TheBlueBomber
Member
Yikesss, I was excited for this game but it doesn't sit well that they're using what they are for the marketing
Is this berserk musou dlc real? (PTSD casca)
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Are we getting into a Trump kinda situation here? ;P
What difference does it make if I say cartoon rape instead of what I said? It's still a drawing. No one was hurt, and heck it was created to sell copies.
Real life situations and art in whatever form that might be are two very different things.
chaobreaker
Member
That's the worst thing about this, isn't it? Not even a rape scene is off-limits for KT.
Of course, I'm not saying fiction = reality, my point was merely that by calling it "a bad thing that happened once," you're taking away the context of why people would find this unsettling.
Also, not 100% sure what you meant by the Trump comment haha.
Edit: btw I'm assuming your avatar is EDF art and I just want to say it looks really cool.
What a curious assessment of what goes on in Berserk.
It's almost like you didn't read it at all.
You probably should before trying to tell Berserk fans why the years of setup and two real time decades worth of payoff is a cheap shot.
Noone would argue it's a masterful work of literature but the way you're invalidating how people feel only shows how much you don't know about the story.
An entire cast of likeable characters died in this incident. The reputation of a once beloved main character is destroyed as he sacrifices everyone else to dead gods seeking reincarnation. The agency of another main character is robbed in a fate arguably worse than death as continue to shamble onward as a shadow of their former selves. While yet another main character is finally given purpose in life though it came at the cost of constantly being on the brink of madness... another fate that is arguably worse than death.
No amount of TV trope links will convince people who have actually read this story that rape is being used as a cheap way to show how dark the story is. The cycles of violence, depravity, ignorance, and shows of otherworldly horror does that. Is it tasteless? Sure it is. It is a comic about swords and demons afterall. But nevertheless the dark in Berserk's dark fantasy is unquestionably earned.
lightskintwin
Banned
I think they merely look at the property as "just" a manga or cartoon.
This is pretty much how I see it, honestly speaking sexy isn't what I'm from the teaser nor promo poster at all. I would agree that the DLC is completely tasteless though.
Awesome post.
chaobreaker
Member
Yeah. shows how much they care for the source material. Berserk isn't some nobody comic either. It's been around for nearly 30 years and is known worldwide. Arguably one of the most monumental and influential dark fantasy works of its time and this is how KT chooses to market its highly anticipated third game adaptation.
Fuck them.
Yeah, I get that. Guess I'm just looking at it from a different point of view.
Well Trump had this thing with Obama where he kept poking him about not using a certain term. In this case it was "radical Islam". Not sure if you saw Obama's response to that after all that time, but it was quite funny.
That's indeed EDF. It's the artwork for the first print Japanese edition of EDF Portable V2 for Vita.
Edit: here's the original
g.r.e.
Member
I was referring to the game. I hope they won't censor it in name of fictional rape.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Well, I hope it's released here. Then again, I'm going with the PC version so you could probably put it in anyway, if they don't want my money (or hand it out as a preorder bonus, I guess.)
SixMachine
Member
Disturbing enough it's also the scene where
she miscarries their child which is deformed by the demonic magic from during the rape. Though it's very much alive, and not very human. I found it pretty sad though, no matter how ugly that thing was, it basically just wanted to be with its parents.
Yeah, I get that. Guess I'm just looking at it from a different point of view.
Well Trump had this thing with Obama where he kept poking him about not using a certain term. In this case it was "radical Islam". Not sure if you saw Obama's response to that after all that time, but it was quite funny.
That's indeed EDF. It's the artwork for the first print Japanese edition of EDF Portable V2 for Vita.
Edit: here's the original
Ye I understand. And oh yeah, I remember the Trump thing now lol.
Also, man that is really nice artwork. Just realized the NA version has it as a reversible cover. Thanks for sending the original, that's going to make a great phone wallpaper!
Frank Jaeger
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Majukun
Member
why?
i mean i get it,rape is horrible..but so are murder and mutilations,but those are ok in a story?
DejectedAngel
Neo Member
I've defended Tecmo before when it comes to DoA and NG based off of what they did well (gameplay), but I expected them to drop their oversexualization when it's Berserk of all things, or at least not market it in the same way as their other things. It was already tasteless before, but this is far and away the worst it's ever been and the game isn't even out.
As an aside, I recently saw the Golden age arc for sale on DVD at freaking Wal-mart.
As an aside, I recently saw the Golden age arc for sale on DVD at freaking Wal-mart.
Eolz
Member
I understand why people might not like it, but it's also understandable (even if not in the best taste) to use it for the CGI teaser. While NSFW, only people knowing Berserk really know what happens there.
For the costume, I don't think I've seen KT advertise it at all yet, and how they do will be what is important.
I don't think people should take a costume implication too seriously to be honest, since the character itself won't change, and other female characters might also have a variation of this bathing outfit...
Well, do you really think the rape part was not going to be shown at all in an adaptation, when it has a major role on the whole story?
It's not just about Casca, but about
For the costume, I don't think I've seen KT advertise it at all yet, and how they do will be what is important.
I don't think people should take a costume implication too seriously to be honest, since the character itself won't change, and other female characters might also have a variation of this bathing outfit...
Well, do you really think the rape part was not going to be shown at all in an adaptation, when it has a major role on the whole story?
It's not just about Casca, but about
Guts' inability to stop it, pushing his need for revenge even further while also making him more considerate to take care of her, and suffer about how she's not recognizing anything anymore.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, because the Musou franchise is KT's bread and butter, especially one with a big license.
nelsonroyale
Member
Very poor taste. I am getting tired of the way the series has treated Casca, because I found her a compelling character, but this is crudely exploitative. Casca was known for being a strong warrior, if overshadowed by Guts and Griffith...This is taken from one of her moments of weakness. Nice choice....
They're referring to Berserk, not Musou.
SerTapTap
Member
Please don't imply "rape victim DLC! LOL" is equally bad as skimpy outfits
ITT: people who love the idea of a game based on the manga but would rather have it not tackle the core point in the main char motivations. Without Caskas destiny, Gatsu becomes Just another monodimensional bloodcraving loon. The "context" people are asking for is basically her being in the effing game. Why are you even interested in the game in the first place if you dont "like" the story? Generic fantasy splatter?
Also if you ask me, the idea of Caska fighting back for vengeance is cool. Might as Well act as if she snapped out of it. Its not like in that DLC costyme shes gonna be crawling around. Shes kicking ass.
I mean the Berserk franchise, not the Musou games. This dlc gives me the impression they want to draw in an extra niche crowd in case Berserk by itself isn't enough of a draw.
That doesn't make sense either, why license it, if they don't believe in it.
This is somewhat the discussion i was having in the other thread (which i forgot to follow up on, lol).
I will say, and this is a long and winding discussion i'm not sure i have the time to delve into now, i don't agree with the use of "shock value for shock value's sake" as an instant negative, simply because i think there's a richer "life" beyond even the simplest of shock values, that is well worth exploring.
Needless to say, Berserk certainly isn't for every one, and the way it lingers on every other sexual and violent detail, morbidly, is enough to spark a hundred conversations about what is or isn't "needed or appropriate".
As a consumer of gruesome horror movies since a relatively young age, i can't say i was ever particularly shocked by Berserk (i started reading it as a kid, anyway) but i can still see how the material can be interpreted in various ways, with my own opinion on it evolving throughout the years.
So i don't think the source material is an unassailable piece of work, when it comes to depictions of violence or sexual violence (or several other, less controversial topics).
This was (or wanted to be), essentially, my thesis in the other thread.
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All that said, yes, even the manga never ventured to these lengths, in terms of crassness.
And it surely shows little respect or understanding of the source material which, however, itself wasn't exactly pristine in its reputation, is what i'm saying.
You already had to have a tolerance for certain material, to enjoy it.
E_Darkness
Member
When's the "Guts got raped as a child" DLC costume?
I mean this is tasteless and all but it isn't going to stop me buying the game.
I mean this is tasteless and all but it isn't going to stop me buying the game.
Tizoc
Member
Tsk u seem to have forgotten that there were manga chapters after the eclipse that lead to guts suiting up and go on his hunt
During those chapters casca had short hair and that shirt is from those chapters
It was in vol 13 iirc
Messofanego
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Trojita
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Eolz
Member
It's not the game cover, it was the promo art when they unveiled the game.
It pretty much shows all of what Berserk is about in one of the most well-known arcs to be fair :/
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
It's good art. That "[Working title]" makes me giggle, though. Not like they need that on there, lol.
NoKisum
Member
This is confusing. For the longest, ever since Koei Tecmo first mentioned they were open to doing spin-offs with the Musou engine, I've heard fans clamoring they do a Berserk game, knowing full well the content that is in the series. Now the dream is real, and it feels like we're on the verge of outright boycotting the game, and maybe the company as a whole.
What happened? Did Musou and/or Berserk fans suddenly change their minds somewhere in the middle of this timeline?
What happened? Did Musou and/or Berserk fans suddenly change their minds somewhere in the middle of this timeline?
It's a shitty DLC. That's the story. There is no boycott lol.
People have articulated why several times in the thread if you truly want to clear up your "confusion."
People understand the content in the series. The creators of this game do not seem to though given they keep attempting to make a horrific rape into titilation and the basis of preorder bonuses.
Nah, the fans will still buy the game. But the people who weren't going to buy it still won't. They will just complain a lot like they seem to be doing to pretty much everything. They'll just make it sound like they were interested in it at one point.
Prime crotch
Banned
Doesn't really surprise me, they cater to the otaku market as much as they can.
I don't know a thing about Berserk and when I watched the first trailer of Berserk Musou I seriously thought this was some kind of Bayonetta type story full of female fanservice and monster. And now I learn that apparently that trailer is recreating a scene in which a female character is raped.
This is disgusting. I'm not saying the rape should be omitted in the game, but if they didn't know how to treat this IP, they should have not worked on it. The fact that the post-rape character is some kind of DLC reward is just messed up too.
This is disgusting. I'm not saying the rape should be omitted in the game, but if they didn't know how to treat this IP, they should have not worked on it. The fact that the post-rape character is some kind of DLC reward is just messed up too.
Eolz
Member
They haven't shown anything yet about treating this IP badly, but to correct something before there's misinformation:
The character is not DLC, the costume is.
Well, from the comments I read in here, rape in Berserk is a pretty serious theme that has its consequences and it isn't treated at some sort of sexual fanservice moment. And that first trailer and the existence of this DLC costume isn't exactly what I would call giving this series a good treatment/interpretation.
There is a niche but dedicated fanbase who will support almost anything that turns out to be a Musou game. But there are people like me who are turned off immediately when they see a compelling license paired with this style of gameplay. Maybe KT feels the Berserk license is a stronger opportunity for them to entice people like me to give Musou a chance or to overlook its flaws. Part of making the most convincing argument for Berserk fans to play the game is to show how authentic their game will be. Once again not shying away from the scene in question is probably the most effective way to tell Berserk fans they aren't fucking around. That it will be 100% Berserk and not a watered down experience. It almost worked on me.
For better or for worse, this is what Berserk is. People should rail against the source material rather than accuse KT of unfairly leveraging a rape scene by trying to remain as faithful to the source as possible.
OniBarubary
Banned
What a disgusting and poorly done idea.
Eolz
Member
This is correct (the Berserk brand is here due to the events linked to the rape), and I agree that this costume is tasteless, but the CGI teaser also made sense if you've read Berserk.
For any fan, I really doubt it was a sexy moment to see this.
It would be a worse treatment of the IP to completely skip over the rape part. Anyway, it's a bit too early to say about what is well and not well treated since we still don't know much.
Same for the DLC that hasn't been advertised yet, it's a bit soon. If we get broken Griffith, raped Guts and other hard stuff like this, I'm not sure if that would be better or worse depending here on all those different opinions.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe use the source material to form an opinion on the source material and not "comments [you] read in here"?
There's still ratings, and they are harsher in Japan, so don't expect them to go 100% Berserk. Afaik, the western version will probably be the most violent one, like other Musous.
Same with sex really, for all the fanservice Japan devs put they really can't even show a nipple.
Shouldn't the marketing for a Beraerk game be any action scene the series has had, instead of a really gross moment?
Shouldn't it be of Guts killing 100 dudes, or fighting Zodd or Griffith?
Like imagine if post year of torture Griffith was a DLC skin and the trailer was of him looking at his weak ass flayed limbs.
Shouldn't it be of Guts killing 100 dudes, or fighting Zodd or Griffith?
Like imagine if post year of torture Griffith was a DLC skin and the trailer was of him looking at his weak ass flayed limbs.