless as ever. It's a bit unnerving that she's just used as a mascot for illustrating the gruesome nature of the manga. I really hope we can see her strong personality back before the manga goes on hiatus again later this year
 
Village said:
Old bezerk is when you go back and read Frank miller comics and go "hmmmmmmmmmm"
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I still think classic Frank Miller holds up quite well. Ronin, DKR, Sin City, and his Daredevil run are timeless.

Now current Frank Miller...is actually an alien parasite pretending to be him and trying his best to write like FM without actually understanding his style in an attempt to disguise his alien origins. What, does that sound preposterous to you? It makes more sense than saying that the same guy who wrote Ronin and those other titles I mentioned above also wrote Holy Terror, the Spirit movie, the additional stories in the second Sin City movie, and DKR 2/3.
 
Village said:
Eh, its aiight

You read the cool action parts and its cool.
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Seems you need to reread the whole thing if you think it's only about cool action scenes. Don't be disingenuous. You don't like it and that's fine but don't sell it short to make your weak point sound stronger than it is.
 
Galang said:
Meh. Even though it's Berserk I still think it's pretty distasteful. Doesn't help that many have been following the story for over a decade and Casca is still as helpless as ever. It's a bit unnerving that she's just used as a mascot for illustrating the gruesome nature of the manga. I really hope we can see her strong personality back before the manga goes on hiatus again later this year
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To be fair, they spent almost the entirety of that decade on the damn boat...
 
Galang said:
Meh. Even though it's Berserk I still think it's pretty distasteful. Doesn't help that many have been following the story for over a decade and Casca is still as helpless as ever. It's a bit unnerving that she's just used as a mascot for illustrating the gruesome nature of the manga. I really hope we can see her strong personality back before the manga goes on hiatus again later this year
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If we get only three other chapters for the rest of the year, I doubt it.
I'm sure it'll happen pretty soon after
they get to the elf king though (well, unless they have to wait a bit that she is healed and they take another boat to go back on the continent... so another five years).
 
Rayge said:
They don't tone it down for the western audience. That's why Barnes and Nobles doesn't sell the manga in their stores anymore. They moved it to basically the pornographic side of the store, then took it out completely. I remember this so vividly even though it was a damn long time ago because I was pretty upset about it.. Amazon sells them cheaper anyway.
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I want to just dispel this myth because B&N sells Berserk in store, I just checked availability of a few stores near me, some had it and some didn't.

Stop making shit up please.

Piers said:
I feel it's kind of sick that Beserk features rape in the first place
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You want to take an actual act that has occurred since the dawn of our species out of media entirely, that's interesting. Only show good things, like gore and dismemberment?
 
Criticizing Criticizindvertising with rape as a "sexy" thing is one thing (and totally valid) but acting like it betrays the spirit of the manga......come on

Pages and pages of gratuitous shots in that Eclipse scene that removed from context would just look like weird bird person hentai
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Yep. I haven't read that part of the manga in years but I remember being really put off how it seemed to be going the erotic route in that sequence. Either way I don't care for the marketing we're seeing today.
 
Rayge said:
They don't tone it down for the western audience. That's why Barnes and Nobles doesn't sell the manga in their stores anymore. They moved it to basically the pornographic side of the store, then took it out completely. I remember this so vividly even though it was a damn long time ago because I was pretty upset about it.. Amazon sells them cheaper anyway.
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I picked a bunch of volumes up in bulk about a year ago from BN. They're plastic wrapped, but they're sold in the manga section.
 
HStallion said:
Seems you need to reread the whole thing if you think it's only about cool action scenes. Don't be disingenuous. You don't like it and that's fine but don't sell it short to make your weak point sound stronger than it is.
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I really like bezerk actually

I like a lot of media I indulge in dont like all of it. Some of their attempts at truma and darkness come off better than others.

Guts cutting people in half is always cool

Learn to accept criticism of that thing you like.

Im not in the interest of babying folk.
 
Breads said:
What a curious assessment of what goes on in Berserk.

It's almost like you didn't read it at all.

You probably should before trying to tell Berserk fans why the years of setup and two real time decades worth of payoff is a cheap shot.

Noone would argue it's a masterful work of literature but the way you're invalidating how people feel only shows how much you don't know about the story.

An entire cast of likeable characters died in this incident. The reputation of a once beloved main character is destroyed as he sacrifices everyone else to dead gods seeking reincarnation. The agency of another main character is robbed in a fate arguably worse than death as continue to shamble onward as a shadow of their former selves. While yet another main character is finally given purpose in life though it came at the cost of constantly being on the brink of madness... another fate that is arguably worse than death.

No amount of TV trope links will convince people who have actually read this story that rape is being used as a cheap way to show how dark the story is. The cycles of violence, depravity, ignorance, and shows of otherworldly horror does that. Is it tasteless? Sure it is. It is a comic about swords and demons afterall. But nevertheless the dark in Berserk's dark fantasy is unquestionably earned.
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Get himmmm.
 
JayEH said:
why?
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Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.
 
Reila said:
This company (Tecmo Koei) is fucking garbage. So is Berserk.
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Tryhard

Breads said:
What a curious assessment of what goes on in Berserk.

It's almost like you didn't read it at all.

You probably should before trying to tell Berserk fans why the years of setup and two real time decades worth of payoff is a cheap shot.

Noone would argue it's a masterful work of literature but the way you're invalidating how people feel only shows how much you don't know about the story.

An entire cast of likeable characters died in this incident. The reputation of a once beloved main character is destroyed as he sacrifices everyone else to dead gods seeking reincarnation. The agency of another main character is robbed in a fate arguably worse than death as continue to shamble onward as a shadow of their former selves. While yet another main character is finally given purpose in life though it came at the cost of constantly being on the brink of madness... another fate that is arguably worse than death.

No amount of TV trope links will convince people who have actually read this story that rape is being used as a cheap way to show how dark the story is. The cycles of violence, depravity, ignorance, and shows of otherworldly horror does that. Is it tasteless? Sure it is. It is a comic about swords and demons afterall. But nevertheless the dark in Berserk's dark fantasy is unquestionably earned.
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So it's content based on content that was sold.

That's "omg that's the obscure variant appearance from whatever panel in whatever issue/scene in whatever" ie: pretty much the basis of all superfluous fan service in action figures, dream games etc for anything that's ever been in a serialized comic or manga format. It's not "omg the rape, so hawt *beats dick while mashing buttons*" or "omg mentally ill abused woman *disregards human rights of nearest battered woman*"
 
Arkeband said:
I want to just dispel this myth because B&N sells Berserk in store, I just checked availability of a few stores near me, some had it and some didn't.

Stop making shit up please.
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They didn't for a long time. I remember Borders did carry it when they were open but they often had them plastic wrapped and I always felt like a dick unwrapping stuff like that.
 
Galang said:
Meh. Even though it's Berserk I still think it's pretty distasteful. Doesn't help that many have been following the story for over a decade and Casca is still as helpless as ever. It's a bit unnerving that she's just used as a mascot for illustrating the gruesome nature of the manga. I really hope we can see her strong personality back before the manga goes on hiatus again later this year
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Eolz said:
If we get only three other chapters for the rest of the year, I doubt it.
I'm sure it'll happen pretty soon after
they get to the elf king though (well, unless they have to wait a bit that she is healed and they take another boat to go back on the continent... so another five years).
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Skull Knight has said that what Guts wants for Caska may not be what she wants.

I wouldn't be surprised if we never get past Caska back.

If people want a strong female character, they're going to have look elsewhere in his group.
 
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